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Subject: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:46:30 GMT

As if AIDS weren't enough! I charge the government (and all associated
minions) for using biological warfare on homosexuals, starting with
HIV, and now this new, highly-contagious (skin-contact) strain of
flesh-eating virus...or MRSA meaning "methicillin-resistant
Staphylococcus aureus". 

This is nothing less than anti-gay biological warfare, and the use of
homosexuals as a pool of human Guinea pigs.

Check out the S.F. Chronicle's "gay flesh eating" map (which appeared
on their front page, January 15):

http://tinyurl.com/2xpgox

The 94114 zip code (the Castro) is bright red...like a bull's eye.
It's a blatant attack, both psychological and biological to terrorize
and decimate our gay ranks. And they're not too covert about it. What
does this map really suggest? "Gays are code red, same as Islamic
terrorists!"

Can you imagine restaurants, coffeehouses, shops and bars shutting
down, 'cause tourists (and even SF denizens) fear exposure? And
heteros shunning any physical proximity towards gays (forget about
shaking hands)...and gays afraid of each other! See the homophobes
strike back: our very own Kristallnacht. Shops all around the Castro
boarded up, windows smashed, fires lit! Why stop with Gay Mecca's
epicenter? Every queer-centric urban community will suffer extreme
hostility. Boston, Los Angeles, Chicago, D.C., Seattle, Atlanta,
Miami, Philadelphia, et cetera. (Why stop with the United States? No
reason. There goes Amsterdam, Sydney, Guadalajara, Toronto, London,
Cape Town, Paris, Hong Kong, et al. Good thing we're not an
inter-galactic civilization at this juncture!)

Just imagine what the radio shock jocks such as Michael Savage and
Rush Limbaugh will have to say about this! And what about the churches
this Sunday: what hateful poison will they spew from the pulpit, all
across our sorry nation! (Let's not forget the Mosques, no friend
they!) Believe you me, I'll be listening to the radio, scouring the
newspapers and online reports to bring the pieces together into one
Ugly Big Picture! (Before I'm rounded up myself by Neocon Brown Shirts
or, more optimistically, find hidden sanctuary.)

Outspoken queer activists will be very much a target of social
scapegoating, and silenced in one way or another. (Possibly arrested
and tried for treason, unless we can somehow access a sort of Gay
Underground Railroad!) Censorship of all things gay! Verboten to wear
a pink triangle, and anything else deemed homosexual. (There go the
lavender handbags, gentlemen!) Males will fear walking the streets
without a female on their arm. (Poor ladies, how we guys use you, both
straight and gay!)

I don't think I'm being alarmist at all, but this STINKS of an
outright attack upon our community, via media/gov't/medical
manipulation.

Gays THIRTEEN times more likely to catch this virus? A suspicious
number indeed...like they're laughing in our faces, believing there's
nothing we can do about it. Why not twelve or eight or four or fifteen
times as likely? May as well claim we're 666 times as likely! It's
like: they want to be blatant but not that blatant. No, not quite yet,
but once society starts rounding up queers for isolation, Then all
bets will be off, beyond blatant...it will be outright persecution!

Can you say "holocaust?" We gays will very soon be regarded as
dangerous vessels of fatal disease, thus isolated in ghetto-type
concentration camps. San Francisco, Gay Mecca, the epicenter? Don't
they really mean "Bull's eye"? What This Cult is doing, is playing
into majority belief that gays are intrinsically filthy, and it's time
to put the kibosh on our brazen dare to demand equal rights.

Just like when it seemed full steam ahead for our rights in the early
70's, a mysterious virus (and consequent resurgence of homophobic
vitriol) blocked our movement in a halting screech. Now, some 25 years
later (of much struggling and grief borne, I might add) we've won some
gay marriage/partnership rights in various states, and other political
inroads and...whaddya know...ANOTHER even MORE virulent and contagious
virus crashes the party!

AND Al-Qaeda has officially declared a jihad on all gay politicos,
starting with the gay Mayor of Paris.

These are NOT coincidences, Queer Reader. This is a trans-national
sabotage of gays by the global power elite. Holocaust II is on! I'm
just one of the first to see the big picture. I've always been ahead
of the times, labeled "paranoid" by elite types in order to obfuscate
my insightful conclusions, and those of other concerned gay activists
(albeit a handful).

I am full aware that contemporary governments and cults employ
biological weapons in their arsenal of terror. (Gee, isn't that how we
founded our nation, with small-pox blankets gifted to the natives? The
great Amerikan tradition lives on!) And when pushed against the wall
(as homosexuals seem thus threatened), just how do you think some of
us will react, out of desperate crisis?

Why, we'll retaliate. Turning the same biological weapons used upon us
(HIV and MRSA) by our enemies against our enemies. And just who is the
enemy? Anyone who professes the terror and death of non-heteros...duh!
Granted, many of our spineless queer brethren (and sistren) will
obligingly march to their doom...either to biological research centers
for experimentation, or (if already a bare husk of mortality thanks to
medical sabotage) to death camps.

But what about the brave handful of spirited queers who refuse to go
down without a fight? Do you really think some of us will not
retaliate with biological force? Of course, there's always the
ubiquitous gun. But firearms will not invite seduction of our enemies,
where we can get really close to them and infect them with the very
same microbes they gleefully injected into us!

In the wee hours while the enemy is sound asleep and murmuring
contented snorts (after giving him the best fuck in his life), we'll
quietly slip out of bed, put on our latex gloves, and tenderly
administer the invisible agent (in dessicated form, most likely) to
his exposed, livid flesh. Then silently slip away, like the proverbial
thief in the night.

Hearken! I am neither professing such a horrid form of counterattack,
nor intend to carry it out myself. For we'd then be no better than our
enemies, correct? (I could be wrong here, just playing Angel's
Advocate. After all, it was a noble thing for the Allied Resistance to
blow up Nazi trains and their centers of power, don't you agree?) But
I am being honest here, knowing the nature of, er, human nature. For
it is always the case (as history proves time and time again) that a
handful of a severely threatened minority will respond with violent
and terrorist strategies, to their perceived oppressor. For they have
nothing to lose; death is a mere trifle at that point (no more
nuisance than a pimple on one's butt).

Sinqueerly yours,

Zeke Krahlin


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "Ares, God of War" 
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:25:43 -0500

On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:46:30 GMT, chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com
(Chief Thracian) wrote:

>As if AIDS weren't enough! I charge the government (and all associated
>minions) for using biological warfare on homosexuals, starting with
>HIV, and now this new, highly-contagious (skin-contact) strain of
>flesh-eating virus...or MRSA meaning "methicillin-resistant
>Staphylococcus aureus". 
Except for one flaw.....aids affects heterosexuals too.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:49:09 GMT

On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:25:43 -0500, "Ares, God of War"  wrote:

>Except for one flaw.....aids affects heterosexuals too.

But NOT with the extreme STIGMATIZATION that gays suffer. Hetero AIDS
victims are regarded "innocent" victims, and gays are blamed for
spreading it. Same thing now going on with this new MRSA virus.

It's all social engineering: scapegoating gays to terrorize people. In
hopes starting Holocaust 2...only homosexuals are the main target this
time around.

Got any more "intelligent" observations to make, o God of Wart? 


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:33:22 -0600

chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :

> But NOT with the extreme STIGMATIZATION that gays suffer. Hetero AIDS
> victims are regarded "innocent" victims

No they're not.  They're usually assumed to be drug addicts, or at least 
promiscuous.  Neither of which need necessarily be the case.  The disease 
has an associated stigma amongst the ignorant - the only difference with 
homosexual sufferers is that homosexuality *also* has an associated 
stigma amongst certain elements of society, and these stigma tend to be 
cumulative, and that's why you have the perception you have with regard 
to AIDS.  Now, with regard to MRSA:


> Same thing now going on with this new MRSA virus.

Firstly, MRSA is a bacterium, not a virus.  It might seem a trivial 
distinction to you, but it really isn't.  The resistance of MRSA to 
antibiotics - medicines designed to combat bacterial infections - is the 
reason it's becoming such a problem.

Hospitals here in Britain are being pretty regularly whipped by the media 
for their attempts to combat MRSA.  Not once - not ONCE - have I heard 
anyone, media or not, suggest that the spread of MRSA is anything at all 
to do with sexuality.

 
> It's all social engineering: scapegoating gays to terrorize people.

As far as I can see, the only person attempting to scapegoat gays in 
connection with MRSA is you.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:11:21 GMT

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:33:22 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>Not once - not ONCE - have I heard 
>anyone, media or not, suggest that the spread of MRSA is anything at all 
>to do with sexuality.

Bollocks. I just REFERENCED a news source that is precisely
stigmatizing gay people for spreading MSRS: The SF Chronicle, and a
USCF medical research team.

There are also OODLES of non-religious news reports stigmatizing gays
in like manner.

>As far as I can see, the only person attempting to scapegoat gays in 
>connection with MRSA is you.

Liar. Homophobe.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "Noon-Air" 
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:23:05 -0600


"Seamus"  wrote in message 
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> On Jan 20, 2:11 pm, chief_thracia...@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
> wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:33:22 -0600, Midwinter
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >Not once - not ONCE - have I heard
>> >anyone, media or not, suggest that the spread of MRSA is anything at all
>> >to do with sexuality.
>>
>> Bollocks. I just REFERENCED a news source that is precisely
>> stigmatizing gay people for spreading MSRS: The SF Chronicle, and a
>> USCF medical research team.
>
> Actually, Midwinter is spot-on.
>
>> There are also OODLES of non-religious news reports stigmatizing gays
>> in like manner.
>
> So? Anyone with a brain will ignore these reports.
>
>> >As far as I can see, the only person attempting to scapegoat gays in
>> >connection with MRSA is you.
>>
>> Liar. Homophobe.
>
> You're a staplehead. Get the fuck over yourself.

Maybe you guys should get a room??



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:37:39 GMT

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:23:05 -0600, "Noon-Air" 
wrote:

>Maybe you guys should get a room??

Seamus and Midwinter.  :D


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:53:04 -0600

chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :

> Seamus and Midwinter.  :D

I'm sure he's lovely - but he's not my type.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:42:36 GMT

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:53:04 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>I'm sure he's lovely - but he's not my type.

Which is...under a rock.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:04:05 -0600

chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :

>>Not once - not ONCE - have I heard 
>>anyone, media or not, suggest that the spread of MRSA is anything at
>>all to do with sexuality.
> 
> Bollocks. I just REFERENCED a news source that is precisely
> stigmatizing gay people for spreading MSRS: The SF Chronicle, and a
> USCF medical research team.

That doesn't make what I said 'bollocks'.  Pay attention: *I* have never
heard anyone suggest that the spread of MRSA is anything at all to do
with sexuality. 

Well, anyone until you, that is.


Now, let's actually read that source, shall we?  See what it says?

"A new variety of staph bacteria ... is spreading among gay men in San
Francisco" 

Is this an attack on gay men, or is it a report stating a fact?  You
obviously *want* it to be an attack on gay men so you can do ostentious
indignation.  But to do that, you'll have to find a way to disprove, or
at least cast serious doubt on, the statement.  If the statement is
factual, then you will have to work very hard indeed in order to turn it
into anti-gay propaganda.  Bacteria don't care whether we're gay or
straight, as a rule: if they can find a way in, they'll get in. 


"The culprit is a form of MRSA ... circulating outside medical settings,
afflicting anyone from injection-drug users to elementary school
students." 

So quite clear, then, that it affects a wide range of people.  Far from
the implication you've made that the article is targeting gay men. 


"The study estimated that 200 cases of this highly drug-resistant
variant are turning up in San Francisco each year, mostly among gay
men." 

Here we've got the statement that gets closest to the claims you made -
and it's still not terribly convincing: again, you need to provide some
substantial reason (discounting your hypersensitivity) to believe that
they are false or misrepresented. 


"Chambers stressed that some people, no matter how fastidious, could be
more prone than others to staph infections. They could have unknown
genetic traits or a history of antibiotic use that raises the risk." 

Again, we have a statement with regard to the risk factors that makes it
clear that *anyone* could potentially be at risk. 

 
> There are also OODLES of non-religious news reports stigmatizing gays
> in like manner.

Oh, oodles, no doubt.  But what does religion have to do with anything? 
I don't think I mentioned it, did I?  Is this a religious issue for you,
then? 

 
>>As far as I can see, the only person attempting to scapegoat gays in 
>>connection with MRSA is you.
> 
> Liar. Homophobe.

Sorry - you can offer all the invisible new clothes you like, but the
fact remains that you're the first person I've ever seen make an
association between MRSA and sexuality.  Even the article you've cited
doesn't make any claims that gay men are to blame, or are the sole hosts
of this infection.  All it says is that certain activities common
amongst gay men can increase the risk of infection. 

There is a choice to be made: if it is the case that a certain type of
activity increases the risk of infection, should the medical services
withhold that information for fear that *you* might choose to be
offended by it?  Or should the information be released and the public
allowed to make informed decisions and take the relevant precautions to
reduce their risk of infection?  Should your hair-trigger sensibilities
take precedence over the possible benefits of accurate health
information? 

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "Noon-Air" 
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:27:32 -0600


"Jack Slutmuffin"  wrote in message 
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On Jan 20, 8:04 pm, Midwinter  wrote:
> chief_thracia...@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :
>
> >>Not once - not ONCE - have I heard
> >>anyone, media or not, suggest that the spread of MRSA is anything at
> >>all to do with sexuality.
>
> > Bollocks. I just REFERENCED a news source that is precisely
> > stigmatizing gay people for spreading MSRS: The SF Chronicle, and a
> > USCF medical research team.
>
> That doesn't make what I said 'bollocks'. Pay attention: *I* have never
> heard anyone suggest that the spread of MRSA is anything at all to do
> with sexuality.
>
> Well, anyone until you, that is.
>
> Now, let's actually read that source, shall we? See what it says?
>
> "A new variety of staph bacteria ... is spreading among gay men in San
> Francisco"
>
> Is this an attack on gay men, or is it a report stating a fact? You
> obviously *want* it to be an attack on gay men so you can do ostentious
> indignation. But to do that, you'll have to find a way to disprove, or
> at least cast serious doubt on, the statement. If the statement is
> factual, then you will have to work very hard indeed in order to turn it
> into anti-gay propaganda. Bacteria don't care whether we're gay or
> straight, as a rule: if they can find a way in, they'll get in.
>
> "The culprit is a form of MRSA ... circulating outside medical settings,
> afflicting anyone from injection-drug users to elementary school
> students."
>
> So quite clear, then, that it affects a wide range of people. Far from
> the implication you've made that the article is targeting gay men.
>
> "The study estimated that 200 cases of this highly drug-resistant
> variant are turning up in San Francisco each year, mostly among gay
> men."
>
> Here we've got the statement that gets closest to the claims you made -
> and it's still not terribly convincing: again, you need to provide some
> substantial reason (discounting your hypersensitivity) to believe that
> they are false or misrepresented.
>
> "Chambers stressed that some people, no matter how fastidious, could be
> more prone than others to staph infections. They could have unknown
> genetic traits or a history of antibiotic use that raises the risk."
>
> Again, we have a statement with regard to the risk factors that makes it
> clear that *anyone* could potentially be at risk.
>
> > There are also OODLES of non-religious news reports stigmatizing gays
> > in like manner.
>
> Oh, oodles, no doubt. But what does religion have to do with anything?
> I don't think I mentioned it, did I? Is this a religious issue for you,
> then?
>
> >>As far as I can see, the only person attempting to scapegoat gays in
> >>connection with MRSA is you.
>
> > Liar. Homophobe.
>
> Sorry - you can offer all the invisible new clothes you like, but the
> fact remains that you're the first person I've ever seen make an
> association between MRSA and sexuality. Even the article you've cited
> doesn't make any claims that gay men are to blame, or are the sole hosts
> of this infection. All it says is that certain activities common
> amongst gay men can increase the risk of infection.
>
> There is a choice to be made: if it is the case that a certain type of
> activity increases the risk of infection, should the medical services
> withhold that information for fear that *you* might choose to be
> offended by it? Or should the information be released and the public
> allowed to make informed decisions and take the relevant precautions to
> reduce their risk of infection? Should your hair-trigger sensibilities
> take precedence over the possible benefits of accurate health
> information?

In the minds of many amerikans it doesn't matter whether or not
anybody implied it at all. Just hearing it under the terms of 'higher-
rate by this much' is enough to make a lot of really stupid people
think even more idiotic thoughts than they did a few moments before.
Can it be helped? Probably not, a wiser man than me once said that
most conspiracies are just accidents forcing more accidents until it's
such a mess no one could even believe such a monstrosity could be
caused by an accident. Never underestimate the ignorance of the
misinformed.

Never underestimate the power of stoopid people in large groups either.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:37:40 GMT

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:04:05 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>So quite clear, then, that it affects a wide range of people.  Far from
>the implication you've made that the article is targeting gay men. 

Nope, you are twisting the article's stigmatizing of gays. If you
don't get that from the article, then you are a goon and a deceiver.

I mean, really: a MAP of San Francisco showing The Castro all lit up
in bright red, as the EPICENTER of MRSA, then EQUATING that to gay
people. Intentionally SKEWED statistics to stigmatize gay people.

YOU know what you are doing: you are PURPOSELY thwarting my clear
explanation of the LIES stated in these MRSA articles.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:50:53 -0600

chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :

> ... you are a goon and a deceiver.

I suspect you decided *that* the moment you saw me disagreeing with you.

 
> I mean, really: a MAP of San Francisco showing The Castro all lit up
> in bright red, as the EPICENTER of MRSA, then EQUATING that to gay
> people. Intentionally SKEWED statistics to stigmatize gay people.

Intentionally skewed?  Well, like I said, you'll have to provide evidence 
of that - and your personal obsession with blaming everything on gay 
people doesn't count.


> YOU know what you are doing: you are PURPOSELY thwarting my clear
> explanation of the LIES stated in these MRSA articles.

Nope: what I'm doing is pointing out your hypersensitivity - your 
disproportionate reaction to an article that doesn't blame gay people for 
anything.  What the article says is that gay men may be more at risk due 
to the activity they engage in.  Now, that's valuable information for the 
gay community in the affected area.  What it certainly DOESN'T say is 
that gay men are to blame for it.  In fact, the article makes it quite 
clear that *anyone* could potentially fall victim to this infection.

But you didn't answer my question: should medical information be made 
available to the public so that they can consider it; or should it be 
suppressed if it offends you?

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:42:37 GMT

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:50:53 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>Intentionally skewed?  Well, like I said, you'll have to provide evidence 
>of that - and your personal obsession with blaming everything on gay 
>people doesn't count.

The EVIDENCE was provided in my followup article. Don't you know how
to read? It was two LINKS to two different gay papers out of San
Francisco, with opinions by other, well informed folks. Here:

http://www.sfbaytimes.com/?sec=article&article_id=7331

and here:

http://www.ebar.com/news/article.php?sec=news&article=2612

I suggest however, you RE-read my original post AND its update, only
this time SLOWLY, so you won't ask me the very questions that were
already ANSWERED in those two pieces. Just go here:

http://www.gay-bible.org/truetales/Larkin/FG_06-T.htm

>Nope: what I'm doing is pointing out your hypersensitivity - your 
>disproportionate reaction to an article that doesn't blame gay people for 
>anything.  What the article says is that gay men may be more at risk due 
>to the activity they engage in.

Nope, it says more than that. The DATA is SKEWED, based upon a very
SMALL number of  patients. I'm not the one being hypersensitive...it
is the Chronicle news reporter that is, AND the researchers...IOW:
homophobic. A bright red map of The Castro highlighting MRSA cases,
which number around FIVE for that entire area. 

>Now, that's valuable information for the 
>gay community in the affected area.  What it certainly DOESN'T say is 
>that gay men are to blame for it.  In fact, the article makes it quite 
>clear that *anyone* could potentially fall victim to this infection.

AFTER spewing disinformation about the results, and about how gays are
THIRTEEN TIMES more like to catch it...based on clearly and
intentionaly SKEWED data. (Thirteen? Ha! If you believe that choice of
number WASN'T a deliberate attempt to laugh in our gay faces, I have a
bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.)

>But you didn't answer my question: should medical information be made 
>available to the public so that they can consider it; or should it be 
>suppressed if it offends you?

Medical DISinformation should ALWAYS be suppressed. It's nothing more
than Nazi propaganda. You seem to know a thing or two about
disinformation...at least, how to keep it flowing.

I mean, c'mon, OTHERS in newsgroups DO agree with me, that something
fishy is going on, including one right here in this thread, who is
ALSO heterosexual (thus less likely to have any bias in FAVOR of gay
activists like myself): "1X2Willows".


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:12:22 -0600

chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :

> I suggest however, you RE-read my original post AND its update, only
> this time SLOWLY, so you won't ask me the very questions that were
> already ANSWERED in those two pieces. Just go here:

It's up to you whether you address the points I made or not.  You're not 
under oath or anything.

 
> Nope, it says more than that. The DATA is SKEWED, based upon a very
> SMALL number of  patients.

A small cross-section is inevitably going to risk providing inaccurate 
results.  'Skewed', possibly, if you like.  But there's a difference 
between that and deliberate misrepresentation, which is what you strongly 
implied.  Even then, your responsibility if you wish to challenge the item 
is to provide new data that exposes the inaccuracies of the original data.  
Have you done so?


> I'm not the one being hypersensitive...it
> is the Chronicle news reporter that is

It is you that's ranting here about a claim that appears to exist purely in 
your own imagination.


> IOW: homophobic.

The only one who's making a big fuss about how gay people are to blame for 
this new strain of an existing virus is you.  If that makes one 
homophobic...


> AFTER spewing disinformation about the results, and about how gays are
> THIRTEEN TIMES more like to catch it...based on clearly and
> intentionaly SKEWED data.

So you've said - but, as I say, I will have to reserve judgement until I 
see your more accurate data.


> (Thirteen? Ha! If you believe that choice of
> number WASN'T a deliberate attempt to laugh in our gay faces, I have a
> bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.)

What ARE you talking about?  What number?  Thirteen?  It's just the one 
that comes after twelve and before fourteen.  Do you think it has some 
greater meaning in this particular context?

 
> Medical DISinformation should ALWAYS be suppressed. It's nothing more
> than Nazi propaganda. You seem to know a thing or two about
> disinformation...at least, how to keep it flowing.

Ah - of course.  I'm not agreeing with you, therefore I'm a paid shill in 
the service of the conspiracy.  Right?  That's the standard tack.  Evidence 
you think supports your point of view is valid and true - evidence that 
contradicts your position is 'Nazi propaganda' and is discounted.

There's no point arguing with a conspiracy theorist - they lack the ability 
to reason.


> I mean, c'mon, OTHERS in newsgroups DO agree with me

No doubt.  Plenty on the newsgroups still insist that there is an 
artificial face on Mars, that the USA never landed on the Moon, that 9/11 
was an inside job by the US Government, and that Princess Diana was 
assassinated - in each case clinging to these beliefs despite ample 
evidence to the contrary.  And they will *continue* to hold these 
respective beliefs regardless of ANY information that might be offered to 
them.  Their worldview REQUIRES that they believe these things: it is a 
matter of faith for them as strong as any religion.


> who is
> ALSO heterosexual (thus less likely to have any bias in FAVOR of gay
> activists like myself): "1X2Willows".

I have no bias in favour of 'activists'.  Nor do I have any bias against, 
except when those activists have such an obvious chip on their shoulder, 
and such a determined lack of objectivity, as you appear to.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "1X2Willows" 
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:33:10 -0800

"Chief Thracian"  wrote
> [....]
> I mean, c'mon, OTHERS in newsgroups DO agree with me, that something
> fishy is going on, including one right here in this thread, who is
> ALSO heterosexual (thus less likely to have any bias in FAVOR of gay
> activists like myself): "1X2Willows".

So far, I am indeed of the opinion that the original article was
presented in a way so as to imply without explicitly saying so,
that homosexual men are responsible for the outbreak of a new
'bug' which has the potential to endanger society as a whole.

No doubt.
Dan 



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:37:41 GMT

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:51:24 -0800 (PST), Jack Slutmuffin
 wrote:

>In the minds of many amerikans it doesn't matter whether or not
>anybody implied it at all. Just hearing it under the terms of 'higher-
>rate by this much' is enough to make a lot of really stupid people
>think even more idiotic thoughts than they did a few moments before.
>Can it be helped? Probably not, a wiser man than me once said that
>most conspiracies are just accidents forcing more accidents until it's
>such a mess no one could even believe such a monstrosity could be
>caused by an accident. Never underestimate the ignorance of the
>misinformed.

Very well said, Jack...only let me add one more aspect to your astute
conclusion:

Those in power can MANIPULATE this tendency for accidents to snowball
into conspiracy, by tossing in their OWN snowballs at strategic
moments and places. There ARE real conspiracies that occur withOUT
accidental mishaps. But the power elite can TAKE ADVANTAGE of this
tendency for paranoia and gossip to spin out of control, in a society
composed MOSTLY of hysterical knuckleheads. MOST of whom are ALSO
extremely hateful against homosexuals. (And some homos are ALSO
knuckleheads, thus become TURNCOATS to their own cause for gay
liberation.)


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:37:38 GMT

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:30:31 -0800 (PST), Seamus
 wrote:

>You're a staplehead. Get the fuck over yourself.

I don't care WHAT anyone calls me. I speak the unadulterated TRUTH.
Get over YOUR homophobia. Any straight person (or bisexual) who
INSISTS on being the last word re. gay rights is a SABOTEUR.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:52:25 -0600

chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :

> I don't care WHAT anyone calls me. I speak the unadulterated TRUTH.
> Get over YOUR homophobia. Any straight person (or bisexual) who
> INSISTS on being the last word re. gay rights is a SABOTEUR.

And on what basis do you make ANY judgements about other posters' 
sexuality?  Could it be your preconceptions and prejudices?

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:02:25 -0700

"Midwinter"  wrote:
> (Chief Thracian) said :
>
> > I don't care WHAT anyone calls me. I speak the unadulterated TRUTH.
> > Get over YOUR homophobia. Any straight person (or bisexual) who
> > INSISTS on being the last word re. gay rights is a SABOTEUR.
>
> And on what basis do you make ANY judgements about other posters'
> sexuality?  Could it be your preconceptions and prejudices?

The OP is a militant for his cause; relying on his own knee-jerk reactions
while using the sweeping generalities of falicious premise to accuse others
of nonexistant knee-jerk reaction.  That's so uncommon on usenet - you're
shocked and aghast too, aren't ya?



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 04:13:41 -0600

"sarchasm"  said :

> That's so uncommon on usenet - you're
> shocked and aghast too, aren't ya?

Deeply.  My faith in humanity has been shaken to its very foundation.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:38:07 -0700

"Midwinter"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  said :
>
> > That's so uncommon on usenet - you're
> > shocked and aghast too, aren't ya?
>
> Deeply.  My faith in humanity has been shaken to its very foundation.

As it should be.  What's next, clubbing gay baby seals?



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:42:43 GMT

On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:38:07 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>As it should be.  What's next, clubbing gay baby seals?

You homophobes just can't stay away from thoughts of VIOLENCE, when
talking about gays, can you? Even in jest. (Which, come to think of
it, is the WORST.)


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:20:34 -0700

Oddly, most gays around here appear much brighter than you - are you sure
your're gay?

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> >As it should be.  What's next, clubbing gay baby seals?
>
> You homophobes just can't stay away from thoughts of VIOLENCE, when
> talking about gays, can you? Even in jest. (Which, come to think of
> it, is the WORST.)
>
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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:14:09 GMT

On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:20:34 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>Oddly, most gays around here appear much brighter than you - are you sure
>your're gay?

Are you sure you're hominid? You seem to SLITHER around.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:42:41 GMT

On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 04:13:41 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>Deeply.  My faith in humanity has been shaken to its very foundation.

You deserve a swift BOOT to your very foundation.




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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:42:40 GMT

On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:02:25 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>The OP is a militant for his cause; relying on his own knee-jerk reactions
>while using the sweeping generalities of falicious premise to accuse others
>of nonexistant knee-jerk reaction.

The ONLY fallacious premise going on here, is the notion that any gay
person who speaks in outrage is paranoid, not observing with a clear
vision.

You MIGHT consider that what YOU define as "knee-jerk" is my own
unique method of fighting fire with fire (when you consider the brutal
tactics employed by homophobes).

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:24:03 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> >The OP is a militant for his cause; relying on his own knee-jerk
reactions
> >while using the sweeping generalities of falicious premise to accuse
others
> >of nonexistant knee-jerk reaction.
>
> The ONLY fallacious premise going on here, is the notion that any gay
> person who speaks in outrage is paranoid, not observing with a clear
> vision.

 The only person throwing that 'paranoid' strawman out there is you,
knee-jerk.

>
> You MIGHT consider that what YOU define as "knee-jerk" is my own
> unique method of ...

... being a militant hetero-basher.  Yeah, you own words aren't even close
to being opaque, even without the emphasis.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:14:15 GMT

On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:24:03 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>... being a militant hetero-basher.  Yeah, you own words aren't even close
>to being opaque, even without the emphasis.

Your wit is dim,
Take it on the chin.
You surely ain't the FIRST breeder
Who lacks a sense of humor.
Then again, maybe your brain
Is burdened by a tumor
(Which in others is simply called "thought",
Something which to this thread,
YOU'VE never brought.)


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 06:52:03 -0600

chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :

> Your wit is dim,
> Take it on the chin.
> You surely ain't the FIRST breeder
> Who lacks a sense of humor.
> Then again, maybe your brain
> Is burdened by a tumor
> (Which in others is simply called "thought",
> Something which to this thread,
> YOU'VE never brought.)

Genius.  McGonagall is reborn.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 19:39:34 GMT

On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 06:52:03 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>Genius.  McGonagall is reborn.

: D

I once knew a teen called Nick
Who possessed an exCEEDingly big dick,
But when he dropped his pants
All I saw there were ants,
So I said: "No thanks, I'll just take a lick."




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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 19:59:47 GMT

On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 06:52:03 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>Genius.  McGonagall is reborn.

Thanks to you, I just joined McGonagall Online's gem-of-the-day
mailing list.

http://www.mcgonagall-online.org.uk/

(This doesn't let you off the hook regarding the GAY issue BTW, just
the TAY issue. Ah-choo-choo-choo!)



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:53:39 -0600

chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :

>>Genius.  McGonagall is reborn.
> 
> Thanks to you, I just joined McGonagall Online's gem-of-the-day
> mailing list.

Glad to hear it.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 06:51:14 -0600

chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :

> The ONLY fallacious premise going on here, is the notion that any gay
> person who speaks in outrage is paranoid, not observing with a clear
> vision.

No: anyone who takes massive personal offence at a single report that's at 
best ambiguous, then suggests some massive anti-gay conspiracy involving 
disinformation and "Nazi propaganda", and becomes abusive and accusatory to 
anyone who questions their conclusions is probably not observing with a 
clear vision.  The big problem is that such a supposed supporter of gay 
rights probably does more harm to the public perception of gay people than 
any number of 'bashers'.

Calm down a tad, demonstrate some rational objectivity, support your claims 
and conclusions, and I might start taking you a little more seriously.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:38:05 GMT

On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 06:51:14 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>The big problem is that such a supposed supporter of gay 
>rights probably does more harm to the public perception of gay people than 
>any number of 'bashers'.

False premise. Nice try though, albeit weak. The HATRED and DAMAGE
already existant by breeders could NEVER be trumped by even the most
OUTRAGEOUS accusations by ANY gay person, ANYWHERE in the world.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 13:49:39 -0700

"Midwinter"  wrote:
> chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :
>
> > The ONLY fallacious premise going on here, is the notion that any gay
> > person who speaks in outrage is paranoid, not observing with a clear
> > vision.
>
> No: anyone who takes massive personal offence at a single report that's at
> best ambiguous, then suggests some massive anti-gay conspiracy involving
> disinformation and "Nazi propaganda", and becomes abusive and accusatory
to
> anyone who questions their conclusions is probably not observing with a
> clear vision.  The big problem is that such a supposed supporter of gay
> rights probably does more harm to the public perception of gay people than
> any number of 'bashers'.

Well said.

>
> Calm down a tad, demonstrate some rational objectivity, support your
claims
> and conclusions, and I might start taking you a little more seriously.

'Might' being a key qualifier here.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:42:39 GMT

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:52:25 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>And on what basis do you make ANY judgements about other posters' 
>sexuality?  Could it be your preconceptions and prejudices?

I can smell breeder meat a mile away.

Comes with the gaydar...a survival mechanism that evolves out of a
society which terrorizes homosexuals as a built-in norm. One becomes
more psychically attuned, when survival is at stake.

I also conclude that also explains the ultimate succees of our allied
forces against the Nazis. We developed the psychic edge, so to speak.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:45:55 -0700

"Seamus"  wrote:
> (Chief Thracian) wrote:
> > Seamus wrote:

> > >You're a staplehead. Get the fuck over yourself.
> >
> > I don't care WHAT anyone calls me.
>
> Your actions and knee-jerk accusations say otherwise.
>
> > I speak the unadulterated TRUTH.
>
> Insofar as your deluded, vindicative mind sees it.
>
> > Get over YOUR homophobia. Any straight person (or bisexual) who
> > INSISTS on being the last word re. gay rights is a SABOTEUR.
>
> Personally, I have no problem with gay rights.
>
> "You hate me because I'm [$minority]! You're a [$bias]-ist!" "No. I'm
> annoyed with you because you're being an asshole. The fact that you
> happen to be [$minority] has no bearing on that whatsoever."

Which just goes to show that being an asshole knows no preference-boundries.
Congrats to CT for demonstrating such equality with other
militant-fundies-on-a mission-lacking-basic-logic.  You've shown most
adaquately that gays can be as stupid as straights.  Rock on, man! (or
whatever).



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:42:43 GMT

On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:45:55 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>Which just goes to show that being an asshole knows no preference-boundries.
>Congrats to CT for demonstrating such equality with other
>militant-fundies-on-a mission-lacking-basic-logic.  You've shown most
>adaquately that gays can be as stupid as straights.  Rock on, man! (or
>whatever).

Typical, bratty homophobe. Can't even do a reasonable job to sound
convincing.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:26:11 -0700

My post stands corrected;  you are even dumber than the originally low
estimate.

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> >Which just goes to show that being an asshole knows no
preference-boundries.
> >Congrats to CT for demonstrating such equality with other
> >militant-fundies-on-a mission-lacking-basic-logic.  You've shown most
> >adaquately that gays can be as stupid as straights.  Rock on, man! (or
> >whatever).
>
> Typical, bratty homophobe. Can't even do a reasonable job to sound
> convincing.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:14:22 GMT

On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:26:11 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>My post stands corrected;  you are even dumber than the originally low
>estimate.

You're so foul, even the rock you crawled under rejects you, breeder
pervert!

NATURALLY, you refuse to acknowledge my truth in reporting, along with
all the reliable BACKUP I've provided. You're a SORE loser. Typical
hetero scum!



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 13:51:05 -0700

Flattery will get you no where, not interested.

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> >My post stands corrected;  you are even dumber than the originally low
> >estimate.
>
> You're so foul, even the rock you crawled under rejects you, breeder
> pervert!
>
> NATURALLY, you refuse to acknowledge my truth in reporting, along with
> all the reliable BACKUP I've provided. You're a SORE loser. Typical
> hetero scum!




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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:25:52 GMT

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:33:22 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

FYI Midwhiner: I see you have your messages set to self-erase on
January 27. However, I've DOWNLOADED the entire thread already, and am
KEEPING all contents for the record. AND for public viewing...er, I
mean "shaming".

You can run, but you can't hide!


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 06:34:00 -0600

chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :

> Midwhiner

It's not nearly as clever as you think, Chief.  In fact, it makes quite the 
opposite statement: "I've not really got an argument to make, so I'll try 
desperate puns on people's names and hope I look a bit smarter than I 
feel".


> I see you have your messages set to self-erase on
> January 27.

Not as such.  I just like to do my insignificant little part to fuck about 
with Google.  Pardon my Klatchian.


> However, I've DOWNLOADED the entire thread already, and am
> KEEPING all contents for the record. AND for public viewing...er, I
> mean "shaming".

Go for it.  I stand by everything I've said.  And I'm still waiting for 
your data.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:39:13 GMT

On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 06:34:00 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>Go for it.  I stand by everything I've said.  And I'm still waiting for 
>your data.

Already posted several days ago. In this thread. If you're too feeble
minded to track it down, that's YOUR problem.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 13:53:04 -0700

"Seamus"  wrote:
 chief_thracia...@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) wrote:

> > >Go for it.  I stand by everything I've said.  And I'm still waiting for
> > >your data.
> >
> > Already posted several days ago. In this thread. If you're too feeble
> > minded to track it down, that's YOUR problem.
>
> Oh, she meant RELEVANT data. Sorry about that.

That'll be presented at the next anti-anti-gay cult bash next Wednesday.
Don't be late.  Bring chips.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 05:47:46 GMT

On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 13:53:04 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>That'll be presented at the next anti-anti-gay cult bash next Wednesday.
>Don't be late.  Bring chips.

Have you EVER contributed any sort of POSITIVE support of gay people?
Have you EVER confronted someone for calling another "faggot" in
public, told him that was plain WRONG?

Judging by your flippant participation in this thread--treating gay
bashing as if it were a silly joke--I'd say no, you never have.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 04:19:07 -0600

chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :

> Judging by your flippant participation in this thread--treating gay
> bashing as if it were a silly joke--I'd say no, you never have.

Prejudice based on sexuality ("gay-bashing" only covers a fraction of the 
problem) is a serious matter.

The joke here is in seeing someone so obviously consumed with hatred as you 
are making himself out to be a campaigner for respect and rights.  In fact, 
you have consistently shown yourself absolutely guilty of such prejudice 
throughout this thread.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "Noon-Air" 
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 07:40:11 -0600


"Midwinter"  wrote in message 
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> chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :
>
>> Judging by your flippant participation in this thread--treating gay
>> bashing as if it were a silly joke--I'd say no, you never have.
>
> Prejudice based on sexuality ("gay-bashing" only covers a fraction of the
> problem) is a serious matter.
>
> The joke here is in seeing someone so obviously consumed with hatred as 
> you
> are making himself out to be a campaigner for respect and rights.  In 
> fact,
> you have consistently shown yourself absolutely guilty of such prejudice
> throughout this thread.

It sounds to me like you have some serious issues about being gay. Maybe you 
should seek some professional help. 



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:18:50 GMT

On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 07:40:11 -0600, "Noon-Air" 
wrote:

>It sounds to me like you have some serious issues about being gay. Maybe you 
>should seek some professional help. 

Hey, go fuck yourself! I DO have serious issues about living in a
society which MAINTAINS its violent anti-gay prejudice, while
pretending to be oh-so-progressive.

You (and other idiots in this thread) blithely IGNORE the several
solid messages of support I've received for my bold stand.

Again: go fuck yourself. It's the ONLY pleasure you'll ever know.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:36:10 -0600

chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :

>>It sounds to me like you have some serious issues about being gay.
>>Maybe you should seek some professional help. 
> 
> Hey, go fuck yourself! I DO have serious issues about living in a
> society which MAINTAINS its violent anti-gay prejudice, while
> pretending to be oh-so-progressive.
> 
> You (and other idiots in this thread) blithely IGNORE the several
> solid messages of support I've received for my bold stand.
> 
> Again: go fuck yourself. It's the ONLY pleasure you'll ever know.

You see?  A furious, hair-trigger response, without even taking the trouble 
to find out whether Noon-Air was talking to you or to me.  It could have 
been either, of course - but the fact that you rushed to an angry 
retaliation first just illustrates the point I've made: you're no advert 
for tolerance.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "Noon-Air" 
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:57:35 -0600


"Midwinter"  wrote in message 
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> chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :
>
>>>It sounds to me like you have some serious issues about being gay.
>>>Maybe you should seek some professional help.
>>
>> Hey, go fuck yourself! I DO have serious issues about living in a
>> society which MAINTAINS its violent anti-gay prejudice, while
>> pretending to be oh-so-progressive.
>>
>> You (and other idiots in this thread) blithely IGNORE the several
>> solid messages of support I've received for my bold stand.
>>
>> Again: go fuck yourself. It's the ONLY pleasure you'll ever know.
>
> You see?  A furious, hair-trigger response, without even taking the 
> trouble
> to find out whether Noon-Air was talking to you or to me.  It could have
> been either, of course - but the fact that you rushed to an angry
> retaliation first just illustrates the point I've made: you're no advert
> for tolerance.

Having been raised in the SF Bay Area in the late 60s and early 70s, I have 
a much more open mind than most. I have found that when somebody launches 
into a tirade about something, its because of their own insecurities. I 
could be wrong(its been known to happen), but I am generally not too far off 
the mark.




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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:24:48 -0600

"Noon-Air"  said :

> Having been raised in the SF Bay Area in the late 60s and early 70s, I
> have a much more open mind than most. I have found that when somebody
> launches into a tirade about something, its because of their own
> insecurities. I could be wrong(its been known to happen), but I am
> generally not too far off the mark.

It would still be presumptuous of me to make assumptions as to which of us 
you're talking about.  :o)

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "Noon-Air" 
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:52:03 -0600


"Midwinter"  wrote in message 
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> "Noon-Air"  said :
>
>> Having been raised in the SF Bay Area in the late 60s and early 70s, I
>> have a much more open mind than most. I have found that when somebody
>> launches into a tirade about something, its because of their own
>> insecurities. I could be wrong(its been known to happen), but I am
>> generally not too far off the mark.
>
> It would still be presumptuous of me to make assumptions as to which of us
> you're talking about.  :o)

I try not to "ass-u-me" anything, and can only speak of what I observe. I 
don't presume, I don't throw rocks... tho I might stir the pot a little, 
then smoke the pot :-)

I mearly observed that a couple of folks seemed to have issues and pointed 
it out.

I hope the issues can be sorted out.

Personally, it doesn't matter what sex I am with, as I like them all. No 
that doesn't make me gay, or straight, it just makes me happy. :-)



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:46:39 GMT

On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:57:35 -0600, "Noon-Air" 
wrote:

>Having been raised in the SF Bay Area in the late 60s and early 70s, I have 
>a much more open mind than most. I have found that when somebody launches 
>into a tirade about something, its because of their own insecurities. I 
>could be wrong(its been known to happen), but I am generally not too far off 
>the mark.

WRONG in this case. San Francisco is a WICKED and MEAN-SPIRITED city
rife with buffoons, drug dealers, and charlatans. I've lived here
since 1973. "Liberal" SF is nothing more than a BIG FAT JOKE.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:06:45 -0600

chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :

> WRONG in this case. San Francisco is a WICKED and MEAN-SPIRITED city
> rife with buffoons, drug dealers, and charlatans. I've lived here
> since 1973. "Liberal" SF is nothing more than a BIG FAT JOKE.

Yep; you're really letting rip with your balanced and rational viewpoint 
now, aren't you?

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 03:13:19 -0700

"Midwinter"  wrote:
> (Chief Thracian) said :
>
> > WRONG in this case. San Francisco is a WICKED and MEAN-SPIRITED city
> > rife with buffoons, drug dealers, and charlatans. I've lived here
> > since 1973. "Liberal" SF is nothing more than a BIG FAT JOKE.
>
> Yep; you're really letting rip with your balanced and rational viewpoint
> now, aren't you?

That one never seems to run out of feet to shoot himself in, does he?



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "Noon-Air" 
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 08:30:58 -0600


"Chief Thracian"  wrote in message 
news:47a00efd.11991035@amsterdam.newsgroups-download.com...
> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:57:35 -0600, "Noon-Air" 
> wrote:
>
>>Having been raised in the SF Bay Area in the late 60s and early 70s, I 
>>have
>>a much more open mind than most. I have found that when somebody launches
>>into a tirade about something, its because of their own insecurities. I
>>could be wrong(its been known to happen), but I am generally not too far 
>>off
>>the mark.
>
> WRONG in this case. San Francisco is a WICKED and MEAN-SPIRITED city
> rife with buffoons, drug dealers, and charlatans. I've lived here
> since 1973. "Liberal" SF is nothing more than a BIG FAT JOKE.

There is a reason why I haven't lived in California in 30 years. If you 
don't like it where you are, you don't have to live there. In the mean time, 
Please seek help so you can remove yourself from membership in the afore 
mentioned groups of people.

In other words, Id you don't like it there, MOVE. in the mean time, take a 
chill pill dude, all that anger and emotion is gonna give you a heart attack 
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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:08:24 GMT

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 08:30:58 -0600, "Noon-Air" 
wrote:

>There is a reason why I haven't lived in California in 30 years. If you 
>don't like it where you are, you don't have to live there. In the mean time, 

Nonsense. I live on disability income...cannot AFFORD to move.
Besides, San Francisco is TYPICAL of Amerikan cities...corrupt and
unfriendly.

Furthermore: being GAY in a homophobic society strictly LIMITS where
one can live w/minimal harassment and threats.

>Please seek help so you can remove yourself from membership in the afore 
>mentioned groups of people.

That is NOT possible. Anywayz, I'm all too GLAD to be a thorn in their
side...and eventually, I will succeed in driving THEM away, and
attracting DECENT people to my neighborhood and city.

>in the mean time, take a 
>chill pill dude, all that anger and emotion is gonna give you a heart attack 
>or stroke. 

Again, nonsense. It is when you BOTTLE UP your rage, you put your
health in danger. Besides, you EXAGGERATE my expressions of outrage.
I'm very HAPPY to undestand so clearly, the  nature of homophobia, and
actually do something about it.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 04:02:37 -0600

chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :

> Besides, San Francisco is TYPICAL of Amerikan cities...corrupt and
> unfriendly. 

It's just a wild guess, but I bet you find a lot of people are unfriendly 
towards you, "Chief", wherever you go.  Would that be fairly near the 
mark?  And it'd hardly be surprising: if you're as indiscriminately 
hostile to everyone you meet in the real world as you are online, it's 
hardly surprising they're unfriendly back.


> Furthermore: being GAY in a homophobic society strictly LIMITS where
> one can live w/minimal harassment and threats.

Odd, then, that so many gay people seem to manage just fine, in the US 
and the UK.  Oh, I won't say that there aren't problems, or that gay 
people are always treated with the civility that's due - but in general, 
the world's a *lot* more tolerant towards gay people than it was.  In 
fact, in many areas, it's scarcely cause for comment these days.

Unless, of course, you think it might be to do with the fact that you're 
so incredibly angry about being gay?  (Or GAY, if you prefer?)

 
> That is NOT possible. Anywayz, I'm all too GLAD to be a thorn in their
> side...and eventually, I will succeed in driving THEM away, and
> attracting DECENT people to my neighborhood and city.

No you won't.  You might well drive *yourself* away - or at least make 
yourself into a recluse (if you're not already).  But if you treat the 
world outside your door with the attitude you show here, I doubt you'll 
find it a very friendly place.

 
> Again, nonsense. It is when you BOTTLE UP your rage, you put your
> health in danger.

Actually, neither is all that healthy.  Bottling intense emotions up can 
be harmful.  Expressing them every now and then, as the need arises, 
that's healthy - provided the mode of release is positive.  But it 
doesn't seem to be an occasional thing with you, and your mode of release 
is not at all positive.  If you get used to living in a state of rage 
then, as Noon-Air said, it may well pose a long-term threat to your 
health.  And if you direct that rage at other people, blaming them for 
all the wrongs in your world simply because they don't agree with 
something you've said, then that's definitely unhealthy.


> Besides, you EXAGGERATE my expressions of outrage.
> I'm very HAPPY to undestand so clearly, the  nature of homophobia, and
> actually do something about it.

But you *don't* understand, and that's the sad irony.  You rage and you 
shout and you accuse - but you haven't once stopped to ask a single 
poster what their feelings are about gay people.  You haven't sought any 
information at all.  You've leapt to conclusions from a standing start, 
and from there you've let rip with all your bile against this imagined 
conspiracy of yours.  What you're *doing* about 'homophobia' is 
encouraging it.  Could it be that that's your true intention?  I don't 
know.  But what you certainly aren't doing is combatting it.  You're 
angry, intolerant, and closed-minded, and you're claiming to represent 
gay people.  The truth is that gay people don't benefit from being 
represented by someone with attitudes like yours: quite the reverse, in 
fact.

As to exaggeration, your 'outrage' clearly needs none.  People are 
responding to what you've said and how you've said it.  If you find their 
representation of what you've said unpleasant, then you should perhaps 
reflect on your own posts.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:42:35 GMT

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 04:02:37 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>As to exaggeration, your 'outrage' clearly needs none.  People are 
>responding to what you've said and how you've said it.  If you find their 
>representation of what you've said unpleasant, then you should perhaps 
>reflect on your own posts.

Of course, you ignore COMPLETELY the excellent responses supporting my
viewpoint. The REST of what you've type, is simply a distraction from
a more important subject. Which I care not to be sucked into. Just
remember this:

A man without character doesn't have many enemies.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:28:51 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> Midwinter  wrote:
>
> >As to exaggeration, your 'outrage' clearly needs none.  People are
> >responding to what you've said and how you've said it.  If you find their
> >representation of what you've said unpleasant, then you should perhaps
> >reflect on your own posts.
>
> Of course, you ignore COMPLETELY the excellent responses supporting my
> viewpoint. The REST of what you've type, is simply a distraction from
> a more important subject.

What utter tripe.

> Which I care not to be sucked into.

What utter bullshit.

> Just remember this:
> A man without character doesn't have many enemies.

You do have character; it's cartoonish.




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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:06:54 GMT

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 04:02:37 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>It's just a wild guess, but I bet you find a lot of people are unfriendly 
>towards you, "Chief", wherever you go.

No. Only when they're homophobic. THEN the fur flies!

> Would that be fairly near the mark?

Not at all. Besides which, MANY good people suffer prejudice and
rejection for a variety of reasons. YOU simplify with a formulaic
theory that is totally erroneous.

>And it'd hardly be surprising: if you're as indiscriminately 
>hostile to everyone you meet in the real world as you are online, it's 
>hardly surprising they're unfriendly back.

Everyone? That is NOT true either online OR off. You INTENTIONALLY
ignore (as I've stated twice previously) the FRIENDLY and SUPPORTIVE
comments I've received in this thread.

Why don't you bother to view readers' comments on my web log, as well
as my web site's guestbook? LOTS of folks have posted their
appreciation of my forthright stand and eloquence on behalf of gay
liberation.

>Odd, then, that so many gay people seem to manage just fine, in the US 
>and the UK.  

That's a lie. MOST gays in the US still live in the closet, out of
terror. Across small-town and rural America. MANY is a relative term.
A thousand could be many, but when you compare that with 10 million,
it's just a drop in the bucket.

I should also add it's not much better for gay people, even in our big
cities.

>Oh, I won't say that there aren't problems, or that gay 
>people are always treated with the civility that's due 

Oh, yes, you're SUCH a nice guy, I already know that!

>- but in general, 
>the world's a *lot* more tolerant towards gay people than it was.  In 
>fact, in many areas, it's scarcely cause for comment these days.

Bull dung. TOTALLY untrue. I get harassed FREQUENTLY by homophobic
street people right here in "Gay Mecca", especially in the Castro.
Many people I meet HATE gay activists like me, even when they consider
themselves progressives in every other way.

You don't sound like you've read ANY gay media source in your life! As
the saying goes: "Ignorance is hetero bliss!"

>Unless, of course, you think it might be to do with the fact that you're 
>so incredibly angry about being gay?  (Or GAY, if you prefer?)

I'm not at all angry about being gay. I am OUTRAGED at the new rise of
homophobia, and the ARROGANCE of so many heteros I meet. My anger is
righteous, as was the anger of South African blacks during apartheid.

>No you won't.  You might well drive *yourself* away - or at least make 
>yourself into a recluse (if you're not already).

Hey armchair shrink, you make Dr. Phil look like Carl Jung himself!
YOU are certainly NOT the last word in this matter...especially since
you aren't the LEAST BIT acquainted with the politics of homosexual
liberation OR  with the culture of conspiracy and social engineering.
I've become deeply familiar with ALL three, due to years of activism,
research, deduction and speculation.

> But if you treat the 
>world outside your door with the attitude you show here, I doubt you'll 
>find it a very friendly place.

WRONG. I find the world a MOSTt friendly place, as everything around
me is in the process of setting me up to become a celebrated here. You
are simply one of the players...a protagonist if you will. Albeit a
BIT player, an extra.

>Actually, neither is all that healthy.  Bottling intense emotions up can 
>be harmful.  Expressing them every now and then, as the need arises, 
>that's healthy - provided the mode of release is positive.  But it 
>doesn't seem to be an occasional thing with you, and your mode of release 
>is not at all positive.  

It is your WICKED attitude against outspoke gays that inspires you to
give as much negative spin on their fight for independence, as you can
muster up. It is the MISSION of civil rights advocates to transform
OUTRAGE into productive results. And that's PRECISELY what I do, which
does include Usenet participation.

IOW, I am most JOYFUL in my righteous rage! I just happen to be
PROLIFIC in my mission...a far cry from how YOU define my calling.

>If you get used to living in a state of rage 
>then, as Noon-Air said, it may well pose a long-term threat to your 
>health.  

Noon-Air is no more an authority than yourself. You're BOTH dipwads!
Long-term threat to my health? Actually, that's what YOU and your
cronies are: a long-term threat to the health of ALL free-speaking
homosexuals.

>And if you direct that rage at other people, blaming them for 
>all the wrongs in your world simply because they don't agree with 
>something you've said, then that's definitely unhealthy.

But that's completey off the wall. I do not oppose ANYONE "simply"
because they don't agree. But if I said black people should never be
enslaved...wouldn't a Nazi of KKK member disagree? Likewise when I
confront homophobic attitudes, MANY of which are cleverly guised as
"friendly" liberals and counterculture and alternative-religion types.
(As in this newsgroup.) IOW: "wolves in sheep's clothing."

>But you *don't* understand, and that's the sad irony.  You rage and you 
>shout and you accuse - but you haven't once stopped to ask a single 
>poster what their feelings are about gay people.

I DID. But whenever I do, they IGNORE my question. Like my Jan. 26
comment to sarchasm:

Have you EVER contributed any sort of POSITIVE support of gay people?
Have you EVER confronted someone for calling another "faggot" in
public, told him that was plain WRONG?

He NEVER answered those two simple questions. Likewise, you, him, et
al REFUSED to acknowledge my accuracy on three important
conclusion...despite my providing clear EVIDENCE via several media
outlets.

Likewise, neither did you and your cronies bother to ACKNOWLEDGE the
supportive remarks towards me, by six other participants. That's ONE
MORE than the number of those who've OPPOSED me. Just because a
handful of hetero GOONS hammer away with message after message, to
make it SEEM that many oppose me, does NOT make it ture, upon closer
scrutiny.

So, now I ask YOU:

Have you EVER contributed any sort of POSITIVE support of gay people?
Have you EVER confronted someone for calling another "faggot" in
public, told him that was plain WRONG?

>You haven't sought any information at all.

Totally off the wall! I provided several news outlets that challenged
and DISPROVED the original skewed research, along with three letters
to the editor of firsthand accounts that LIKEWISE disproved those
scummy researchers. It's right here in this thread! I guess you are
DETERMINED to go down in history as a vacuous, anti-gay dunderhead.
More power to you, dunderhead!

>You've leapt to conclusions from a standing start, 

Wrong. I NEVER leapt to any conclusion. I am well informed on
homophobic subterfuge, gov't deception, thanks to my many years
studying gay-relevant news articles, research, and political events.
My conclusions come from an extensive BACKGROUND of knowledge and
activism.

You see, dufus, just because YOU are poorly informed in the matter of
anti-gay subterfuge, does NOT mean what little you DO not, the end-all
and be-all of what there IS to know about gay rights. That's JUST like
a white supremacist with an education that stopped with the 3rd grade,
claiming he's the LAST WORD on black rights!

>The truth is that gay people don't benefit from being 
>represented by someone with attitudes like yours: quite the reverse, in 
>fact.

The truth is that the allied nations never benefitted from Winston
Churchill's claims that Adolf Hitler could EVER be a threat to
democracy.

>People are 
>responding to what you've said and how you've said it.  If you find their 
>representation of what you've said unpleasant, then you should perhaps 
>reflect on your own posts.

So here are two MORE question I'm sure you'll blithely ignore:

Why can't you acknowledge I was correct on THREE of my FOUR major
conclusions?

Why can't you acknowledge the message of SUPPORT I received in this
thread?


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:13:30 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> Midwinter wrote:
>
> >It's just a wild guess, but I bet you find a lot of people are unfriendly
> >towards you, "Chief", wherever you go.
>
> >- but in general,
> >the world's a *lot* more tolerant towards gay people than it was.  In
> >fact, in many areas, it's scarcely cause for comment these days.
>
> Bull dung. TOTALLY untrue. I get harassed FREQUENTLY by homophobic
> street people right here in "Gay Mecca", especially in the Castro.

If they are strangers on the streets, how do they know you're gay, zeke?



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:57:14 GMT

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:13:30 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>If they are strangers on the streets, how do they know you're gay, zeke?

Because I am very well know in my city. Republican gays hate me,
'cause I'm liberal. Heteros hate me, 'cause they hate outspoken
queers...and because in these last 20 years, S.F. has been DELUGED by
Bible Belt migrants who think it is God's will to declare war on
homosexuals. 

I have suffered under the burden of the swing towards the right, which
started with Nixon, erupted with Reagan, steamrolled with Clinton's
"centrism", and snowballed with Dubya's illegal takeover of the White
House.

I've also had local drug dealers try to drive me out of the Castro,
since my street activism was/is an obstruction to their violent form
of street capitalism.

But NOW, I've begun receiving increasing appreciation for standing my
ground all these years. Each day, another person who once opposed me,
has come to apologize, and support me. This excellent turnaround will
soon SNOWBALL into success and victory after victory. And whatever
GOOD happens to me, will be good for ALL gay people.

The entire community will benefit greatly by my successes, as I will
empower OTHER unsung gay heroes. Unlike previous and PRESENT activists
who want to hog up the stage all for themselves, denyin many spirited
activists and artists who could achieve our liberation quickly.

I also usually way some sort of button that supports gays, such as a
pink triangle with "I bash back" printed on eat, or a sticker that
shows Pacman and Pacwomen gobbling up a glitter jockstrap, with words
"Eat my jockstrap, homophobes", or a burning Amerikan flag faded in
the background, words in the foreground: "Burn flags, not fags."

That is the mischievous style of dissent from the 60s Free Speech
Movement that I incorporate into my own button and decal designs.

But if not wearing any pro-gay emblem, whenever I get to speak to a
stranger, one of the first things I tell them is that my main interest
and love, is being a gay street activist. I have MANY amazing stories
to tell as an activist of many years...some of which you can now read
on my web log and site.

If people are still upset and hateful towards me, simply because I am
outspoken, innovative, and high energy...well, THEY have a serious
problem with jealousy, if not homophobe.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 00:21:46 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> >If they are strangers on the streets, how do they know you're gay, zeke?
>
> Because I am very well know in my city.

How, wanted posters or what?

>
> I also usually way some sort of button that supports gays, such as a
> pink triangle with "I bash back" printed on eat, or a sticker that
> shows Pacman and Pacwomen gobbling up a glitter jockstrap, with words
> "Eat my jockstrap, homophobes", or a burning Amerikan flag faded in
> the background, words in the foreground: "Burn flags, not fags."
>

Okay, so you purposefully advertise your stance in order to feel justified
when the responses are negative.  Presumably, the load of typos in your
above reply was due to the highly-charged emotional nature of your
heterophobia, right?



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 07:54:15 -0600

"sarchasm"  said :

> Okay, so you purposefully advertise your stance in order to feel
> justified when the responses are negative.

"More persecuted than thou", I think they call it.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 04:09:45 GMT

On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 07:54:15 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>"More persecuted than thou", I think they call it.

Wrong again, dumb het. It's actually my way of consciousness raising.

But of course, I EXPECT homophobes to put a negative spin on ANYthing
a gay activist says. You're as common as a dog turd.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 01:01:42 -0700

"Midwinter"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  said :
>
> > Okay, so you purposefully advertise your stance in order to feel
> > justified when the responses are negative.
>
> "More persecuted than thou", I think they call it.

That's what those who relish covering their delusions with the slimey
coating of victimhood call it alright.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 04:08:33 GMT

On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 00:21:46 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>> Because I am very well know in my city.
>
>How, wanted posters or what?

Ha, ha. Nope. Guess again, oh clueless breeder clown.

>> I also usually way some sort of button that supports gays, such as a
>> pink triangle with "I bash back" printed on eat, or a sticker that
>> shows Pacman and Pacwomen gobbling up a glitter jockstrap, with words
>> "Eat my jockstrap, homophobes", or a burning Amerikan flag faded in
>> the background, words in the foreground: "Burn flags, not fags."

>Okay, so you purposefully advertise your stance in order to feel justified
>when the responses are negative.  

No, I do it because it's important for gays to be VISIBLE, as a form
of raising consciousness. Since I do not display any physcial or
speech gay stereotype, I have to find another way to make them aware.
So the WON'T automatically assume I'm a breeder.

>Presumably, the load of typos in your
>above reply was due to the highly-charged emotional nature of your
>heterophobia, right?

Load of typos? I only count one: "Pacwomen" should have been spelled
"Pacwoman". I PURPOSELY spell America as "Amerika" to honor gay poet
Alan Ginsberg, who originated that intentional mispell.

Once again, you lose. Thanks for making my calling so EASY!


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 01:16:58 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> >> Because I am very well know in my city.
> >
> >How, wanted posters or what?
>
> Ha, ha. Nope. Guess again, oh clueless breeder clown.

You use the term 'breeder' as some sort of intended insult when that's the
process whereby hetero & homosexual births occur throughout this thread.  It
must be concluded that you are, indeed, delusional and irrational.

>
> >> I also usually way some sort of button that supports gays, such as a
> >> pink triangle with "I bash back" printed on eat, or a sticker that
> >> shows Pacman and Pacwomen gobbling up a glitter jockstrap, with words
> >> "Eat my jockstrap, homophobes", or a burning Amerikan flag faded in
> >> the background, words in the foreground: "Burn flags, not fags."
>
> >Okay, so you purposefully advertise your stance in order to feel
justified
> >when the responses are negative.
>
> No, I do it because it's important for gays to be VISIBLE, as a form
> of raising consciousness. Since I do not display any physcial or
> speech gay stereotype, I have to find another way to make them aware.
> So the WON'T automatically assume I'm a breeder.

Untrue.  You obviously wallow in your perceptions of victimhood.  As far as
your continuously idiotic breeder comments; biologically, nonbreeders are an
evolutionary dead-end, since they do not reproduce biologically.  Isn't that
interesting?

>
> >Presumably, the load of typos in your
> >above reply was due to the highly-charged emotional nature of your
> >heterophobia, right?
>
> Load of typos? I only count one:

That's probably due to you're being unobservant, unable to count and
generally stupid.  Here's what you snipped out, dumbass:

> "I also usually way "

'Way' isn't even close to 'wear'.

> " ... some sort of button that supports gays, such as a
> pink triangle with "I bash back" printed on eat, "

On 'eat' isn't a near miss of 'it', either.

> " ... or a sticker that
> shows Pacman and Pacwomen gobbling up a glitter jockstrap, with words
> "Eat my jockstrap, homophobes", or a burning Amerikan flag faded in
> the background, words in the foreground: "Burn flags, not fags."

> "Pacwomen" should have been spelled
> "Pacwoman".

Okay, three isn't really a 'load' but, it is more than one.

>
> Once again, you lose. Thanks for making my calling so EASY!

Back to ranting about spelling errors being as irrelevant as your
'reasoning' errors for you, huh?



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 21:38:47 GMT

On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 01:16:58 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>You use the term 'breeder' as some sort of intended insult when that's the
>process whereby hetero & homosexual births occur throughout this thread.  It
>must be concluded that you are, indeed, delusional and irrational.

You don't have to go very far to grasp at straws. One's between your
legs!

>Untrue.  You obviously wallow in your perceptions of victimhood.  

Yeah, like a raped woman speaking out against machismo.

>As far as
>your continuously idiotic breeder comments; biologically, nonbreeders are an
>evolutionary dead-end, since they do not reproduce biologically.  Isn't that
>interesting?

Even MORE interesting is your failure to acknowledge how MANY gay
partners have their OWN children via artificial insemination. We don't
NEED no stinkin' breeders! Children no longer need be victims of
hetero dogma that preaches violence as a way of life, and fag-bashing
as a national pastime.




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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 15:39:44 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> >You use the term 'breeder' as some sort of intended insult when that's
the
> >process whereby hetero & homosexual births occur throughout this thread.
It
> >must be concluded that you are, indeed, delusional and irrational.
>
> You don't have to go very far to grasp at straws. One's between your
> legs!

That's your 'reasoned' response, utilizing 'logic'?

>
> >Untrue.  You obviously wallow in your perceptions of victimhood.
>
> Yeah, like a raped woman speaking out against machismo.

Act like a victim and you'll likely be treated like one.  Act like a
terrorist-heterphobic extremist and you wallow in your delusions.

>
> >As far as
> >your continuously idiotic breeder comments; biologically, nonbreeders are
an
> >evolutionary dead-end, since they do not reproduce biologically.  Isn't
that
> >interesting?
>
> Even MORE interesting is your failure to acknowledge how MANY gay
> partners have their OWN children via artificial insemination. We don't
> NEED no stinkin' breeders!
>

Lesbian women have managed that, have gay men?



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 10:45:30 -0600

"sarchasm"  said :

> Lesbian women have managed that, have gay men?

And it's worth pointing out that in most (if not all - see below) cases 
the, er, 'raw material' still has to be sourced from somewhere.

(It might well be possible to force-combine the DNA of two people of the 
same sex, but I'm not a geneticist, so I really wouldn't like to comment.)

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 12:24:22 -0700

"Midwinter"  wrote:
>
> And it's worth pointing out that in most (if not all - see below) cases
> the, er, 'raw material' still has to be sourced from somewhere.

True, and at the risk of providing radical extremists with fodder:

http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/sciencetech/men-no-longer-necessary-for
-sperm-production/750

>
> (It might well be possible to force-combine the DNA of two people of the
> same sex, but I'm not a geneticist, so I really wouldn't like to comment.)

There seem to be viability questions.  Not to mention the possible genetics
with resulted in the OP.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 13:27:25 -0600

"sarchasm"  said :

> Not to mention the possible genetics with resulted in the OP.

Fortunately, not something I'll ever have to worry about.  There are 
reasons for gratitude...!

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 23:05:43 -0700

"Midwinter"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  said :
>
> > Not to mention the possible genetics which resulted in the OP.
>
> Fortunately, not something I'll ever have to worry about.  There are
> reasons for gratitude...!

It'd be interesting to discover whether the result tends to support
preference or genetics, despite currently unsupported claims though.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:42:55 GMT

On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 15:39:44 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>Act like a victim and you'll likely be treated like one.  

Go tell that to all the decimated, shrivelled up children dying by the
hundreds every day in Africa.

Better yet:

Build yerself a TIME machine, journey back to 1943, to Nazi Germany.
Go to the concentration camps, and tell the Jews the only reason
they're suffering so, is because they're acting like victims.

Apparantly, the world is way too complex for breeder pinheads like
yourself, so you buy into simplistic formulas like self-help seminars
and feel-good new-age spiritual tripe. That's why pinheads like
yourself will soon be eradicated from this planet. You're too
DANGEROUS for the survival of our species (and all others) by your
IGNORANCE and STUPIDITY...as manifest by your anti-gay blather (not to
mention OTHER froms of bigotry).

>Lesbian women have managed that, have gay men?

Spoken like a true homophobe!

It's called sperm banking, dumbshit. 


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 23:08:47 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
>
> Build yerself a TIME machine, journey back to 1943, to Nazi Germany.

                        [Godwin invocation]
>
>
> >Lesbian women have managed that, have gay men?
>
>
> It's called sperm banking, dumbshit.

And yet, gay men remain unable to get pregnant and therefore currently still
require a female womb, heterophobic idiot.




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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:50:16 GMT

On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 23:08:47 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>And yet, gay men remain unable to get pregnant and therefore currently still
>require a female womb, heterophobic idiot.

No matter how many times I explain it, you're just TOO dumb to
understand. My bone of contention is against heterocentrism, not
heterosexuality per se. But being the smug hetero you are, you act
like hetero breeding is something we should all bow down and worship.

You stereotype me, by assuming (wrongly) that I am upset that one
still needs both sperm AND egg to reproduce. Thanks to artificial
insemination, we no longer have ANY excuse to perpetrate heterosexism
with all its attending prejudices, violence and smug supremacy.

Children can now be brought into the world withOUT needing any bigoted
anti-gay heteros involved. That is a much HEALTHIER way to
propagate...the child thus born is assured of not being an undesired
byproduct of breeder lust or dogma.

Get it? No, of course you don't. You'd MUCH rather hang your anti-gay
phobia out to dry, than admit the veracity of my words. Have fun!



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 22:52:04 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> >And yet, gay men remain unable to get pregnant and therefore currently
still
> >require a female womb, heterophobic idiot.
>
> No matter how many times I explain it,

Don't care - the matter referenced your repetitious 'breeder' comments,
nothing more.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 04:49:41 GMT

On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 22:52:04 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>Don't care - the matter referenced your repetitious 'breeder' comments,
>nothing more.

Breeder breeder breeder.
Never had her, So he had to
Bleed her.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:30:55 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> Midwinter  wrote:
>
>
> >And if you direct that rage at other people, blaming them for
> >all the wrongs in your world simply because they don't agree with
> >something you've said, then that's definitely unhealthy.
>
> But that's completey off the wall. I do not oppose ANYONE "simply"
> because they don't agree.
>

That is incorrect, as shown by your archived posts in this thread.  It must
be logically concluded that you lie.

> >But you *don't* understand, and that's the sad irony.  You rage and you
> >shout and you accuse - but you haven't once stopped to ask a single
> >poster what their feelings are about gay people.
>
> I DID. But whenever I do, they IGNORE my question. Like my Jan. 26
> comment to sarchasm:
>

Those are known as "rigged" questions in that they are phrased in such a way
as to manipulate the response.  And here you claim others are manipulative
in their replies - shame on you, zeke!

> Have you EVER contributed any sort of POSITIVE support of gay people?

In this instance, the question seeks to elicit a yes or no response.  If
'yes' were selected, examples of this might be sought.  This draws the
respondant into a prearranged tacitly supportive position, whether or not
that is their actual position.  In other words, it's a cheap tactic.  If
'no' were selected, the sophist reaction would be that the questioner was
'right all along' about their preconceptions.  Again, a cheap tactic often
employed by those whose intelligence quotients vie for numerical superiority
with their shoe sizes.

> Have you EVER confronted someone for calling another "faggot" in
> public, told him that was plain WRONG?
>

See above; cf: rigged questions.

> He NEVER answered those two simple questions.

That's simply due to not being as stupid as the questioner. Now you know why
they went unanwered.  Quick, fabricate a delusional alternative!

> Likewise, you, him, et
> al REFUSED to acknowledge my accuracy on three important
> conclusion...despite my providing clear EVIDENCE via several media
> outlets.

There was no accuracy and therefore, nothing to acknowledge.  That factor
escapes you, doesn't it?




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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 07:02:27 GMT

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:30:55 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>Those are known as "rigged" questions in that they are phrased in such a way
>as to manipulate the response.  And here you claim others are manipulative
>in their replies - shame on you, zeke!

Rigged? Asking you if you've ever contributed to a gay cause, or
confronted someone for calling another "faggot"? Rigged?

ROTFLMAO

>In this instance, the question seeks to elicit a yes or no response.  If
>'yes' were selected, examples of this might be sought.  This draws the
>respondant into a prearranged tacitly supportive position, whether or not
>that is their actual position.  In other words, it's a cheap tactic.  

Ha ha ha ha ha. You either put your money where your mouth is, or just
SHUT UP. I put you in a corner, and you STILL refuse to answer two
simple questions. I got you to give yourself away! You're obviously a
homophobe pretended he's gay friendly.

A TYPICAL and very OLD worn-out strategy by soft-core phobes. (Meaning
those who don't go around bashing queers, but by the same token, never
speak out against homophobia, or vote in favor of gays.)

But I knew ALL ALONG what kind of loser you are, simply by the tone of
your articles. I have a KEEN intuition on where people are coming
from, re. gay friendliness. I use my words in such a way as to EXPOSE
their souls in public...and they don't even realize until too late!

This is rich. I think I'll celebrate once more, by treating me to a
fine dinner at a favorite restaurant, tomorrow afternoon.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 00:26:34 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> >Those are known as "rigged" questions in that they are phrased in such a
way
> >as to manipulate the response.  And here you claim others are
manipulative
> >in their replies - shame on you, zeke!
>
> Rigged? Asking you if you've ever contributed to a gay cause, or
> confronted someone for calling another "faggot"? Rigged?
>

Yep. Those are known as "rigged" questions in that they are phrased in such
a way
as to manipulate the response.

> ROTFLMAO

Too dumb to process that concept, are you?

>
> >In this instance, the question seeks to elicit a yes or no response.  If
> >'yes' were selected, examples of this might be sought.  This draws the
> >respondant into a prearranged tacitly supportive position, whether or not
> >that is their actual position.  In other words, it's a cheap tactic.
>
> Ha ha ha ha ha. You either put your money where your mouth is, or just
> SHUT UP. I put you in a corner, and you STILL refuse to answer two
> simple questions. I got you to give yourself away! You're obviously a
> homophobe pretended he's gay friendly.

This is gay-friendly?  heh

>
> A TYPICAL and very OLD worn-out strategy by soft-core phobes. (Meaning
> those who don't go around bashing queers, but by the same token, never
> speak out against homophobia, or vote in favor of gays.)

In other words, if they aren't on your 'side', they're against you?  That's
an extremely naive stance; what are you, 17 years old?

>
> I have a KEEN intuition on where people are coming
> from, re. gay friendliness.

No, you merely have a fixed agenda and abhor any point of view that cannot
be subsumed by it.  You're shallow, Hal.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 04:14:48 GMT

On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 00:26:34 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>Yep. Those are known as "rigged" questions in that they are phrased in such
>a way as to manipulate the response.

Ha, ha. It was a VERY appropriate question to ask at the time. So many
heteros who claim the label "progressive" just love to brag how they
are well informed on minority issues (blacks, etc.). And how they
contribute both money and time to their causes. EXCEPT when it comes
to gay issues, where they totally fall flat on their faces.

Thus, I scratch the surface to discover the REAL truth. It is HIDEOUS,
not to mention disingenuous, for any politically progressive person to
pretend concern for all minorities, yet EXCLUDE the gay issue as if it
were totally irrelevant.

OTOH, perhaps you are right-ring, Republican or conservative. In that
case, I don't EXPECT you to support gays. But since MOST pagans tend
towards progressive politics, I find my challenge to you extremely
relevant.

It does not suffice to accuse your opponent of "trickery" as a valid
reason for not answering a pertinent question. It only serves to bury
you deeper  in your own sewage. And makes ME out to be the one who
speaks truth.

You can run but you can't hide, 'phobe!


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "Noon-Air" 
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:44:51 -0600


"Chief Thracian"  wrote in message 
news:47a3ed14.8706017@amsterdam.newsgroups-download.com...
> On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 00:26:34 -0700, "sarchasm" 
> wrote:
>
>>Yep. Those are known as "rigged" questions in that they are phrased in 
>>such
>>a way as to manipulate the response.
>
> Ha, ha. It was a VERY appropriate question to ask at the time. So many
> heteros who claim the label "progressive" just love to brag how they
> are well informed on minority issues (blacks, etc.). And how they
> contribute both money and time to their causes. EXCEPT when it comes
> to gay issues, where they totally fall flat on their faces.
>
> Thus, I scratch the surface to discover the REAL truth. It is HIDEOUS,
> not to mention disingenuous, for any politically progressive person to
> pretend concern for all minorities, yet EXCLUDE the gay issue as if it
> were totally irrelevant.
>
> OTOH, perhaps you are right-ring, Republican or conservative. In that
> case, I don't EXPECT you to support gays. But since MOST pagans tend
> towards progressive politics, I find my challenge to you extremely
> relevant.
>
> It does not suffice to accuse your opponent of "trickery" as a valid
> reason for not answering a pertinent question. It only serves to bury
> you deeper  in your own sewage. And makes ME out to be the one who
> speaks truth.
>
> You can run but you can't hide, 'phobe!

Back into the killfile troll

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 21:39:27 GMT

On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:44:51 -0600, "Noon-Air" 
wrote:

>Back into the killfile troll
>
>*click*

One homophobe down, four to go!


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 15:42:40 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "Noon-Air"  wrote:
>
> >Back into the killfile troll
> >
> >*click*
>
> One homophobe down, four to go!
>

You ignorant terrorist; killfiling does not mean that persons who've chosen
not to read/respond to your heterphobic rantings are 'gone'.  They remain,
much to your chargrin.  Bummer, huh?



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:42:57 GMT

On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 15:42:40 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>You ignorant terrorist; killfiling does not mean that persons who've chosen
>not to read/respond to your heterphobic rantings are 'gone'.  They remain,
>much to your chargrin.  Bummer, huh?

They're gone for all PRACTICAL purposes, as I'll no longer have my
threads FLOODED by ingorant breeders! Much to YOUR chagrin. Hetero
bummer, huh?


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 23:12:51 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
>
> They're gone for all PRACTICAL purposes, as I'll no longer have my
> threads FLOODED by ingorant breeders!

Instead, you'll flood your own threads with "ingorant" heterophobic
screelings and get diminished attention.  Much like your attention-span.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 08:09:18 GMT

On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 23:12:51 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>Instead, you'll flood your own threads with "ingorant" heterophobic
>screelings and get diminished attention.  Much like your attention-span.

Wrong as usual, breeder faggot!


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 11:09:00 -0700

The prediction correctly manifested in your numerous repetitions of denials.
Here's another:  you haven't shot yourself in the foot for the last time.

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> >Instead, you'll flood your own threads with "ingorant" heterophobic
> >screelings and get diminished attention.  Much like your attention-span.
>
> Wrong as usual, breeder faggot!




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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 01:23:23 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> >Yep. Those are known as "rigged" questions in that they are phrased in
such
> >a way as to manipulate the response.
>
> Ha, ha.

It didn't work the way you wanted it to, did it?

>
> It does not suffice to accuse your opponent of "trickery" as a valid
> reason for not answering a pertinent question.

Not not much an accusation as an observation of the form of your questions.

In this instance, the question seeks to elicit a yes or no response.  If
'yes' were selected, examples of this might be sought.  This draws the
respondant into a prearranged tacitly supportive position, whether or not
that is their actual position.  In other words, it's a cheap tactic.

 If
'no' were selected, the sophist reaction would be that the questioner was
'right all along' about their preconceptions.  Again, a cheap tactic often
employed by those whose intelligence quotients vie for numerical superiority
with their shoe sizes.

> It only serves to bury
> you deeper  in your own sewage. And makes ME out to be the one who
> speaks truth.

You remain your own worst enemy, zeke.  You don't need others for that.

>
> You can run but you can't hide, 'phobe!

There has been no 'running' on my part, heterophobe.  From your replies, you
cannot claim the same without lying, (some more).




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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 21:41:32 GMT

On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 01:23:23 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>It didn't work the way you wanted it to, did it?

Oh yes it did. That's why I'm LMAO.

C'mon, show some common sense here, put me in your killfile like your
ass-lickin' buddy Noon-Air. Please please please!


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Pisano 
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:29:21 -0500

On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 21:41:32 GMT, chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com
(Chief Thracian) wrote:

>On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 01:23:23 -0700, "sarchasm" 
>wrote:
>
>>It didn't work the way you wanted it to, did it?
>
>Oh yes it did. That's why I'm LMAO.
>
>C'mon, show some common sense here, put me in your killfile like your
>ass-lickin' buddy Noon-Air. Please please please!


	Chief . . . 

	Watch the video:

		"Ron Paul on Drugs and Prostitution"

		http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypYBfvnwBTc


	In this video, which was refused airtime on national
television, Dr. Paul also addresses the issues of homosexuality and
gay marriage.

	I think you will find his views most refreshing.  :)
 

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:42:58 GMT

On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:29:21 -0500, Pisano 
wrote:

>		"Ron Paul on Drugs and Prostitution"
>
>		http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypYBfvnwBTc
>
>
>	In this video, which was refused airtime on national
>television, Dr. Paul also addresses the issues of homosexuality and
>gay marriage.
>
>	I think you will find his views most refreshing.  :)

I already have. Too bad sanity is the EXCEPTION rather than the rule,
in Amerikan politics.

Were I running for prez, this would be MY platform:

Decriminalize drugs.
Legalize marijuana and all other soft drugs.
Legalize prostritution.
Equal rights for sexual minorities, including gays.
Outlaw any churches, mosques or other groups that perpetrate anti-gay
bigotry (as we already do for other prejudices).
Universal health care.
Tax the wealthy, and corporations proportionate to the resources they
use.
House the houseless.
Job the jobless.
Stop religious groups from their political skulduggery.
No tax exemptions for religious groups.
Total crackdown on homophobia; treat it like a dangerous pestilence
(which it is).
Declare a state of emergency to protect sexual minorities, create a
separate branch of the military for that purpose.


Guaranteed living salary, whether or not your are employed.






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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 08:08:23 GMT

On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:29:21 -0500, Pisano 
wrote:

>	Chief . . . 
>
>	Watch the video:
>
>		"Ron Paul on Drugs and Prostitution"
>
>		http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypYBfvnwBTc
>
>
>	In this video, which was refused airtime on national
>television, Dr. Paul also addresses the issues of homosexuality and
>gay marriage.

Unfortunately, all the radio and TV ads for Ron Paul EXCLUDE his stand
for gay rights. I'm sorry, but I'm afraid he's just ONE MORE
politician who want the gay vote, but will sell us out when push comes
to shove. Else the radio/TV ads would not HESITATE to include his pro
gay-marriage stand. What are they afraid of? Losing votes? Fuck 'em,
fuck Ron Paul.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 06:53:03 GMT

On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:29:21 -0500, Pisano 
wrote:

>	Chief . . . 
>
>	Watch the video:
>
>		"Ron Paul on Drugs and Prostitution"
>
>		http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypYBfvnwBTc

I don't have high speed access, still connecting w/56kbps modem. So
sadly, I cannot enjoy most videos unless real short. But I did visit
his web site.

>	In this video, which was refused airtime on national
>television, Dr. Paul also addresses the issues of homosexuality and
>gay marriage.
>
>	I think you will find his views most refreshing.  :)

Enough to discover he's ANTI pro-choice. Also Republican. Those two
points are more than enough to make any sane, compassionate and
progressive person PUKE.

He wants to ELIMINATE Roe vs. Wade. See:

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles/?tag=Abortion

Ron Paul is against the Federal Marriage Amendment...but he says to
leave this to the states! That's just tossing us LGBT's to the wolves.
C'mon, how many states would legalize gay marriage? And the handful
that do, you be it will be rapidly eroded by ferocious homophobes.

Did we leave black slavery up to the states? No the Supreme Court
intervened. What about a woman's right to vote? Imagine it THAT were
left to the states...ha!

On the matter of civil rights, each state should defintely NOT go its
own seperate way. You see, for Ron Paul of ANYONE to claim the gay
marriage issue should be left to each state, is simply a way to wash
one's hands of the issue. It's a cop-out.

Quoting Ron: "Social problems cannot be solved by constitutional
amendments or government edicts."

Sounds appealing, but in reality it invites increasing corruption of
minority civil rights throughout our nation. The supreme court is
INTENDED to protect minorities fromt the tyranny of the majority. IOW:
the supreme court MUST interven on matters of civil rights...'cause
OBVIOUSLY we're dealing with widespread prejudices OF the majority.

Thus, leaving gay marriage up to the vote of the people in each state
is gonna do what? The majority of many states were AGAINST freeing
blacks from slavery. Leave that to a vote, and guess the result!

I am NOT willing to elect for President, one who SEEMS (at least
half-heartedly) in favor of gay marriage (which he really isn't, he's
copping out by saying it should be left to each state)...in exchange
for outlawing abortion.

Here's what I had to say about gay marriage back in 2004:


Gay Marriage By Any Other Name
-or-
Letter to the Pharisees

(c) 2004 by Ezekiel J. Krahlin



December 9, 2004

Dear Editor,


WE THE PEOPLE FOR A SANE WORLD officially declare 100% support for gay
marriage, as a civil right and a birthright. Those religious
institutions that condemn such partnerships are in flagrant violation
of the US Constitution's first amendment, which states: "Congress
shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."
Furthermore, said institutions often encourage attitudes of hatred and
promotion of violence against sexual minorities in many other ways,
and have a long history of such. And these "godly" organizations
remain, as they have for untold centuries, the major and sole cause of
virulent homophobia.

Amerika would not tolerate such ugly behavior by a religious group
towards any other minority, in our modern day. And it is one important
tenet of so-called activist judges, to protect a minority from the
tyranny of the majority. Especially when such a minority is more
universally hated than any other; as are homosexuals, transsexuals and
bisexuals. In fact, as oppressed as many minorities remain, most still
cling to backward and hateful notions against even their own
non-hetero brethren.

The issue of gay marriage has become a glaring example of dangers that
arise when church matters are not kept separate from those of the
state. Indeed, it has become The Great Test Of Today's Amerika
regarding the issue of individual rights versus majority prejudice.
And if we keep moving in that sorry direction much longer, we are
likely to see a full-blown holocaust against these long-suffering
people.

But progressives of all stripes must also share considerable shame,
for sometimes participating in homophobic actions (at worst), or
looking the other way too often (at best). To rectify this, we stand
with other responsible liberals and moderates, who take up the cause
of gay equality starting with marriage, in brave and aggressive
manners. Even some churches are finally joining in, thus answering to
their savior's message of compassion. I hope this will mark a
sea-change in attitude regarding our sexual minorities.

We stand with good folks like Assemblyman Mark Leno, with good
organizations like Marriage Equality California, and with good media
venues like Air Amerika (and KGO) Radio We demand an apology from
politicians such as:

    * Senator Diane Feinstein, for suggesting that gay marriage is
directly responsible for the Election Fiasco.

    * Senator John Kerry, for stating in a presidential debate that he
is Catholic and against gay marriage.

    * Former president Bill Clinton, for his signing of the Defense of
Marrage Act and the destructive policy coined Don't Ask Don't Tell.

    * Queer-politico turncoats like Congressman Barney Frank, who
likewise blame gay marriage for Kerry's Fall From Grace.

We also acknowledge that none of these four examples are Republicans;
in fact they are all regarded as staunch Democrats. (Centrists have
thus proven themselves to be Republican wolves in Donkey hide.)

All truly progressive people will not tolerate any more homophobia
from our own liberal groups and representatives, and must therefore,
if need be, not just condemn but separate ourselves from those who
continue to harbor anti-gay attitudes. We must be as clear, as strong,
and as steadfast regarding gay marriage, as we have been these many
years against racism, misogyny, child abuse, capital punishment, and
preemptive declarations of war. For it has become all too obvious that
condemnation of gay marriage is a red herring to distract us from the
real agenda: removal of all LGBT rights to mark them as second-class
citizens in perpetuity. And then, the elimination of all rights for
every other citizen, except a remnant of the power elite.

We will no longer tolerate frivolous and mean-sprited arguments
questioning whether or not gays can marry, whether or not they deserve
equal status as human beings, and whether or not they shall go to
heaven. Such debates hold no validity in any civilized nation, as they
are founded on a premise that is blatantly erroneous from the start,
for it flies in the face of common sense and compassion. Nor shall we
ever again engage any discussion over partnerships termed and defined
as something resembling marriage, but not ever equal to. In other
words "separate and unequal." In short:

Marriage by any other name just doesn't cut the mustard.



Most sincerely,


Ezekiel J. Krahlin
Queer Voice in the Oscar-Wilderness





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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 15:47:47 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> >It didn't work the way you wanted it to, did it?
>
> Oh yes it did. That's why I'm LMAO.

In context, your asking questions to elicit predeternined responses did not
work.  Claiming it worked or, shifting the context, is a cheap troll tactic.
Then again, that's all you are here.

>
> C'mon, show some common sense here, put me in your killfile like your
> ass-lickin' buddy Noon-Air. Please please please!
>

Let's skip to the part where if that were done, you'd claim some hollow
victory or, if not done; you'd claim something else as ridiculous.  Instead,
it remains my choice to reply or not to your bullshit, not yours.  Now go
write some whining shit on the back of your next disability check from the
government you despise.




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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 10:46:31 -0600

"sarchasm"  said :

> In context, your asking questions to elicit predeternined responses
> did not work.  Claiming it worked or, shifting the context, is a cheap
> troll tactic. Then again, that's all you are here.

I think you are having *some* impact, though.  I gave him a straightforward 
'yes' to one of the questions, but I note he didn't address it - either 
honestly or dishonestly.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 12:26:25 -0700

"Midwinter"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  said :
>
> > In context, your asking questions to elicit predeternined responses
> > did not work.  Claiming it worked or, shifting the context, is a cheap
> > troll tactic. Then again, that's all you are here.
>
> I think you are having *some* impact, though.  I gave him a
straightforward
> 'yes' to one of the questions, but I note he didn't address it - either
> honestly or dishonestly.

Possibly so.  There is much he ignores unless he can bend it to his agenda.
Then again, maybe the feds picked him up on outstanding warrants.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Seamus 
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 11:36:44 -0800 (PST)

On Feb 4, 2:26 pm, "sarchasm"  wrote:
> > I think you are having *some* impact, though.  I gave him a
> straightforward
> > 'yes' to one of the questions, but I note he didn't address it - either
> > honestly or dishonestly.
>
> Possibly so.  There is much he ignores unless he can bend it to his agenda.
> Then again, maybe the feds picked him up on outstanding warrants.

He keeps screaming "Killfile me! Plonk me! Justify my anger!" But I'm
just too busy laughing my ass off.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 14:55:23 -0600

Seamus  said :

> He keeps screaming "Killfile me! Plonk me! Justify my anger!" But I'm
> just too busy laughing my ass off.

Well, I'm going to have to leave it to you.  As the groups will know, I 
have no sense of humour, I'm afraid, so get no such benefit...!

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "Noon-Air" 
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 15:59:59 -0600


"Seamus"  wrote in message 
news:edcc9c0f-a0bd-4f23-a670-7734902508b1@c23g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 4, 2:26 pm, "sarchasm"  wrote:
>> > I think you are having *some* impact, though.  I gave him a
>> straightforward
>> > 'yes' to one of the questions, but I note he didn't address it - either
>> > honestly or dishonestly.
>>
>> Possibly so.  There is much he ignores unless he can bend it to his 
>> agenda.
>> Then again, maybe the feds picked him up on outstanding warrants.
>
> He keeps screaming "Killfile me! Plonk me! Justify my anger!" But I'm
> just too busy laughing my ass off.

Absolutely.....Never argue with an idiot... they drag you down to their 
level then beat you with experience.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 23:05:01 GMT

On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 15:59:59 -0600, "Noon-Air" 
wrote:

>Absolutely.....Never argue with an idiot... they drag you down to their 
>level then beat you with experience.

I consider my calling re. Gay Rights too important to shun idiots. For
they at LEAST provide me with the backdrop on which to expound my
ideas for Queer Liberty. So I write NOT for the buffoons, but to
benefit my gay brothers/sisters...IOW: for those with ears to hear and
eyes to see.

So I'm not bothered ONE IOTA with the squeedunks and breeder bozos
that seem to haunt this thread like demented cyber-poltergeist!



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 23:16:42 -0700

"Seamus"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
> > "MidWinter"  > > I think you are having *some* impact, though.  I gave him a
> > straightforward
> > > 'yes' to one of the questions, but I note he didn't address it -
either
> > > honestly or dishonestly.
> >
> > Possibly so.  There is much he ignores unless he can bend it to his
agenda.
> > Then again, maybe the feds picked him up on outstanding warrants.
>
> He keeps screaming "Killfile me! Plonk me! Justify my anger!" But I'm
> just too busy laughing my ass off.

That's what he desperately believes gives him his hollow victories.  He's
using a common usenet-troll ploy; reply and you feed the troll/don't reply
and the troll 'wins', (whatever it is they think they're 'winning').  Dull
and uncreative but, then again, so is zeke.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 08:10:02 GMT

On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 23:16:42 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>That's what he desperately believes gives him his hollow victories.  

Wrong agian, breeder faggot!



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Seamus 
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 10:56:24 -0800 (PST)

On Feb 5, 3:10 am, chief_thracia...@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 23:16:42 -0700, "sarchasm" 
> wrote:
>
> >That's what he desperately believes gives him his hollow victories.
>
> Wrong agian, breeder faggot!

Aaawww...

Did all the synapses in that dried up raisin you call a brain finally
misfire?  Or did you eat a super-heaping bowl of Dipshit Flakes for
breakfast?

That is, by the way a truly AWESOME looking pair of Fuckwit Shades
you're wearing.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:43:00 GMT

On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 15:47:47 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>In context, your asking questions to elicit predeternined responses did not
>work.  Claiming it worked or, shifting the context, is a cheap troll tactic.
>Then again, that's all you are here.

Right. That's why I, the OP of this thread, brought up a most
important topic that impacts the pagan community big time. It is
hetero IDIOTS like yourself who jumped all over me, absolutely FAWNING
over the SF Chronicle as if it were the word of Goddess herself.

>Now go
>write some whining shit on the back of your next disability check from the
>government you despise.

Wow. Your PREJUDICE in another matter sticks out like a sore thumb,
too! I won't even begin to point out the many ways in which you err,
and project MALICIOUS attitudes. Any INTELLIGENT and COMPASSIONATE
person will see right through you. 

Besides, it would be beneath me to go on the defense against a
spinless Nazi.

Thanks for additional evidence that it is SCUMBAGS attacking me on
this thread, not well-meaning gay-friendly breeders.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 23:17:30 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> >In context, your asking questions to elicit predeternined responses did
not
> >work.  Claiming it worked or, shifting the context, is a cheap troll
tactic.
> >Then again, that's all you are here.
>
> Right.

Good.  That's settled then.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 08:10:36 GMT

On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 23:17:30 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>Good.  That's settled then.

Wrong again, breeder faggot!



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Seamus 
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 10:53:44 -0800 (PST)

On Feb 5, 3:10 am, chief_thracia...@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 23:17:30 -0700, "sarchasm" 
> wrote:
>
> >Good.  That's settled then.
>
> Wrong again, breeder faggot!

Wow. We've broken his widdwe bwain. All he can say now is "Wrong
again, breeder faggot!" even without realizing the contradiction in
terms he's spewing.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:50:19 GMT

On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 01:23:23 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>It didn't work the way you wanted it to, did it?

Wrong.

>In this instance, the question seeks to elicit a yes or no response.  

Not so. You are free to answer any question the way you want. YOU
chose to answer it with smug heterosexism.

>There has been no 'running' on my part, heterophobe.  

No such thing as "heterophobia". But you'll make up ANYTHING in order
to satiate your fat breeder ego.

>From your replies, you cannot claim the same without lying, (some more).

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 07:51:56 -0600

chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :

>>It's just a wild guess, but I bet you find a lot of people are
>>unfriendly towards you, "Chief", wherever you go.
> 
> No. Only when they're homophobic. THEN the fur flies!

Or, presumably, when you judge them to be homophobic without taking even 
a moment to ask them their point of view?

 
>> Would that be fairly near the mark?
> 
> Not at all.

That's good, then.  I'm glad you get on better in the real world than you 
apparently do in Usenet.  But, as I said elsewhere, one's persona here 
behind the shield of anonymity doesn't necessarily indicate the sort of 
person one is in reality.


>>And it'd hardly be surprising: if you're as indiscriminately 
>>hostile to everyone you meet in the real world as you are online, it's
>>hardly surprising they're unfriendly back.
> 
> Everyone? That is NOT true either online OR off.

It's pretty much true that you've laid screaming into anyone who's 
questioned you here - thus garnering even more attention from those 
interested to see just how incandescent you can get.


> You INTENTIONALLY
> ignore (as I've stated twice previously) the FRIENDLY and SUPPORTIVE
> comments I've received in this thread.

Friendly and supportive comments don't make your initial argument right, 
and they don't make your attitude favourable.  How other people see your 
posts isn't my concern - how *I* see them is.

 
> Why don't you bother to view readers' comments on my web log, as well
> as my web site's guestbook?

Because I don't care about your weblog, or your guestbook.  They're of no 
relevance to this thread.  Simply showing me that someone appreciated 
something you posted somewhere else doesn't make what you've posted here 
any more correct.


> LOTS of folks have posted their
> appreciation of my forthright stand and eloquence on behalf of gay
> liberation.

And that's fine: maybe you're doing a better job on your blog than you 
are here.  But in here, you're an embarrassment to the cause of gay 
rights.


> That's a lie. MOST gays in the US still live in the closet, out of
> terror. Across small-town and rural America. MANY is a relative term.
> A thousand could be many, but when you compare that with 10 million,
> it's just a drop in the bucket.

Okay.

 
>>Oh, I won't say that there aren't problems, or that gay 
>>people are always treated with the civility that's due 
> 
> Oh, yes, you're SUCH a nice guy, I already know that!

Hmm?  I said that gay people aren't always treated with the civility 
that's due.  Do you question that statement?

 
> Bull dung. TOTALLY untrue. I get harassed FREQUENTLY by homophobic
> street people right here in "Gay Mecca", especially in the Castro.

I wonder: how do they know you're gay in order to harass you?  Or is it 
merely that you're present in a certain area?  In which case, if that be 
their view, what are *they* doing there?


> You don't sound like you've read ANY gay media source in your life! As
> the saying goes: "Ignorance is hetero bliss!"

You know, maybe it's just my ignorance, but I don't limit myself to 
'gay' or 'hetero' sources.  I look for sources that provide reliable 
information.

 
>>Unless, of course, you think it might be to do with the fact that
>>you're so incredibly angry about being gay?  (Or GAY, if you prefer?)
> 
> I'm not at all angry about being gay. I am OUTRAGED at the new rise of
> homophobia, and the ARROGANCE of so many heteros I meet. My anger is
> righteous, as was the anger of South African blacks during apartheid.

Of course.  That's why you'll see no problem in the way you conduct 
yourself here - and that in turn is why you'll continue to be an obstacle 
to the furtherance of gay rights, despite your grand self-image.

 
>>No you won't.  You might well drive *yourself* away - or at least make
>>yourself into a recluse (if you're not already).
> 
> Hey armchair shrink, you make Dr. Phil look like Carl Jung himself!
> YOU are certainly NOT the last word in this matter...especially since
> you aren't the LEAST BIT acquainted with the politics of homosexual
> liberation OR  with the culture of conspiracy and social engineering.

Mmm, so you say.  That's how it needs to be: I don't agree with you, 
therefore I'm The Enemy.  This isn't complicated psychological stuff, 
'Chief' - Jung has nothing to do with it.  This is basic, everyday 
extremist thinking.  "If you're not with me, you're against me."  I've 
questioned your initial claims, therefore I'm not 'with' you, therefore 
I'm absolutely everything you hate.  I'm whatever you need me to be in 
order to validate your worldview.


> I've become deeply familiar with ALL three, due to years of activism,
> research, deduction and speculation.

Research is fine.  It's the speculation I tend to have problems with - 
especially when you present your speculation as learned fact.

 
> WRONG. I find the world a MOSTt friendly place, as everything around
> me is in the process of setting me up to become a celebrated here. You
> are simply one of the players...a protagonist if you will. Albeit a
> BIT player, an extra.

You are the central player on your world stage.  Everything revolves 
around you.  QED, I think.


> It is your WICKED attitude against outspoke gays

No problem here with outspoken gays.  My problems are with prejudiced, 
closed-minded bigots - particularly those convinced that they're the very 
lynchpin of the universe.


> But that's completey off the wall. I do not oppose ANYONE "simply"
> because they don't agree.

Of course not.  That would be prejudicial, wouldn't it?  And your mission 
is to *oppose* prejudice, not to indulge in it.  Right?

But, like it or not, *see* it or not, that's *precisely* what you do.  
You make a claim, the claim is challenged, and immediately the challenger 
is everything you purportedly oppose, no matter that you know nothing 
about them at all.


> But if I said black people should never be
> enslaved...wouldn't a Nazi of KKK member disagree?

'Black people should never be enslaved' isn't an argument that's likely 
to garner much in the way of open opposition these days.  So it's not 
really a great analogy.

In this case, your initial claim was dubious: you argued that a 
particular experimental finding (which may or may not have produced 
accurate data) was a deliberate attempt to smear gay men.  *That's* what 
you were picked up on, and it's that simple challenge to that flawed 
conclusion that had you raging and hurling abuse.

I even gave you an out: I said that if you wanted to invalidate the data, 
all you needed to do was run the experiment yourself and provide more 
accurate results.  You declined.


> Likewise when I
> confront homophobic attitudes, MANY of which are cleverly guised as
> "friendly" liberals and counterculture and alternative-religion types.
> (As in this newsgroup.)

Just out of interest, which religion *should* I be, in your view?


> I DID. But whenever I do, they IGNORE my question. Like my Jan. 26
> comment to sarchasm:
> 
> Have you EVER contributed any sort of POSITIVE support of gay people?
> Have you EVER confronted someone for calling another "faggot" in
> public, told him that was plain WRONG?
> 
> He NEVER answered those two simple questions.

Assuming that's true, I don't blame him.  Those weren't the sort of 
questions I had in mind.  Such questions would be: "Are you gay?"; "Have 
you ever suffered discrimination or abuse because you're gay?"; "What do 
you believe should be done to further the cause of gay rights?"; "If 
you're not gay, what's your honest view of homosexuality?"; "Do you 
believe that gay people should have the right to express their 
preferences publicly?"

That sort of thing.  Pretty simple stuff.  Foundation-level, you might 
say.  The sort of thing that would help you actually find out who you're 
talking to and what their attitudes are *before* you lay into them for 
being this or that.

Your questions were phrased in such a way as to assume negativity, and to 
challenge.  In other words, they were rooted in an established hostility.  


> Likewise, neither did you and your cronies bother to ACKNOWLEDGE the
> supportive remarks towards me, by six other participants.

As a matter of interest, I note you haven't done a great deal about those 
supportive comments, either.  It's odd that someone so single-mindedly 
devoted to the cause would pay such scant attention to those who might 
support him.  Apparently you prefer to spend your time on people who, if 
your prejudiced statements were to be believed, are implacable enemies 
whose minds you could never hope to change.

Could it possibly be that you're here for a fight, rather than to 
increase awareness of 'gay issues'?


> Have you EVER contributed any sort of POSITIVE support of gay people?

Yes.


> Have you EVER confronted someone for calling another "faggot" in
> public, told him that was plain WRONG?

I live in Britain.  A faggot is a sort of meatball.  The nearest term we 
have is 'fag', as used in the public schools; but even then that doesn't 
mean quite the same thing (although there is supposedly a fair amount of 
overlap).

But if you're asking me whether I've challenged someone for using slurs 
based on prejudice, then yes - actually quite a few times.  Just as I 
challenge you for your prejudice on these groups.  You seem blissfully 
unaware of the true depth of your prejudice - and it is, absolutely, 
wrong.


>>You haven't sought any information at all.
> 
> Totally off the wall! I provided several news outlets...

Yes, yes.  But I mean information about the people you're slating.  You 
won't find that in news outlets.


>>You've leapt to conclusions from a standing start, 
> 
> Wrong. I NEVER leapt to any conclusion. I am well informed on
> homophobic subterfuge, gov't deception

Exactly my point: you've established a view of the world as a deceptive 
place full of subterfuge and conspiracy, and you allow that to influence 
your view of new people, even after exchanging no more than a few words.

You are deeply, deeply prejudiced.


> You see, dufus, just because YOU are poorly informed in the matter of
> anti-gay subterfuge, does NOT mean what little you DO not, the end-all
> and be-all of what there IS to know about gay rights.

Sorry - could I have that again in English?


> So here are two MORE question I'm sure you'll blithely ignore:
> 
> Why can't you acknowledge I was correct on THREE of my FOUR major
> conclusions?

Because I'm interested in the conclusion you made initially: that the 
scientific result (right or wrong) was an attack on gay men and an 
attempt to slander them.  That's the conclusion I'm concerned about - 
that, and your reaction to those who questioned it.

 
> Why can't you acknowledge the message of SUPPORT I received in this
> thread?

I don't deny them.  But despite your apparent assumption, they don't make 
you right, any more than the fact that I oppose you in itself makes you 
wrong.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 05:13:15 GMT

On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 07:51:56 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>Or, presumably, when you judge them to be homophobic without taking even 
>a moment to ask them their point of view?

Well, I did...but then I got accused of asking "trick" questions.

>That's good, then.  I'm glad you get on better in the real world than you 
>apparently do in Usenet.  

That's because MOST of my time spent in newsgroups is to challenge
stereotype notions among alternative, non-Xian types, who tend to BRAG
they are so gay-friendly, when actually, they're NOT. I spend very
little time with pleasant pastimes on Usenet. As an acitivist, I am
devoted to political issues, which usually foment opposing views from
angry bigots. Seeing as I'm a LEFT-WING activist, as well as a gay
activist.

>But, as I said elsewhere, one's persona here 
>behind the shield of anonymity doesn't necessarily indicate the sort of 
>person one is in reality.

Not necessarily. I'm very good at scratching the surface and bringing
out a person's REAL feelings...no matter how anonymous he or she may
appear.

>It's pretty much true that you've laid screaming into anyone who's 
>questioned you here -

It's IMPOSSIBLE to scream at anyone on Usenet. It's simply TEXT. The
closest I've seen anyone attempt to scream via text, is when they
compose a sea of text completely capitalized, and filled with
exclamation points. But that STILL isn't really screaming, 'cause it's
imPOSSIBLE to do in this medium.

> thus garnering even more attention from those 
>interested to see just how incandescent you can get.

Your analysis is far from correct. But it IS important that I grab
people's attention. That way, they're less likely to forget my words,
and what I stand for.

>Friendly and supportive comments don't make your initial argument right, 
>and they don't make your attitude favourable.  How other people see your 
>posts isn't my concern - how *I* see them is.

Yes, I agree. But the fact you don't even ACKNOWLEDGE the presence of
supportive comments, speaks volumes about where YOU'RE really coming
fun. You did NOT respond to ANY of those comments. And that, I'm sure,
was INTENTIONAL.

>Because I don't care about your weblog, or your guestbook.  They're of no 
>relevance to this thread.  

Yes they are, because you CLAIMED in this thread that NO ONE agrees
with me, and that EVERYONE is annoyed by my approach. So what you
really mean is you don't CARE about reading any more positive support
and apprecation by others, for my words, as it would totally pop your
bubble.

>Simply showing me that someone appreciated 
>something you posted somewhere else doesn't make what you've posted here 
>any more correct.

That depends on the context of their comment. Some do, some don't. So
once again, your BLANKET statement reveals a manipulative strategy
with poor reasoning.

>And that's fine: maybe you're doing a better job on your blog than you 
>are here.  But in here, you're an embarrassment to the cause of gay 
>rights.

Ha ha. Wrong again. YOU are an embarassment to heteros, especially
those who really DO support gay people. You are ALSO an embarrassment
to intelligent, and well-informed progressive folks who actually DO
bother to read a gay media source now and then. (Still, too few and
far bewteen.)

>Hmm?  I said that gay people aren't always treated with the civility 
>that's due.  Do you question that statement?

I'd say that's a very WEAK observation that trivializes the TERRORISM
gays are subjected to each and every day, by the media, the churches,
and politicians.

>I wonder: how do they know you're gay in order to harass you?  Or is it 
>merely that you're present in a certain area?  In which case, if that be 
>their view, what are *they* doing there?

Heterocentrics get their ROCKS off by hanging out in gay
neighborhoods, and even moving there. They go out of their way to
stalk, harass, and demean gay people...'cause both gov't and church
GOAD them to do so. This is an example of what I mean by anti-gay
conspiracy. Some do it to gain money (such as preachers), by creating
fear over a false enemy, some do it for fame (to play hero against
perceived devils), and some do it for power (such as gov't's desire to
manipulate the masses by creating fake terrors). 

Stigmatizing gays has been a most effective formula to achieve any of
the above three examples, for CENTURIES. I am attempting to SHATTER
this real conspiracy for once and for all.

>You know, maybe it's just my ignorance, but I don't limit myself to 
>'gay' or 'hetero' sources.  I look for sources that provide reliable 
>information.

But we live in an overwhelmingly HETERO society. Thus reliable
information re. gay issues is NOT generally available from mainstream
sources. And OFTEN such sources intentionally DISTORT and DEMONIZED
gays. You've just seen a PERFECT example of this, via the SF
Chronicle's vilification of gays via their MRSA article...which is the
topic of this thread.

>Of course.  That's why you'll see no problem in the way you conduct 
>yourself here - and that in turn is why you'll continue to be an obstacle 
>to the furtherance of gay rights, despite your grand self-image.

You can NOT prove in any way I'm an obstacle to gay rights. How
absurd!

>'Black people should never be enslaved' isn't an argument that's likely 
>to garner much in the way of open opposition these days.  So it's not 
>really a great analogy.

But my point suffices, nonetheless. You KNOW what I meant by that
example.

>In this case, your initial claim was dubious: you argued that a 
>particular experimental finding (which may or may not have produced 
>accurate data) was a deliberate attempt to smear gay men.  *That's* what 
>you were picked up on, and it's that simple challenge to that flawed 
>conclusion that had you raging and hurling abuse.

Incorrect, The smear campaign was DEFINITELY instigated by the SF
Chronicle. Which they KNEW the consevative (Xian) media would take
this false article and run with it. EXACTLY what has happened.

Now, the medical researchers...one could stop with the claim that they
unintentionally released skewed data. Or maybe even it was
INTENTIONAL, in order to gain glory and advancement. But I take it
just one step further: they, too, participated in a smear campaign. As
do preachers, who use fear of homosexuals to empty the wallets of
their frightened congregation.

If such a shameless strategy works for preachers, why should other
professions do same? After all, so MANY are scrambling for the almight
dollar, it's very TEMPTING. 

The head researcher of the MRSA project, Diep, claims to be gay. In
that case, he is your typical queer opportunist, who will stab his
brothers in the back for profit and glory. EVERY minority has its
underbelly, its saboteurs. I'm sure SOME Jews changed their religion
to Xian, and became Nazis for the same reasons.

>I even gave you an out: I said that if you wanted to invalidate the data, 
>all you needed to do was run the experiment yourself and provide more 
>accurate results.  You declined.

Duh. I don't  have the vast power and access required. So of course I
turned it down. And you knew that. But it was not necessary, since the
original data HAS been invalidated...and I posted the results from
various media sources, and personal accounts by those who've been
infected by MRSA.

>Just out of interest, which religion *should* I be, in your view?

An alternative one that fits one of the four newsgroups to which I've
posted this thread.

>Assuming that's true, I don't blame him.  

Of course not, you're both in cahoots. How very convenient!

>Those weren't the sort of questions I had in mind.  

But I did! It's one of my methods of scratching the surface of those
who aren't gay, but claim gay friendliness.

>Such questions would be: "Are you gay?"; "Have 
>you ever suffered discrimination or abuse because you're gay?"; 

Doesn't matter WHAT gay-pertinent question I ask. He'd STILL accuse me
of "trickery".

>That sort of thing.  Pretty simple stuff.  Foundation-level, you might 
>say.  

It's also pretty simple stuff to ask a declared gay-friendly straight,
MY two questions. For if the answer is NO to both, he is clearly NOT
gay friendly.

>Your questions were phrased in such a way as to assume negativity, and to 
>challenge.  In other words, they were rooted in an established hostility.  

Wait a minute, negativity was NOT assumed, it was OBVIOUS in his
responses. My challenge to him was not in the LEAST hostile. It was
simply confronting a devious poster.

>As a matter of interest, I note you haven't done a great deal about those 
>supportive comments, either.  It's odd that someone so single-mindedly 
>devoted to the cause would pay such scant attention to those who might 
>support him.

How absolutely phony of you! To each one, I responded with gratitude
and respect. I even posted a POEM of mine to one, and a TALE of mine
to another.

>Apparently you prefer to spend your time on people who, if 
>your prejudiced statements were to be believed, are implacable enemies 
>whose minds you could never hope to change.

No, I write for the benefit of OTHER, future readers, who might
BENEFIT from the discourse. Especially as to learning more effective
STRATEGY in which to fight fire with fire when it comes to homophobic
pretense. I SAVE all my gay relevant threads, and feature them on my
web site.

>Could it possibly be that you're here for a fight, rather than to 
>increase awareness of 'gay issues'?

Could it possibly be that you're here to sabotage my good words,
rather than to assist other pagan heteros in defusing their
homophobia?

>You seem blissfully 
>unaware of the true depth of your prejudice - and it is, absolutely, 
>wrong.

Your analysis is SKEWED. Let the record stand for anyone to read, any
time in the future.

>Exactly my point: you've established a view of the world as a deceptive 
>place full of subterfuge and conspiracy, 

That IS the state of this world, in large part. VERY large part.

>and you allow that to influence your view of new people, 

Of course! Just as a Jew in Nazi Germany colored a most negtive view
of the majority of people around him...most of whom were IMPLICIT in
bringing the Nazis to power, due in great measure to CENTURIES of
anti-semitic attitudes. A SIMILAR conspiracy exists in many nations
around the world...including those that are relatively more gay
friendly than most, such as the Netherlands. (Now suffering an
increasing SERIES of gay bashing by Muslims and other fanatic groups,
not to mentioned the spinelessness of Dutch gov't when it comes to
confronting Muslim fanatics.)

>even after exchanging no more than a few words.

With years' experience under my belt dealing w/bigots day in, day out,
one can more READILY know who's who withOUT first wading through an
encyclopedia of research. There are certain key phrases, key
attitudes, key strategies that DOG-EAR the standard homophobe. I TEACH
my gay brothers through EXAMPLE and essays, how to sharpen their
senses in this matter.

>You are deeply, deeply prejudiced.

You are deeply, deeply, in breeder doo-doo!

>> You see, dufus, just because YOU are poorly informed in the matter of
>> anti-gay subterfuge, does NOT mean what little you DO not, the end-all
>> and be-all of what there IS to know about gay rights.
>
>Sorry - could I have that again in English?

NO ONE who is NOT out-of-the-closet gay, especially any proclaimed
HETERO who does not stay informed about gay rights, has any RIGHT to
insist he should be the last word ON the gay issue. Especially when
confronted with an actual gay activist of many years.

>Because I'm interested in the conclusion you made initially: that the 
>scientific result (right or wrong) was an attack on gay men and an 
>attempt to slander them.  That's the conclusion I'm concerned about - 
>that, and your reaction to those who questioned it.

I gave ALL my reasons several times over, backed up by outside
evidence and deduction. It was OBVIOUS from the first, when SF
Chronicle published a bright RED map of the Castro. They DON'T do that
to ANY other group who suffer a disease endemic to their own. It is
ONLY towards gays do they publish such tripe.

>I don't deny them.  

Only because I twisted their arm. You DENY them by virtually NO
reaction whatsoever towards their presence.

>But despite your apparent assumption, they don't make 
>you right, any more than the fact that I oppose you in itself makes you 
>wrong.

Incorrect. You have NOT posted or provided links to ANY resources that
would PROMOTE the view of the SF Chronicle, OR the original data
presented by Dr. Diep et al (for which doctor et el APOLOGIZED several
days later).

Yet I HAVE provide more than ample proof that the data was skewed,
accidently and hastily at best, and intentional at worst.



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Newsgroups: alt.religion.shamanism,alt.religion.wicca,alt.religion.druid,alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 01:37:53 -0700


"Chief Thracian"  wrote:

> Seeing as I'm a LEFT-WING activist, as well as a gay
> activist.
>
> But it IS important that I grab
> people's attention. That way, they're less likely to forget my words,
> and what I stand for.
>
> by creating
> fear over a false enemy, some do it for fame (to play hero against
> perceived devils), and some do it for power
>
Since I know my destiny: as instigator and leader
>
BTW, browsing through my web site, one can put the pieces together to
learn my plans for conquest of the world, and realignment of all
powers
>
> You can NOT prove in any way I'm an obstacle to gay rights. How
> absurd!
>
>
> Wait a minute, negativity was NOT assumed,
>
> You are deeply, deeply, in breeder doo-doo!
>
> it was OBVIOUS in his
> responses. My challenge to him was not in the LEAST hostile.
>
> It was simply confronting a devious poster.
>
> You are deeply, deeply, in breeder doo-doo!




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Newsgroups: alt.religion.shamanism,alt.religion.wicca,alt.religion.druid,alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 04:57:41 -0600

chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :

>>Or, presumably, when you judge them to be homophobic without taking
>>even a moment to ask them their point of view?
> 
> Well, I did...but then I got accused of asking "trick" questions.

You were asking rigged questions, as sarchasm pointed out.  You 
understand what a rigged question is yet?  The classic would be, "when 
did you stop beating your partner" - you must be aware that such 
questions are fundamentally dishonest?  I'll need to demonstrate why 
further down, no doubt.

 
> That's because MOST of my time spent in newsgroups is to challenge
> stereotype notions among alternative, non-Xian types

Ah - so now it's a religious issue, is it?  Funny - it wasn't, as far as 
I was concerned.  So only Christians can tolerate gays, is that right?


> they are so gay-friendly, when actually, they're NOT. I spend very
> little time with pleasant pastimes on Usenet.

Hardly surprising.  As I said elsewhere, I think you and I share a 
certain masochism in common.  You certainly seem to work very hard to 
make Usenet an unpleasant place for yourself.


> As an acitivist, I am
> devoted to political issues, which usually foment opposing views from
> angry bigots.

No, you're devoted to opposing the people *you've* decided are 'angry 
bigots'.  This is why I point out the fact that you haven't taken the 
time to ask a single real question of any of us.


> Seeing as I'm a LEFT-WING activist, as well as a gay
> activist.

I don't really care about 'left' and 'right'.  They're so overused they 
don't really mean anything any more.

 
> Not necessarily. I'm very good at scratching the surface and bringing
> out a person's REAL feelings...no matter how anonymous he or she may
> appear.

All you're good at is attributing characteristics to people and then 
judging them on that basis.  The only thing you've been good at here is 
prejudice.


> It's IMPOSSIBLE to scream at anyone on Usenet. It's simply TEXT.

It's easy to see your emotional state and your attitudes, though, from 
that text, and you do indeed manage to convey that impression.  If it 
weren't so pointless it'd be quite clever.


>>Friendly and supportive comments don't make your initial argument
>>right, and they don't make your attitude favourable.  How other people
>>see your posts isn't my concern - how *I* see them is.
> 
> Yes, I agree. But the fact you don't even ACKNOWLEDGE the presence of
> supportive comments

I acknowledge their presence - I don't acknowledge their relevance.  
You're relying on the principle called 'truthiness' - the very same thing 
that a lot of people would argue powers Wikipedia: truthiness is 'truth 
by consensus'.  If so many people believe something, it must be true.  
But truthiness *isn't* truth - and the presence of supportive comments 
just means that there are people who agree with you.  It doesn't mean 
that you're right.

Similarly, for the sake of balance (which I do try to do, regardless of 
your preconceptions), the presence of opposing comments doesn't in itself 
mean that you're wrong.  If your argument about supportive comments has 
merit, then it should work both ways - because there are more posters 
than me disagreeing with you.

But it doesn't.  What makes you right or wrong is whether you're in 
possession of the correct facts; whether you correctly interpret those 
facts; whether your conclusions based on those facts are logically valid; 
whether you make your arguments rationally, calmly and honestly; and 
whether you find out about people before judging them.  Those are the key 
points here, and so far you've failed on all counts, support or not.


> Yes they are, because you CLAIMED in this thread that NO ONE agrees
> with me

Could you provide a reference, please?  I wasn't aware that I'd said any 
such thing.


> and that EVERYONE is annoyed by my approach.

'Chief', I'm not *annoyed* by your approach.  I'm pointing out its 
absolute lack of merit, and the fact that, due to your closed-mindedness, 
aggressiveness and prejudice, you're a hindrance to the cause you claim 
to be fighting for.

I can't speak for whether anyone else is annoyed.  As I said previously, 
I think it's more likely that you amuse people.


> So what you
> really mean is you don't CARE about reading any more positive support
> and apprecation by others, for my words, as it would totally pop your
> bubble.

No, what I really mean is that if you've got a point to make you can make 
it here in this thread.

 
>>And that's fine: maybe you're doing a better job on your blog than you
>>are here.  But in here, you're an embarrassment to the cause of gay 
>>rights.
> 
> Ha ha. Wrong again. YOU are an embarassment to heteros

But you haven't once asked me a crucial question pertaining to that, have 
you?  You don't *need* to, because you've already got all the information 
you need, right there in your head.  That's why you're prejudiced.


>>Hmm?  I said that gay people aren't always treated with the civility 
>>that's due.  Do you question that statement?
> 
> I'd say that's a very WEAK observation that trivializes the TERRORISM
> gays are subjected to each and every day, by the media, the churches,
> and politicians.

So after all that, you don't disagree with the statement I made, just the 
way in which I put it?  'Weak' is the word, then, certainly.

 
> Stigmatizing gays has been a most effective formula to achieve any of
> the above three examples, for CENTURIES. I am attempting to SHATTER
> this real conspiracy for once and for all.

Do you think?  I'll tell you something: you're *helping* it.  Do you 
really think attitudes like yours benefit the people you claim to be 
fighting for?  Consciously or not, you're working hard to create more 
friction, more distrust, more hatred.  You're like a religious militant 
who won't tolerate any other outlook but his own.  Such people continue 
to fight (and I do mean fight) for 'equality' until they gain absolute 
superiority, with no differing views tolerated.  To paraphrase Tacitus, 
such people would create a desert and call it 'peace'.


> But we live in an overwhelmingly HETERO society.

Can't be helped, 'Chief'.  Sexual orientation isn't a choice.  If less 
people are gay than are heterosexual, well, that's the way it goes.  The 
key point is to ensure that gay people are treated properly - and that 
will *not* happen as a result of 'activism' like yours.


> You can NOT prove in any way I'm an obstacle to gay rights. How
> absurd!

You provide all the proof I need.  Fortunately, most people here in 
Usenet are intelligent enough not to let one bigoted crank change their 
views significantly.  Unfortunately, not everyone in the real world has 
so much about them.

 
>>In this case, your initial claim was dubious: you argued that a 
>>particular experimental finding (which may or may not have produced 
>>accurate data) was a deliberate attempt to smear gay men.  *That's*
>>what you were picked up on, and it's that simple challenge to that
>>flawed conclusion that had you raging and hurling abuse.
> 
> Incorrect, The smear campaign was DEFINITELY instigated by the SF
> Chronicle. Which they KNEW the consevative (Xian) media would take
> this false article and run with it.

"Which they knew the... media would take..."?

I'm not sure what's happening to the word 'which' at the moment - but 
it's not just you here, 'Chief'.  I thought it was a British thing, but I 
guess it must be American, too.

Still - back to the point:

> Now, the medical researchers...one could stop with the claim that they
> unintentionally released skewed data.

One could.  Occam's Razor would demand that we do, unless and until some 
evidence comes to light suggesting otherwise.  But that wouldn't serve 
your prejudices, would it?  You already *have* the evidence you need, 
supplied by your own desire for persecution.


> If such a shameless strategy works for preachers, why should other
> professions do same? After all, so MANY are scrambling for the almight
> dollar, it's very TEMPTING.

What do you do for a living, 'Chief'?

 
> The head researcher of the MRSA project, Diep, claims to be gay. In
> that case, he is your typical queer opportunist, who will stab his
> brothers in the back for profit and glory.

Ah.  So, if he was heterosexual, he'd be a gay-basher.  Since he says 
he's gay, either he's lying or he's a traitor to the cause?  How very 
predictable of you.


> EVERY minority has its underbelly, its saboteurs.

Its blinkered fanatics...  You're right, it does.


> I'm sure SOME Jews changed their religion
> to Xian, and became Nazis for the same reasons.

Maybe so.  If you can find me an example of a Jew converting to 
Christianity AND joining the Nazi party, you let me know, and we'll 
discuss it then, okay?


>>Just out of interest, which religion *should* I be, in your view?
> 
> An alternative one that fits one of the four newsgroups to which I've
> posted this thread.

That's great.  I already am.  So what, I wonder, was your point?

 
>>Assuming that's true, I don't blame him.  
> 
> Of course not, you're both in cahoots. How very convenient!

Convenient for you, certainly.  If we're in cahoots, you don't have to 
account for two independent thinkers coming to the same conclusion.  If 
we're in cahoots, you can treat both views as one view, and oppose it 
more easily (given your inclination to believe that supportive posts add 
to the logical weight of an argument).

 
> But I did! It's one of my methods of scratching the surface of those
> who aren't gay, but claim gay friendliness.

Mmm, no doubt: use rigged questions, you'll con at least a couple of 
fools into making an honest attempt to answer them.

 
>>Such questions would be: "Are you gay?"; "Have 
>>you ever suffered discrimination or abuse because you're gay?"; 
> 
> Doesn't matter WHAT gay-pertinent question I ask. He'd STILL accuse me
> of "trickery".

Try it.  Go on, try it out: ask him one or two of the questions I've 
suggested.  If he accuses you of trickery, then we'll talk about it some 
more.  But I'm not going to make judgements based on what you expect him 
to do.

Tip: if you spent more time being honest with people, they'd be more 
inclined to be honest back.  'True dat', as the young folks say.


> It's also pretty simple stuff to ask a declared gay-friendly straight,
> MY two questions. For if the answer is NO to both, he is clearly NOT
> gay friendly.

And if the answer is yes, what happens then?  You back down?  You say, 
"oh, sorry, my friend, for judging you wrongly; I can see you are 
actually gay friendly."

Have those words, or any to the same effect, *ever* issued from your 
mouth or from your keyboard?  And if the latter, can you show me where?

 
> Wait a minute, negativity was NOT assumed

Of course it was.  The questions were built on that premise.


> How absolutely phony of you! To each one, I responded with gratitude
> and respect. I even posted a POEM of mine to one, and a TALE of mine
> to another.

But still you concentrate the bulk of your energy on those you've taken a 
dislike to.

 
> Could it possibly be that you're here to sabotage my good words,
> rather than to assist other pagan heteros in defusing their
> homophobia?

Well, given that you've been accusing me of that from the start, I'd 
assume you believe it.  What *I* think my own motivations are obviously 
doesn't figure in your worldview.

 
>>You are deeply, deeply prejudiced.
> 
> You are deeply, deeply, in breeder doo-doo!

Oh?  Could you tell me about my kids, then?  I wasn't aware I had any.

Seriously: are you ever going to stop with the 'breeder' cobblers?  It's 
only an insult in the mind of a troglodyte like yourself.

 
> has any RIGHT to
> insist he should be the last word ON the gay issue.

Like I said, there's no closet here.  Ask my girlfriend.  But I'm not 
after the 'last word' anyway - I'm simply having a conversation with you.  
If you see it as a contest, that's your business.  I'm simply trying to 
point out ways in which you might improve your credibility.


> I gave ALL my reasons several times over, backed up by outside
> evidence and deduction. It was OBVIOUS from the first, when SF
> Chronicle published a bright RED map of the Castro. They DON'T do that
> to ANY other group who suffer a disease endemic to their own.

So... the colour of the map was the problem?

Or are you seriously saying that no-one ever plots occurrences of disease 
or other incidents on a map to identify clusters and possible sources, 
unless they seek to target gay people?


> Yet I HAVE provide more than ample proof that the data was skewed,
> accidently and hastily at best, and intentional at worst.

And that's my point.  So breezily you *say* "accidently and hastily at 
best", and then rule out the very possibility; preferring to assume ill-
will and deceitfulness, so that you have grounds to launch an attack on 
the people you hate.  *That's* the issue here, that's *always* been the 
issue here.  It's not a matter of whether the data was right or wrong: 
it's a matter of whether the accusations you're making can be backed up.

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Newsgroups: alt.religion.shamanism,alt.religion.wicca,alt.religion.druid,alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 22:28:32 GMT

On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 04:57:41 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>Ah - so now it's a religious issue, is it?  Funny - it wasn't, as far as 
>I was concerned.  So only Christians can tolerate gays, is that right?

Never said that. Don't you know how to read? It has been my
observation over MANY years, that Xians are not the SOLE instigators
of anti-gay bigotry. Homophobia is alive and well in alternative
religions. In SPITE of what claims they make about being gay friendly.
Pagans and atheists are barely LESS gay-hateful than Xians.

>Hardly surprising.  As I said elsewhere, I think you and I share a 
>certain masochism in common.  You certainly seem to work very hard to 
>make Usenet an unpleasant place for yourself.

Nope. Its unpleasant all unto itself. Many newsgroups have already
been destroyed and made useless by hetero porn spam. TONS of racism
and homophobia is spewed throughout most groups. Just like real life:
if you're HETERO so many things in the world cater to you. UNLIKE if
your gay and OUT.

>No, you're devoted to opposing the people *you've* decided are 'angry 
>bigots'.  This is why I point out the fact that you haven't taken the 
>time to ask a single real question of any of us.

Don't need to. The arrogant comments are markers of heterocentric
bigots. You many not be KKK material, but you ARE along the way there.

>All you're good at is attributing characteristics to people and then 
>judging them on that basis.  The only thing you've been good at here is 
>prejudice.

Sure. Keep believing that.

>If it weren't so pointless it'd be quite clever.

Certainly YOU have a point: at the top of your hetero head!

>I acknowledge their presence - I don't acknowledge their relevance.  

You couldn't acknowledge your way out of a paper bag.

>If so many people believe something, it must be true.  

Nope. That's a tool of homophobes. If enough breeders say queers are a
pox on humanity, everyone comes to believe it! That's how holocausts
begin.

>because there are more posters 
>than me disagreeing with you.

Four or five, that's it. Because they spew COUNTLESS messages, with
intent to make it appear a whole ARMY is against me! The ones who
support me do not make a deal over posting more than one or two
comments. They understand that QUALITY always supercedes QUANTITY.


>Could you provide a reference, please?  I wasn't aware that I'd said any 
>such thing.

Download the thread. You'll find it. I'm not here to assist my
opponents. Too many queer turncoats already do that!

>But you haven't once asked me a crucial question pertaining to that, have 
>you?  You don't *need* to, because you've already got all the information 
>you need, right there in your head.  That's why you're prejudiced.

You confuse insight for prejudice. Just because you can't read between
the lines, and discern people's intentions by what they DON'T say as
much as what they DO say, doesn't mean NO ONE ELSE can't either! So
besides not NEEDING to ask such questions 'cause the answers are
already obvious: Why ask questions I know you'll LIE about anyway?

>Do you think?  I'll tell you something: you're *helping* it.  Do you 
>really think attitudes like yours benefit the people you claim to be 
>fighting for?  Consciously or not, you're working hard to create more 
>friction, more distrust, more hatred.  

Bull dung. The intense hatred and violence have been there all along,
there is NOTHING that could make things worse for gays. We have
nothing to lose at this point, and everything to GAIN by aggressive
forms of civil dissent.

>You're like a religious militant 
>who won't tolerate any other outlook but his own. 

You don't get it, do you? I'm MIRRORING society's hatred, reflecting
it BACK. Fighting fire with fire. My enemies are the enemies of all
gay people, and they play DIRTY. There is NO rule that says we queers
can't fight dirty right back. All's fair in love and WAR.

We do NOT need to hope some day, keeping our fingers crossed, that
enough heteros will decide gays can get married, and then VOTE
permission that we can. We queers can WREST hetero power from the
hands of society and run the show ourSELVES.

I'm simply INSPIRING my gay brother by example, and how to fight fire
with fire even BETTER than the enemy. Such strategy was how the allied
forces beat down the Nazi empire. That SAME strategy, I have
concluded, is the ONLY method at this point, that will gain gays their
freedom.

Business as usual may work for HETERO minorities, but it WON'T for
queers. The system is hopelessly RIGGED against us. So we CAN'T win
our rights through the ballot or marches or the usual forms of civil
dissent. We must learn how to throw monkey wrenches into the system,
at the most strategic moments. And it can ALL be done w/o shedding a
drop of blod or any kind of violence. But AGGRESSIVE we must be, and
SABOTAGE we must.

>Such people continue 
>to fight (and I do mean fight) for 'equality' until they gain absolute 
>superiority, with no differing views tolerated.  To paraphrase Tacitus, 
>such people would create a desert and call it 'peace'.

A more appropriate word is "Amerika".

>Can't be helped, 'Chief'.  Sexual orientation isn't a choice.  If less 
>people are gay than are heterosexual, well, that's the way it goes.

But that's pure bullshit. The MAJORITY of people are bisexual, around
80%. Only 10% are wholly hetero, just as just 10% are entirely
homosexual. But when society PRESSURES men to act matcho and straight,
it is EASY for bisexuals to PRETEND hetero. So when you include
bisexuals along with gays under the "queer" umbrella, we are speaking
then of NINETY PERCENT of the world's population being non-hetero.

The issue then, is NOT one of a gay minority in the shadow of an
overwheling breeder majority. Indeed, the issue is ACTUALLY one of
egregious HYPOCRISY played out by the vast MAJORITY...who've been
teerorized into pretending they're hetero.

Therefore the MAJORITY of men who claim straight are LIARS.


>most people here in Usenet are intelligent 

Hardly. It's a cybership of fools, with a few islands scattered here
and there of DECENT folk. Just like the real world.




enough not to let one bigoted crank change their 
>views significantly.  Unfortunately, not everyone in the real world has 
>so much about them.
>
> 
>>>In this case, your initial claim was dubious: you argued that a 
>>>particular experimental finding (which may or may not have produced 
>>>accurate data) was a deliberate attempt to smear gay men.  *That's*
>>>what you were picked up on, and it's that simple challenge to that
>>>flawed conclusion that had you raging and hurling abuse.
>> 
>> Incorrect, The smear campaign was DEFINITELY instigated by the SF
>> Chronicle. Which they KNEW the consevative (Xian) media would take
>> this false article and run with it.
>
>"Which they knew the... media would take..."?
>
>I'm not sure what's happening to the word 'which' at the moment - but 
>it's not just you here, 'Chief'.  I thought it was a British thing, but I 
>guess it must be American, too.
>
>Still - back to the point:
>
>> Now, the medical researchers...one could stop with the claim that they
>> unintentionally released skewed data.
>
>One could.  Occam's Razor would demand that we do, unless and until some 
>evidence comes to light suggesting otherwise.  But that wouldn't serve 
>your prejudices, would it?  You already *have* the evidence you need, 
>supplied by your own desire for persecution.
>
>
>> If such a shameless strategy works for preachers, why should other
>> professions do same? After all, so MANY are scrambling for the almight
>> dollar, it's very TEMPTING.

>What do you do for a living, 'Chief'?

I've lived on disability funds most of my life. That allows me the
freedom to dedicate myself as an activist. My talents also include
writing fiction, non-fiction, poems, letters, essay. See my blog for
examples. Hopefully, my opus "Steal This Blog" (composed of two books,
one a work in progress for a while longer) will bring in the money,
freeing me from any gov't stipends. Here's the URL

http://www.gay-bible.org/steal

It is free for anyone to read and share. What monies I make will be
the result of spinoff opportunites (lectures, open-mic readings,
publications of my other writings, for examples).

>Ah.  So, if he was heterosexual, he'd be a gay-basher.  Since he says 
>he's gay, either he's lying or he's a traitor to the cause?  How very 
>predictable of you.

The nature of homophobia is very predictable. Just the way it goes.

>Maybe so.  If you can find me an example of a Jew converting to 
>Christianity AND joining the Nazi party, you let me know, and we'll 
>discuss it then, okay?

MANY Jews Xianized their names to be spared Nazi misery. 

>Convenient for you, certainly.  If we're in cahoots, you don't have to 
>account for two independent thinkers coming to the same conclusion.  If 
>we're in cahoots, you can treat both views as one view, and oppose it 
>more easily (given your inclination to believe that supportive posts add 
>to the logical weight of an argument).

Both of you (and a few others) essentially parade the same
heterocentric party line. NO variations whatsoever. You make my
mission a breeze.

>Try it.  Go on, try it out: ask him one or two of the questions I've 
>suggested.  If he accuses you of trickery, then we'll talk about it some 
>more.  But I'm not going to make judgements based on what you expect him 
>to do.

Well, since you KNOW very well he's reading this, of course, he'll
behave in any way that makes me look bad. So your suggestion is a
setup or IOW: "rigged".

>Tip: if you spent more time being honest with people, they'd be more 
>inclined to be honest back.

There is VERY little honesty among people, especially breeders, when
the gay issue is brought up. "Faggot" is their MOST common invective,
BTW.

> 'True dat', as the young folks say.

Nope, not at all. Furthermore, I AM honest, but it brings me tons of
angered reactions. That is because my focus is on breaking down walls,
which people don't realize are there. They PERSIST in maintaining
bigoted viewpoints against gays, of the most violent sort. And since
they have majority advance, with the backing of both church AND gov't,
they continue to terrorize, marginalize, and trivialize gays...being
the bullies they are.

Harassment in schools of gay students has INCREASED, and calling other
kids "faggot" is the most frequent word of abuse. MOST teacher pretend
it's not happening, usually because of their OWN anti-gay prejudice.

Human nature: scapegoating. And gays have been successfully
scapegoated for many centuries. Why stop a good thing, eh?

>And if the answer is yes, what happens then?  You back down?  You say, 
>"oh, sorry, my friend, for judging you wrongly; I can see you are 
>actually gay friendly."

Boy, you must be stupid to think I'm stupider than you! May as well
ask a skinhead if he loves Jews. He might say "yes" to your face, but
he'll be laughin' behind your back.

>Have those words, or any to the same effect, *ever* issued from your 
>mouth or from your keyboard?  And if the latter, can you show me where?

Give it up, Lulu!

>Well, given that you've been accusing me of that from the start, I'd 
>assume you believe it.  What *I* think my own motivations are obviously 
>doesn't figure in your worldview.

You've had PLENTY of time to describe your real motivaitions. If you
haven't done so by now, you never will. Anywayz, your motivations are
rather obvious, and I've addressed them already.

>Oh?  Could you tell me about my kids, then?  I wasn't aware I had any.

Breeder is a state of mind, as much as it is an arm of the state.

>Seriously: are you ever going to stop with the 'breeder' cobblers?  It's 
>only an insult in the mind of a troglodyte like yourself.

We have so few words of insult against hetero boors, and so many
against decent gays. The English language is stacked UNFAIRLY to a
great degree, in favor of hetero dogma. Sure wish there WERE more
curse-type words specifically targeting breeders. THAT would be a
balance of justice!

>It's not a matter of whether the data was right or wrong: 
>it's a matter of whether the accusations you're making can be backed up.

No, it's not just a matter of the data. It's a matter of why they
proceded in this manner, and why the SF Chronicle intentionally
demonized gays...KNOWING the devasting impact it will probably have in
the long run.




-- 
Steal This Blog!
http://www.gay-bible.org/steal

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Newsgroups: alt.religion.shamanism,alt.religion.wicca,alt.religion.druid,alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 13:25:25 -0600

chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :

> Never said that. Don't you know how to read? It has been my
> observation over MANY years, that Xians are not the SOLE instigators
> of anti-gay bigotry. Homophobia is alive and well in alternative
> religions. In SPITE of what claims they make about being gay friendly.
> Pagans and atheists are barely LESS gay-hateful than Xians.

So we can add religious prejudice to your collection.

 
>>Hardly surprising.  As I said elsewhere, I think you and I share a 
>>certain masochism in common.  You certainly seem to work very hard to 
>>make Usenet an unpleasant place for yourself.
> 
> Nope. Its unpleasant all unto itself. Many newsgroups have already
> been destroyed and made useless by hetero porn spam.

The Internet was *built* on 'hetero porn spam'.  It seems a bit odd to be 
complaining about it as though it's something new.


> TONS of racism and homophobia is spewed throughout most groups.

Certainly is.  'Heterophobia', too - just like you peddle.


> Just like real life:
> if you're HETERO so many things in the world cater to you. UNLIKE if
> your gay and OUT.

Funny, I've never got that.  Admittedly, if you're gay and aggressive and 
in everyone's face then people are going to get a bit cheesed off - just 
like if you're religious and are shoving it down someone's throat.  Now, 
that's not to say that anti-gay prejudice doesn't happen - I know it does.  
But it's interesting to note that you only started really copping flak when 
you started doing the angry militant thing.

My point here isn't that gay people should just shut up (though no doubt 
you'll try to represent my comments in that light); but that what happens 
in some places isn't necessarily happening everywhere.  Still, if you set 
out expecting a fight, and decide to get your retaliation in first, 99 
times out of 100 you'll find the fight you were expecting.

 
> Don't need to. The arrogant comments are markers of heterocentric
> bigots. You many not be KKK material, but you ARE along the way there.

I held off invoking Godwin's Law the last time you tried to bring the Nazis 
and the KKK into it.

 
>>All you're good at is attributing characteristics to people and then 
>>judging them on that basis.  The only thing you've been good at here
>>is prejudice.
> 
> Sure. Keep believing that.

I do.


>>If it weren't so pointless it'd be quite clever.
> 
> Certainly YOU have a point: at the top of your hetero head!

Genius.  Pure, unmitigated genius.  What was it you said in the last post?  
You have a 'gift for writing"?  Well, you've certainly shown that here.

 
>>because there are more posters 
>>than me disagreeing with you.
> 
> Four or five, that's it.

One, three, twelve - doesn't matter.  Because your argument - that support 
equals verification - doesn't hold.  A thousand people agreeing with me 
wouldn't make me right if I was wrong.  In this case, the few people you've 
grabbed as your 'supporters' (notably quiet though they are) don't make you 
right.


>>Could you provide a reference, please?  I wasn't aware that I'd said
>>any such thing.
> 
> Download the thread. You'll find it. I'm not here to assist my
> opponents.

We'll put that one down to a hopeful lie on your part that didn't quite 
work out, then.


> Why ask questions I know you'll LIE about anyway?

Bingo: that's exactly my point.  You pretend your loaded questions are 
honest, and now admit that you've already made your mind up before you 
*ask* any questions.  Which is what I've been trying to explain to you for 
some time now.

 
> You don't get it, do you? I'm MIRRORING society's hatred, reflecting
> it BACK.

A weak rationalisation for the fact that you don't have it in you to rise 
above the level of the people you condemn.  You make yourself like them, 
skulk about at their level, and then claim you're making a conscious choice 
to 'mirror' them.  The truth is, you're simply no better than them.  That's 
not activism.  That's not having an impact.  The people who make a 
difference are the people who can rise from the status quo and show the 
way.


> I'm simply INSPIRING my gay brother by example

Your example is a degenerate one - simplistic and small-minded.  There 
will, no doubt, be some who follow it, simply because it will validate 
their own desire to strike out in hatred.


> Therefore the MAJORITY of men who claim straight are LIARS.

So speaks militant anti-heterosexual propaganda.  A person's sexuality is 
their own affair, and if someone tells me they are straight then they are 
straight until they tell me, or unambiguously show me, otherwise.
 
I do not presume to dictate other people's sexuality based on my own 
prejudices.

 
> Hardly. It's a cybership of fools, with a few islands scattered here
> and there of DECENT folk. Just like the real world.

Yet you spend your time here, supposedly pursuing your magnificant agenda 
of activism, rather than out in the real world where things might be more 
difficult for you.

As a wise man once said, who's the more foolish - the fool, or the fool who 
follows him?
 

>>What do you do for a living, 'Chief'?
> 
> I've lived on disability funds most of my life.

Noted.


> That allows me the freedom to dedicate myself as an activist.

And that you do by turning up on Usenet behaving like a spoilt infant?  My, 
I'm sure the gay working population of America is delighted that their 
hard-earned dollars are going to fund your activities.


> My talents also include
> writing fiction, non-fiction, poems, letters, essay. See my blog for
> examples.

I'm not interested in your talents, or your blog.  I'm interested in how 
you comport yourself in debate here and now.  So far, there's not been a 
glimpse of the skill you repeatedly boast of.


>>Maybe so.  If you can find me an example of a Jew converting to 
>>Christianity AND joining the Nazi party, you let me know, and we'll 
>>discuss it then, okay?
> 
> MANY Jews Xianized their names to be spared Nazi misery. 

Like I said:

If you can find me an example of a Jew converting to Christianity AND 
joining the Nazi party, you let me know, and we'll discuss it then, okay?


> Both of you (and a few others) essentially parade the same
> heterocentric party line. NO variations whatsoever. You make my
> mission a breeze.

Then why, I wonder, are you finding it so hard to accomplish it?

 
> Well, since you KNOW very well he's reading this, of course, he'll
> behave in any way that makes me look bad. So your suggestion is a
> setup or IOW: "rigged".

I've already seen how you squirm out of asking the questions.  The simple 
point is that by refusing to do so you make my point: your prejudice makes 
such questioning unnecessary - you already know all you want to know.


>>Tip: if you spent more time being honest with people, they'd be more 
>>inclined to be honest back.
> 
> There is VERY little honesty among people, especially breeders, when
> the gay issue is brought up. "Faggot" is their MOST common invective,
> BTW.

Just as 'breeder' is yours?


> Nope, not at all. Furthermore, I AM honest, but it brings me tons of
> angered reactions.

There's honest, and then there's abusive.  'I speak as I find, me' is 
something I hear so often from people attempting to justify abusiveness, or 
even simple lack of courtesy.  Honesty is a noble virtue - but employing it 
only when you wish to justify hostility is a violation of it.


>>And if the answer is yes, what happens then?  You back down?  You say,
>>"oh, sorry, my friend, for judging you wrongly; I can see you are 
>>actually gay friendly."
> 
> Boy, you must be stupid to think I'm stupider than you! May as well
> ask a skinhead if he loves Jews. He might say "yes" to your face, but
> he'll be laughin' behind your back.

So, in other words, if someone answers yes to your honestly-asked question, 
you'd assume he (or she) was lying?  Precisely what I said.


>>Have those words, or any to the same effect, *ever* issued from your 
>>mouth or from your keyboard?  And if the latter, can you show me
>>where? 
> 
> Give it up, Lulu!

That'll be a pitiful 'no', then.

 
>>Oh?  Could you tell me about my kids, then?  I wasn't aware I had any.
> 
> Breeder is a state of mind, as much as it is an arm of the state.

Ah!  A 'state of mind'.  In other words, it's an insult you're going to 
cling to regardless of little details like whether or not someone actually 
*is* a 'breeder'.

Pitiful.

 
> We have so few words of insult against hetero boors

So it would seem, since you appear able to find only one.

So you think 'justice' would be served not by *stopping* abuse in either 
direction, but by generating *more* abusive language for gay people to use 
against heterosexuals?

I think that says more about you than I could say in a thousand more posts 
- and with equally little chance of persuading you to grow up.

So, with that in mind, and with far more time already wasted on you than 
your pathetic hatemongering is worth, I'll address your doubts about 
whether I'm capable of killfiling you.  You may squawk on unheeded.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 22:38:25 GMT

On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 13:25:25 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>So we can add religious prejudice to your collection.

Truthful observation is a FAR CRY from prejudice. To my dismay, I have
learned over these last ten years, just how HOMOPHOBIC many pagans
are...yet they keep pointing their fingers at Xians as the lone cause
of anti-gay bigotry.

Your continued sophistry in our discussions only makes you the obvious
loser...and bigot.

>The Internet was *built* on 'hetero porn spam'.  It seems a bit odd to be 
>complaining about it as though it's something new.

Yet MORE sophistry. Anyone is free to do at search on the history of
the Internet, to see how badly you err.

You OBVIOULSY skew what I say in a ludicrous attempt to make YOUR
silly responses look like the truth. Sophist!

>Certainly is.  'Heterophobia', too - just like you peddle.

--excerpt from "Bisexual Politics = Vampires on the Blood of Gay
Rights" [ www.gay-bible.org/write/4_bisexual.htm ]:

I don't buy into this heterophobia theory, one
bit. Any gay who does, already reveals his own self betrayal,
hypocrisy, and lack of pride. To accuse a gay person of
heterophobia (or biphobia), is like accusing a concentration
camp survivor of Naziphobia.

As far as the terms "biphobia" and "heterophobia"...they are
invalid because nonexistant.  Whatever disgust a gay person
shows towards bi's and straights is founded on truth, not
illusion...and homophobia possesses such extensive dimensions
of hatred, violence, and ignorance...that to even accuse a
gay person of either biphobia or heterophobia is in itself a
homophobic manipulation.

Biphobia is a crock.  So's heterophobia.  Homophobia, on the
other hand, is real.

A "phobia" is any unjustified fear or hatred.  From Random
House Dictionary:

pho+bi+a (fO_bEE uh)  n. pl. <-bi+as>
     1.  a persistent, irrational fear of a specific object,
activity, or situation that leads to a compelling desire to
avoid it.

Homophobia is totally unjustified.  It is a violent and cruel
act of persecution to a vulnerable group of people.  Ergo,
homophobia *is* a true phobia.

Fear and hatred of heterosexuals is quite real, as so many
are homophobic...and often difficult to discern which ones
aren't.  In our heterosexist society, no gay person can
safely be himself or herself--anwhere in our nation--without
the persistant threat of being murdered, beat up, job loss,
housing loss, or a number of other hostile responses.

"Biphobia" is a clever term created by the so-called bisexual
political movement.  Bisexual politics in large part, plays
on homophobia to create their own distinct identity...while
coyly pretending not to be homophobic in the least.  They
take the hard-earned achievements of lesbian/thracian rights,
and turn it into their own...rather than bravely participate
directly in the gay movement.  For the only real problem
bisexuals have in society, is their desire for homosexual
expression...they have *no* problem being accepted for their
heterosexual passions.  In a nutshell: Gays sacrifice their
lives for a better world, and bisexuals lick up the blood to
slake their thirst.

Bisexuals often portray their dual sexual drive as "perfect",
contrasting that with homosexuality, which is implied as
discriminatory to the opposite sex.  As if sexual arousal
were proof of acceptance towards another...in truth, it is
only an itch for selfish pleasure, and is often used by
heterosexists to justify a sexual act that is legally seen as
rape.

Every incidence of violence against bisexuals has always been
a form of homophobia.  Just because the victim happens to be
bisexual, does not make the hate crime biphobic.  Beware, gay
people:  any bisexual who *insists* that biphobia is real, is
homophobic, and should not be trusted, ever.  Any real
fighter for gay rights--who is bisexual or hetero--has no
difficulty participating in same-sex civil rights without
feeling a need to create a separate political entity...that
is, "bisexual politics".  Bisexuality is real, but is not a
valid political movement.

If heterophobia (or biphobia) were real, we'd having roving
gangs of queers bashing straights (or bi's), queer property
owners evicting them, and queer employers firing them. None
of this is the case. But if you insist heterophobia is real,
by pointing out the occassional slur a gay might make about
straights...then you are equating an action that is so
ridculously mild as to be harmless, with another action that
is deplorably brutal and malicious. In other words, you
would be homophobic yourself.

--end of excerpt

>Funny, I've never got that.  Admittedly, if you're gay and aggressive and 
>in everyone's face then people are going to get a bit cheesed off - just 
>like if you're religious and are shoving it down someone's throat. 

No, NOT just like. Try again, sophist!

>Now, 
>that's not to say that anti-gay prejudice doesn't happen - I know it does.  
>But it's interesting to note that you only started really copping flak when 
>you started doing the angry militant thing.

Not at all. I only decide to become AGGRESSIVE after years and years
of seeing respect towards gays deteriorate ever since Clinton signed
DOMA, and getting much WORSE once Dubya took over. More people than
before holler "faggot" in public, including right here in Gay Mecca.
AND anti-gay violence has sharply INCREASED, with no small help from
churches and mosques.

I've had many people snarl at me and attack me, simply for telling
them I'm a gay activist, after they asked what I do for a living. So
NO, you're completely WRONG, and you KNOW it because I already
explained CLEARLY where I'm coming from.

I am now AGGRESSIVE because that is the ONLY way we'll turn things
around at this point...unless of course queers are willing to
VOLUNTARILY walk into concentration camps by order of their hetero
overlords.

I SET AN EXAMPLE of how gays can better regain respect and true
freedom. We MUST be aggressive (short of violence) and we MUST stop
looking the other way whenever we are insulted, threatened, and
declared VERMIN to the human race by politicians and religious
leaders.

>My point here isn't that gay people should just shut up (though no doubt 
>you'll try to represent my comments in that light); but that what happens 
>in some places isn't necessarily happening everywhere.  

It's HAPPENING big time in MOST nations, including the "gay
friendliest" nation in the world: Holland. Not to mention ALL of
Islam, Latin America, Africa, the U.S., Eastern Europe, Russia and
China.

No, I agree, homophobia has NOT reared its ugly head everywhere. Just
MOST everywhere. Why? Because it's been there all along, just like
antisemitism prior to the rise of Nazi Germany.

>Still, if you set 
>out expecting a fight, and decide to get your retaliation in first, 99 
>times out of 100 you'll find the fight you were expecting.

Sophistry once more. I have been THREATENED and ATTACKED numerous
times with NO intent to fight, NO expectation of maliciousness. It was
only after experiencing this DIRECT hatred for my gay proclivities
continued over and over no matter where I went, that I decided to
fight fire with fire.

>I held off invoking Godwin's Law the last time you tried to bring the Nazis 
>and the KKK into it.

Godwin's law is a crock. The Nazi regime still lives, still is a
warning to the world, and still is IMPORTANT to use as a standard of
the WORST that could happen. The ONLY time Godwin's law should be
invoked, is when it is used FLIPPANTLY. But when used as a historical
example, it's still totally legit.

Godwin's Law is NOT part of the official netiquette standards, BTW.

>Genius.  Pure, unmitigated genius.  What was it you said in the last post?  
>You have a 'gift for writing"?  Well, you've certainly shown that here.

One sentence out of a million. Why does the phrase "grasping at
straws" come to mind? Read "Steal This Blog" before you know ANYthing
about my writing skills. Usenet is not exactly Literary Central.

>One, three, twelve - doesn't matter.  Because your argument - that support 
>Bingo: that's exactly my point.  You pretend your loaded questions are 
>honest, and now admit that you've already made your mind up before you 
>*ask* any questions.  Which is what I've been trying to explain to you for 
>some time now.

Nope. They ARE honest question. To corner a breeder liberal regarding
all his generous charity donations by asking him if he INCLUDES
donating to a gay cause, is MOST appropriate, and and EXCELLENT way of
uncovering truth. You should SEE how many of these kind go into a SNIT
when I confront them in this fair manner. This thread is but the
latest example.

>A weak rationalisation for the fact that you don't have it in you to rise 
>above the level of the people you condemn.  You make yourself like them, 

So YOU insiste, sophist! But your simply WRONG Madge, simply WRONG.

>The people who make a 
>difference are the people who can rise from the status quo and show the 
>way.

Oh, so you AGREE that the status quo is largely homophobic! Gotcha!
That's the point I've been making all along, which you've resisted
every inch of the way. NOW, you admit my correctness without even
realizing it. I'm very GOOD at drawing the truth out of liars.

>Your example is a degenerate one - simplistic and small-minded.  There 
>will, no doubt, be some who follow it, simply because it will validate 
>their own desire to strike out in hatred.

There will soon be MANY who follow my example...because it is TRUTH.
Far above and beyond what any BREEDER thugs claim!

>So speaks militant anti-heterosexual propaganda.  

You don't have to be militant to be anti-heterosexual.
Heterocentrism's bastard violence speaks for itself.

>A person's sexuality is their own affair, 

NOT when a hetero majority JUSTIFIES violence against non-heteros, by
virtue of their "deemed superior" sexuality. You WOULD obfuscate
people to believe otherwise, in order to keep queers in a constant
state of terror and misery.

PLUS: most who claim heterosexuality are LIARS, since 80% of all
humans born are bisexual. It is living in a society that TERRORIZES
people into acting "straight" that forces most (even many gays, still)
to convince everyone they're actually hetero.

THUS there is no way a person's sexuality should be his or her own
affair. NOT when this is WAR, and MANY suffer directly or indirectly
the TERRORISM this puts on us all (whether we realize it or not).

There is NO privacy left in any other matter, thanks to technology. So
why should BREEDERS be exempt from invasion of their bedrooms, when
THEY persist in shoving their ugly noses up our queer ASSCRACKS every
chance they get?

No, sexuality is NOT a private affair...at least, not as long as we
queers continue to have OUR privacy violent, especially with such
TERROR and VIOLENCE simply for loving another of the same sex.

>I do not presume to dictate other people's sexuality based on my own 
>prejudices.

LIAR.

>Yet you spend your time here, supposedly pursuing your magnificant agenda 
>of activism, rather than out in the real world where things might be more 
>difficult for you.

I do BOTH real world and cyberspace. After all, don't you? HYPOCRITE.

>As a wise man once said, who's the more foolish - the fool, or the fool who 
>follows him?

Which wise man? And how do you know he's wise? Just because others
claim he is? 'Cause obviously YOU can be NO judge of wisdom.

>And that you do by turning up on Usenet behaving like a spoilt infant?  My, 
>I'm sure the gay working population of America is delighted that their 
>hard-earned dollars are going to fund your activities.

Yet one MORE form of bigotry you manifest. SOME who "work" for a
living totally SUPPORT my agenda. Because they can't afford the TIME
to dissent and research and speak out, like I can. I AM their voice.
Those working fools who HATE me are limited by their own right-wing,
conformist blinders.

>I'm not interested in your talents, or your blog.  

Well you OUGHT to be, since you are curious about my lifestyle and my
philosophy.

>I'm interested in how 
>you comport yourself in debate here and now.  So far, there's not been a 
>glimpse of the skill you repeatedly boast of.

I am not focused on writing a book or even an ESSAY, here in Usenet.
You use a straw man to bolster your erroneous claims. Sophistry!

>If you can find me an example of a Jew converting to Christianity AND 
>joining the Nazi party, you let me know, and we'll discuss it then, okay?

That is common knowledge of WWII history. I have NO interest in
digging up references for you. Find 'em yourself. Just as some gays
betray their own brothers due to heterocentric terrorism, SOME Jews
became Xians and/or Nazis.

>Then why, I wonder, are you finding it so hard to accomplish it?

I have NO difficulty in this matter.

>I've already seen how you squirm out of asking the questions.  

Saying so doesn't make it so.

>So, in other words, if someone answers yes to your honestly-asked question, 
>you'd assume he (or she) was lying?  Precisely what I said.

Depends on the context. But I AM very well informed on the devious
nature of breeders.

>Ah!  A 'state of mind'.  In other words, it's an insult you're going to 
>cling to regardless of little details like whether or not someone actually 
>*is* a 'breeder'.

MANY people without children (including back stabbing queers) peddle
the breeder mentality. For example, they attack or condemn those who
live an outspokenly non-hetero life. That, BTW, is the ORIGINAL intent
for gays using the word "breeder".

>So it would seem, since you appear able to find only one.

Even "breeder" does NOT match the harshness, the years of violence,
behind words like "faggot", "queer", "fudge packer", "sodomite" ad
infinitum.

The language is tremendously BIASED in favor of breeders and AGAINST
non-heteros.

>So you think 'justice' would be served not by *stopping* abuse in either 
>direction, but by generating *more* abusive language for gay people to use 
>against heterosexuals?

Fighting fire with fire is NECESSARY at this point. For, like Neville
Chamberlain to the Nazis, we queers have tried EVERY passive tactic
possible. Or only choice now IS aggressive strategies short of
violence. Yes, coming up with equally abusive terms WILL help level
the playing field, and accomplish getting MORE breeders to back off,
and even respect us.

Like whacking a bullying flat to the concrete several times, before he
finally stops beating up smaller guys. He'll even RESPECT them.

>So, with that in mind, and with far more time already wasted on you than 
>your pathetic hatemongering is worth, I'll address your doubts about 
>whether I'm capable of killfiling you.  You may squawk on unheeded.

GOOD riddance, hetero fart!


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 23:24:33 -0700

[How many times can zeke use a word which he fails to comprehend?  Answer
below]:

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
>  Midwinter  wrote:
>
> >So we can add religious prejudice to your collection.
>
> ... sophistry
>
> Yet MORE sophistry.

> Sophist!
>
>
> No, NOT just like. Try again, sophist!
>
>
> Sophistry once more.
>
> So YOU insiste, sophist! But your simply WRONG
>
> You use a straw man to bolster your erroneous claims. Sophistry!
>

Seven times - and in every instance, misapplied.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 23:57:01 -0700

"Seamus"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:

> > [How many times can zeke use a word which he fails to comprehend?
Answer
> > below]:

> 
>
> > Seven times - and in every instance, misapplied.
>
> That was friggin' AWESOME! Next, on another heart-stopping edition of
> "When Whiny Emo Douche Bottles Attack (Usenet Edition)", Zeke will
> attempt to call sarchasm a homophobe in a vain, hopeless attempt at
> obtaining relevance.

Bahahaha.  Maybe he'd really freak-out if you asked, sprechen sie Deutsch?



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 08:11:30 GMT

On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 23:57:01 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>Bahahaha.  Maybe he'd really freak-out if you asked, sprechen sie Deutsch?

Wrong again, breeder faggot!


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 08:11:14 GMT

On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 23:24:33 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>Seven times - and in every instance, misapplied.

Wrong again, breeder faggot!


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 16:38:11 -0700

"Midwinter"  wrote:
> chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :
>
> >>Or, presumably, when you judge them to be homophobic without taking
> >>even a moment to ask them their point of view?
> >
> > Well, I did...but then I got accused of asking "trick" questions.
>
> You were asking rigged questions, as sarchasm pointed out.  You
> understand what a rigged question is yet?  The classic would be, "when
> did you stop beating your partner" - you must be aware that such
> questions are fundamentally dishonest?  I'll need to demonstrate why
> further down, no doubt.
>

Zeke-who-wishes-he-were-Thracian has shown that he disregards such things
when they disagree with his delusions.  One could ask him rigged questions
to demonstrate them further but, only others who haven't by now, would get
it.

>
> > That's because MOST of my time spent in newsgroups is to challenge
> > stereotype notions among alternative, non-Xian types
>
> Ah - so now it's a religious issue, is it?  Funny - it wasn't, as far as
> I was concerned.  So only Christians can tolerate gays, is that right?
>

At a guess, it would seem zeke expects *generic* pagans to be more tolerant
of gays and, by extension, of his intolerance of anyone who doesn't toerlate
his extremism.

>
>
> > As an acitivist, I am
> > devoted to political issues, which usually foment opposing views from
> > angry bigots.
>
> No, you're devoted to opposing the people *you've* decided are 'angry
> bigots'.  This is why I point out the fact that you haven't taken the
> time to ask a single real question of any of us.
>
>
> > Seeing as I'm a LEFT-WING activist, as well as a gay
> > activist.
>
> I don't really care about 'left' and 'right'.  They're so overused they
> don't really mean anything any more.

Elsewhere in this thread, zeke makes it clear that his agenda is to 'take
over'.

>
>
>
> Similarly, for the sake of balance (which I do try to do, regardless of
> your preconceptions), the presence of opposing comments doesn't in itself
> mean that you're wrong.  If your argument about supportive comments has
> merit, then it should work both ways - because there are more posters
> than me disagreeing with you.
>
> But it doesn't.  What makes you right or wrong is whether you're in
> possession of the correct facts; whether you correctly interpret those
> facts; whether your conclusions based on those facts are logically valid;
> whether you make your arguments rationally, calmly and honestly; and
> whether you find out about people before judging them.  Those are the key
> points here, and so far you've failed on all counts, support or not.
>
>
> 'Chief', I'm not *annoyed* by your approach.  I'm pointing out its
> absolute lack of merit, and the fact that, due to your closed-mindedness,
> aggressiveness and prejudice, you're a hindrance to the cause you claim
> to be fighting for.
>
> I can't speak for whether anyone else is annoyed.  As I said previously,
> I think it's more likely that you amuse people.

The United States can be said to be annoyed with Iran.

>
>
>
> But you haven't once asked me a crucial question pertaining to that, have
> you?  You don't *need* to, because you've already got all the information
> you need, right there in your head.  That's why you're prejudiced.
>
>  Do you
> really think attitudes like yours benefit the people you claim to be
> fighting for?  Consciously or not, you're working hard to create more
> friction, more distrust, more hatred.  You're like a religious militant
> who won't tolerate any other outlook but his own.  Such people continue
> to fight (and I do mean fight) for 'equality' until they gain absolute
> superiority, with no differing views tolerated.  To paraphrase Tacitus,
> such people would create a desert and call it 'peace'.
>
>
> > You can NOT prove in any way I'm an obstacle to gay rights. How
> > absurd!
>
> You provide all the proof I need.  Fortunately, most people here in
> Usenet are intelligent enough not to let one bigoted crank change their
> views significantly.  Unfortunately, not everyone in the real world has
> so much about them.
>
>  [re: rigged questions]:
> >>Assuming that's true, I don't blame him.
> >
> > Of course not, you're both in cahoots. How very convenient!
>
> Convenient for you, certainly.  If we're in cahoots, you don't have to
> account for two independent thinkers coming to the same conclusion.  If
> we're in cahoots, you can treat both views as one view, and oppose it
> more easily (given your inclination to believe that supportive posts add
> to the logical weight of an argument).
>

Instead of trying to address the content of the posts, he claims individual
posters are in 'cahoots' as a convenient evasion.  If we're not in
collusion, his conspiracy theory falls flat.  It is unthinkable for him that
two or more posters rationally dissent with his illogical arguments.

>
> > But I did! It's one of my methods of scratching the surface of those
> > who aren't gay, but claim gay friendliness.
>
> Mmm, no doubt: use rigged questions, you'll con at least a couple of
> fools into making an honest attempt to answer them.

Yes, have you got more rigged questions, zeke?

>
>
> > Doesn't matter WHAT gay-pertinent question I ask. He'd STILL accuse me
> > of "trickery".
>
> Try it.  Go on, try it out: ask him one or two of the questions I've
> suggested.  If he accuses you of trickery, then we'll talk about it some
> more.  But I'm not going to make judgements based on what you expect him
> to do.

Having been induced to lower my expectations of zeke, he should be obliged
in turn to raise his.

>
>
> > Wait a minute, negativity was NOT assumed
>
> Of course it was.  The questions were built on that premise.
>
Exactly.  The preconceived notions and prejudice were inherent in the
questions.  Alternatively, very few questions lack this inherency.




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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:43:02 GMT

On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 16:38:11 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>Zeke-who-wishes-he-were-Thracian 

I AM Thracian in spirit. And THAT'S what counts.

>At a guess, it would seem zeke expects *generic* pagans to be more tolerant
>of gays and, by extension, of his intolerance of anyone who doesn't toerlate
>his extremism.

Yet one MORE incorrect guess by a breeder pinhead who thinks he's
SUPERIOR to gays. What "extremism" I possess doesn't even come CLOSE
to your breeder ARROGANCE.

>Elsewhere in this thread, zeke makes it clear that his agenda is to 'take
>over'.

Right. One characteristic ALL homophobes seem to have in common, is a
complete LACK of sense of humor, when it comes to gays.

>Instead of trying to address the content of the posts, he claims individual
>posters are in 'cahoots' as a convenient evasion.  

Wrong again. SOME posters have ganged up on me...quite TYPICAL of
homophobes against gay posters.

>If we're not in collusion, his conspiracy theory falls flat.  

But you ARE in cahoots, as evidenced by those posters who've all
treated the SF Chronicle's bigoted MRSA article with adulation.

Thus making it EASY for me to identify the homophobes, and DENOUNCE
them.

>It is unthinkable for him that
>two or more posters rationally dissent with his illogical arguments.

There MIGHT be some truth in that, IF (and ONLY if) these same
dissenters were not licking the SF Chronicle's asses...even AFTER
outside evidence came in as to their anti-gay bias.

>Yes, have you got more rigged questions, zeke?

The only SEEM rigged to a guilty conscience.

>Exactly.  The preconceived notions and prejudice were inherent in the
>questions.  Alternatively, very few questions lack this inherency.

He says while ejaculating all over the LCD screen, imagining Zeke's
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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 23:29:28 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> >Zeke-who-wishes-he-were-Thracian
>
> I AM Thracian in spirit. And THAT'S what counts.

Claim to be whatever you wish, like native american or thracian.  An
unsupported claim is merely that and nothing more.

>
>
> >Elsewhere in this thread, zeke makes it clear that his agenda is to 'take
> >over'.
>
> Right.

Just another petty dictator wannabe, how pedestrian.

> One characteristic ALL homophobes seem to have in common, is a
> complete LACK of sense of humor, when it comes to gays.

Your conclusion lacks the same thing your other ones do; accuracy.

>
> >Instead of trying to address the content of the posts, he claims
individual
> >posters are in 'cahoots' as a convenient evasion.
>
> Wrong again.

As you say, to the contradiction of your own posts.  So, which time were you
lying? <-note: example of a loaded question, for baseline purposes



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 08:11:59 GMT

On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 23:29:28 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>Claim to be whatever you wish, like native american or thracian.  An
>unsupported claim is merely that and nothing more.

Wrong again, breeder faggot!


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:45:16 GMT

On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:36:10 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>You see?  A furious, hair-trigger response, without even taking the trouble 
>to find out whether Noon-Air was talking to you or to me.  It could have 
>been either, of course - but the fact that you rushed to an angry 
>retaliation first just illustrates the point I've made: you're no advert 
>for tolerance.

Blah blah blah. Closet case.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:09:22 -0600

chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :

>>You see?  A furious, hair-trigger response, without even taking the
>>trouble to find out whether Noon-Air was talking to you or to me.  It
>>could have been either, of course - but the fact that you rushed to an
>>angry retaliation first just illustrates the point I've made: you're
>>no advert for tolerance.
> 
> Blah blah blah. Closet case.

No closet here, my friend.  The group here knows I prefer women.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:57:16 -0700

"Seamus"  wrote:
> (Chief Thracian) wrote:

> 
>
> Translation: TOLERATE ME OR I'LL FUCKING KILL YOU!
>
> You claim to be a druid. This must be some new definition of the word
> "druid" of which I was previously unaware.
>
> Here's a razor. Please apply it to your wrists. Remember to go uptown,
> NOT across the street.
>

Now, now Seamus ... if he cannot apply Occam's Razor, what makes you think
he can manage a less complex feat?

> _
>
> "They laughed when I accused my parents, and I killed them. Let's see
> if they'll be laughing now!" - Tom Servo, MST3K



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 06:52:47 GMT

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:57:16 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>"Seamus"  wrote:
>> (Chief Thracian) wrote:
>
>> 
>>
>> Translation: TOLERATE ME OR I'LL FUCKING KILL YOU!

I NEVER said or implied that. 

>Now, now Seamus ... if he cannot apply Occam's Razor, what makes you think
>he can manage a less complex feat?

The simplest solution is most likely the correct one.

Thanks again for playing the buffoon, that I may come off as the hero.
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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 01:50:28 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> >"Seamus"  wrote:
> >> (Chief Thracian) wrote:
> >
> >> 
> >>
> >> Translation: TOLERATE ME OR I'LL FUCKING KILL YOU!
>
> I NEVER said or implied that.

No?
"BTW, browsing through my web site, one can put the pieces together to
learn my plans for conquest of the world, and realignment of all
powers "

By the way, Seamus posted the translation, not me, dumbass.

>
> >Now, now Seamus ... if he cannot apply Occam's Razor, what makes you
think
> >he can manage a less complex feat?
>
> The simplest solution is most likely the correct one.

You miss the point, which is unsurprising given your archived record.

>
> Thanks again for playing the buffoon, that I may come off as the hero.
> It's dipwads like you that give me a superiority complex!
>

At the risk of insulting a sack of rocks, you make such a sackfull look like
a genius, zeke.




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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 22:30:03 GMT

On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 01:50:28 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>At the risk of insulting a sack of rocks, you make such a sackfull look like
>a genius, zeke.

I have that power, if I so choose. I can also make a genius look like
a sack of rocks. Especially one who is homophobic.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 16:41:07 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> >At the risk of insulting a sack of rocks, you make such a sackfull look
like
> >a genius, zeke.
>
> I have that power, if I so choose.

Inherently stupid?  Not by your own choice, eh?

> I can also make a genius look like
> a sack of rocks. Especially one who is homophobic.
>

When will that process begin?  It's been days and so far, you've shot
yourself in the feet so many times that if you could, you'd rent more feet.





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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:43:03 GMT

On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 16:41:07 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>When will that process begin?  It's been days and so far, you've shot
>yourself in the feet so many times that if you could, you'd rent more feet.

So speaketh a sack of rocks.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:54:00 -0700

"Midwinter"  wrote:
> (Chief Thracian) said :
>
> > Judging by your flippant participation in this thread--treating gay
> > bashing as if it were a silly joke--I'd say no, you never have.
>
> Prejudice based on sexuality ("gay-bashing" only covers a fraction of the
> problem) is a serious matter.

Stupid-bashing being an altogether different matter, however.

>
> The joke here is in seeing someone so obviously consumed with hatred as
you
> are making himself out to be a campaigner for respect and rights.  In
fact,
> you have consistently shown yourself absolutely guilty of such prejudice
> throughout this thread.

Concurrance.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:52:09 -0600

chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :

> Already posted several days ago. In this thread. If you're too feeble
> minded to track it down, that's YOUR problem.

Ah, no.  See, that would be a couple of articles plus your otherwise 
unsubstantiated claims that the data was deliberately skewed, that it's 
"Nazi propaganda", and that there's some sort of conspiracy going on to 
defame gay people.

Like I said, I await the data that you have obtained scientifically, with 
which you are going to show the inaccuracy of that provided by these other 
researchers.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 05:40:09 GMT

On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:52:09 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>Ah, no.  See, that would be a couple of articles plus your otherwise 
>unsubstantiated claims that the data was deliberately skewed, that it's 
>"Nazi propaganda", and that there's some sort of conspiracy going on to 
>defame gay people.

You intentionally TRIVIALIZE the news reference I provided. The data
WAS skewed deliberately, for which the medical and news culprits were
reprimanded by various savvy and concerned SF citizens. Their skewing
data against an already persecuted minority is PRECISELY a Nazi style
tactic.

So the first two points you made are invalid, and OBVIOUSLY an attempt
to support your heterocentric ARROGANCE. When the Chronicle's article
came out, I was the FIRST to denounce their skulduggery, as well as
that of SF General Hospital and the UC Med Center. Within several
days, other outraged citizens spoke up with the SAME accusations as
yours truly...stopping short however, with seeing the PATTERN of an
orchestrated attempt to foment social ANTAGONISM against gays.

>Like I said, I await the data that you have obtained scientifically, with 
>which you are going to show the inaccuracy of that provided by these other 
>researchers.

I have a KEEN intuition that sees more readily, obvious connections
between events that eludes many others. ESPECIALLY when it comes to
gay issues (my specialty), since the MAJORITY of citizens are already
BIASED against gays, and thus, like you, are EAGER to jump all over
the rare gay activist who is blowing the whistle against an OBVIOUS
conspiracy.

The evidence you expect, is the last to come in, but I assure you it
will. My whistle blowing--which is based on CIRCUMSTANCIAL evidence
(albeit overwhelming)--will FACILITATE those outraged persons who have
ACCESS to solid evidence, which is unavailable to yours truly.

You didn't even ACKNOWLEDGE the veracity of my pointing out the
homophobic slant of the SF Chronicle and Dr. Binh Diep...after other
reporters and letter writers chimed in, giving ME affirmation of my
claim You PERSISTED with your original stance, even AFTER
circumstancial evidence proved CLEARLY the intent (or "conspiracy") of
some people and institutions to blame homosexuals, and to gain fame
and glory by their LIES.

This indicates you maintain a cruel bias AGAINST queers, rather than a
neutral position. The MAJORITY of people are readily to BELIEVE that
gays are at higher risk to MRSA, as well as SPREADERS of this horrid
bacteria...due to their ugly BIAS against gays. And that gay sex is
NATURALLY far more filthier than hetero sex (citing butt-fucking as
the cause, regardless than straights partake in same with considerably
frequency. Implying that queer feces harbors more diseases than
breeder feces! (After all, aren't they natural carriers of plague?) 

Dr. Diep et al were shoved into a corner and had to APOLOGIZE for
their erroneous and poorly gathered data. The ONLY reason why
intelligent people would commit such a horrid act of homophobic
bigotry, is because that was their PLAN in the first place. This is NO
accident, and I am totally sick and tired of heteros in power who
CONTINUE to play the old "faggots are filthy" card in order to gain
glory, wealth, and power.

Since YOU are not even willing to acknowledge the ACCURACY of my claim
of these culprits presenting CLEARLY skewed data as an underhanded and
prejudiced tactic, even when the EVIDENCE came pouring in...

I must CONCLUDE that your are a malicious breeder who will NEVER stop
demeaing gays until his last breath (and may THAT come soon)...while
doing his very, very best to appear "gay friendly".

I got your number.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 04:16:00 -0600

chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :

> You intentionally TRIVIALIZE the news reference I provided.

No, not at all.  In fact, I seek only to encourage people to read what 
the news reference actually *said*.  As I've already said a few times, 
it's important that people who're potentially affected by a medical 
development are made aware of possible risk factors.  That's what the 
article is doing, rightly or wrongly.  In your almost fervent desire to 
see gay-bashing in the article, *you* are misrepresenting what the report 
says and attempting to discourage people from paying heed to it.

No scientific finding is absolute on the basis of one test, one 
experiment or one survey.  But it is right that where potential risks are 
identified, that information is made available so that people can make 
their own judgements.  Scientists are the discoverers of information, not 
the judges of what information the public should have access to.  Further 
research may support the finding or it may disprove it.  That's science.  
But had you your way, at least as you've indicated, you would do the 
community a great disservice by seeking to prevent the publication of 
such information.  All because you can't accommodate the notion that 
certain activities can and might (or might not) simply put one at greater 
risk, and that saying so does not necessarily constitute part of a grand 
conspiracy against anyone.


> So the first two points you made are invalid, and OBVIOUSLY an attempt
> to support your heterocentric ARROGANCE.

'Obvious' in your mind - and let's face it, based on your track record 
here, you need no other confirmation.


> When the Chronicle's article
> came out, I was the FIRST to denounce their skulduggery

Passionately and emotionally, no doubt, as you have on Usenet.  Which is 
precisely why I question your reliability in doing so.  You are an angry 
person; angry and intolerant - and that automatically throws your 
judgement into doubt.


> other outraged citizens spoke up with the SAME accusations as
> yours truly...stopping short however, with seeing the PATTERN of an
> orchestrated attempt to foment social ANTAGONISM against gays.

And yet you would have it that that pattern was so obvious.  So why, I 
wonder, were you the only one able to see it or willing to challenge it?

 
>>Like I said, I await the data that you have obtained scientifically,
>>with which you are going to show the inaccuracy of that provided by
>>these other researchers.
> 
> I have a KEEN intuition that sees more readily, obvious connections
> between events that eludes many others.

As I thought.  You have no data, and are working entirely on the basis of 
your assumptions and prejudices (and you are quite clearly very 
prejudiced indeed - even to the point of assuming the sex and sexuality 
of those who question your pronouncements).  Therefore your claims are 
scientifically worthless, and you move to gag researchers purely based on 
what offends your overactive sensibilities.


> since the MAJORITY of citizens are already
> BIASED against gays, and thus, like you, are EAGER to jump all over
> the rare gay activist who is blowing the whistle against an OBVIOUS
> conspiracy.

The rare gay activist who through his absolute intolerance, prejudice and 
anger is doing his cause far more harm than good; and who would seek to 
gag even preliminary scientific research if it does not agree with his 
"keen intuition".

 
> The evidence you expect, is the last to come in, but I assure you it
> will.

When it does, come back to me.  Until then, you are just one more bigot 
wasting everybody's time.


> This indicates you maintain a cruel bias AGAINST queers, rather than a
> neutral position. The MAJORITY of people are readily to BELIEVE that
> gays are at higher risk to MRSA, as well as SPREADERS of this horrid
> bacteria...due to their ugly BIAS against gays. And that gay sex is
> NATURALLY far more filthier than hetero sex (citing butt-fucking as
> the cause, regardless than straights partake in same with considerably
> frequency. Implying that queer feces harbors more diseases than
> breeder feces! (After all, aren't they natural carriers of plague?)

How adeptly you rattle out these assertions.  You seem pretty practised 
with them.  Still, I make none of them - and nor do I maintain a neutral 
position.


> I got your number.

Don't bother ringing.  You're not my type.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:20:31 GMT

On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 04:16:00 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>When it does, come back to me.  Until then, you are just one more bigot 
>wasting everybody's time.

Wow, I sure pressed YOUR buttons. (HOMOPHOBIC buttons, that is.)

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:34:03 -0600

chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :

> Wow, I sure pressed YOUR buttons. (HOMOPHOBIC buttons, that is.)
> 
> GOOD!

As with all bigots, you will see what you want to see.  I can't help that.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:47:27 GMT

On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:34:03 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>As with all bigots, you will see what you want to see.  I can't help that.

Of course not. You can't HELP but be a bigot. You were BRAINWASHED at
an early age.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Joseph Littleshoes 
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 09:01:48 -0800

Chief Thracian wrote:


> I have a KEEN intuition...

.32 cents per minute?


 > I got your number.
 >
 >

1 - 800- ... ....

> I must CONCLUDE that your are a malicious breeder who will NEVER stop
> demeaing gays until his last breath (and may THAT come soon)...while
> doing his very, very best to appear "gay friendly".
> 
> 

Originally i objected to the "Chief Thracian" nom de net.  Now it begins 
to make a bit of sense, if your going to voluntarily tackle the 
ignorance and hostility of the net its probly best to be a mighty 
warrior, heck, if berserker mode could be turned on an off by an act of 
will...

Perhaps someday a virtual Burebista of Dacia will arise and unify those 
who are repelled by ignorant, fundamentalist hypocrisy and violence, 
will be able to convince people to object to such bigotry as often as it 
rears its ugly head, instead of the more routine reaction of a Gallic 
shrug denoting a lack of interest in doing any thing about it.
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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 05:34:24 GMT

On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 09:01:48 -0800, Joseph Littleshoes
 wrote:

>Chief Thracian wrote:
>
>
>> I have a KEEN intuition...
>
>.32 cents per minute?

:)

> > I got your number.
> >
> >
>
>1 - 800- ... ....

:D

>Originally i objected to the "Chief Thracian" nom de net.  

I chose it because I came up with a new word for gay men, "Thracian".
Since "gay" was too wimpy, like a silly butterfly, and "homosexual"
was way too clinical, like an insect examined under a microscope. (And
for obvious reasons, I didn't find "Cretan" a happy alternative.)
Since I know my destiny: as instigator and leader of gay rights on a
global level, the word "chief" came to mind. You may read my essay on
this:

Regarding the words "Hellene" & "Thracian"
http://www,gay-bible.org/write/4_newwords.htm

>Now it begins 
>to make a bit of sense, if your going to voluntarily tackle the 
>ignorance and hostility of the net its probly best to be a mighty 
>warrior, heck, if berserker mode could be turned on an off by an act of 
>will...

Bingo! Acting like an overzealous queer activist is my way of
injecting HUMOR into my mission. Being as I am a mirror shaman
dedicated to reflecting BACK the bigot's image. And I do so in a way
that HEALS (instead of damages) in the process.

I gleefully play this role, it presses buttons in the manner intended,
as well as provides a wholesome catharsis for my rage.

>Perhaps someday a virtual Burebista of Dacia will arise and unify those 
>who are repelled by ignorant, fundamentalist hypocrisy and violence, 
>will be able to convince people to object to such bigotry as often as it 
>rears its ugly head, instead of the more routine reaction of a Gallic 
>shrug denoting a lack of interest in doing any thing about it.

From [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daco ]:

"Under Burebista (Boerebista), a contemporary of Julius Caesar, who
thoroughly reorganised the army and raised the moral standard of the
people, the limits of the kingdom were extended to their maximum."

My thought on this: Apparantly, the spirit of liberator stirs within
my bosom, matters not which culture of the oppressed. I presume there
are OTHERS presently on the planet, of similar ilk. And that we will
soon be effectively network to become an IRRESISTABLE force!

From that same source:

"According to Herodotus History (book 4) account of the story of
Zalmoxis (or Zamolxis), the Getae (speaking the same language as the
Dacians - Strabo) believed in the immortality of the soul, and
regarded death as merely a change of country."

My thought on this: "Dying is the best way to travel?" Well, it's
certainly a lot CHEAPER, especially if you let the STATE worry about
tending your corpse! But I essentially agree with their take on
immortality. Death is indeed an illusion, and realizing that relieves
one cosiderably of those anxiety-inducing Demons of Fear.

BTW, browsing through my web site, one can put the pieces together to
learn my plans for conquest of the world, and realignment of all
powers towards the shamanic, the native, the earthy, and the sanely
opitimistic. I owe that all to the wisdom of Native America and all
OTHER native cultures. Thank God/dess it has managed to survive
through all those eons of devastation! That make some modern soul like
me, so LUCKY to number among the True Appreciators!

"Chief Thracian" is my Usenet personna. My stage name as an open-mic
gay humorist and pholisopher (and occasional standup comedian) is:

Jehovah's Queer Witness.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:37:38 GMT

On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:00:12 -0800 (PST), Seamus
 wrote:

>Your personal angst is getting in the way of your cause.

You WISH.

Actually, my personal angst MOTIVATES my cause, and INSPIRES my
writing and other aspects of my activism.

I am FINELY TUNED to My Great Cause. YOU, poor breeder sucker, are
simply JEALOUS.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:49:15 GMT

On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:01:31 -0800 (PST), Noinden 
wrote:

>Ahh but Zekey baby here would like to wipe them off the face of the
>planet

That's a GROSS exaggeration of my position, you homophobic bum. I only
desire HOMOPHOBES wiped off the face of this planet. NOT truly
gay-friendly heteros.

'Cause HOMOPHOBES are also women-rapers, child abusers, racists, and
overall, a POX upon humanity. If you're not sure just WHO I'm talking
about, go look in a mirror.

>(go look at the long history this "gentleman" has with
>hetrophobia).

Oh, barfolicious! Accusing a gay person of heterophobia is like
accusing a Jew of Naziphobia. It's hateful jerkwads like you, who
inspire me to compose pieces like:

Hetero Shame Week
http://www.gay-bible.org/truetales/6_shame.htm

>He's ammusing like a capering jester when he rants on
>the street (I've seen in when in SF) but thats about it.

FYI, I can't do my skits on the streets of the Castro any more,
because of the rampant HOMOPHOBIA among so many homeless. And the cops
do NOTHING to make gays feel safe in our own neighborhoods. San
Francisco is no Gay Mecca...they sold us down the river. That's why we
are going to have a civil war, with gays coming out ON TOP.

Thanks for the free advertising, you hetero goofball, you!


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:37:36 GMT

On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 21:58:24 -0800 (PST), Seamus
 wrote:

>Right, 'cause anyone who disagrees with you is automatically a
>homophobe, right?

I don't know where you get THAT idea from. Except that OBVIOUSLY
homophobes will do everything they can to obfuscate my statements, and
make me look like an absolute fool. So of COURSE they'll disagree with
me...or at least, attempt to demonize me with statements like;

"Right, 'cause anyone who disagrees with you is automatically a
homophobe, right?"

And then, OBVIOUSLY, other homophobes will piggy-back upon such false
accusations, because they are bullies, and LOVE to gang up on outspoke
queers.

It's a Nazi-style tactic, by repeating the lie over and over again,
some decent gays will get worn out and discouraged...and give up.

You want ME to give up, don't you?


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:09:53 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> Seamus  wrote:
>
> >Right, 'cause anyone who disagrees with you is automatically a
> >homophobe, right?
>
> I don't know where you get THAT idea from.

Probably from you:
"Chief Thracian"  wrote in message
news:4792db2d.14966114@amsterdam.newsgroups-download.com...

"That's a GROSS exaggeration of my position, you homophobic bum."



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:42:44 GMT

On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:09:53 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>Probably from you:
>"Chief Thracian"  wrote in message
>news:4792db2d.14966114@amsterdam.newsgroups-download.com...
>
>"That's a GROSS exaggeration of my position, you homophobic bum."

That, dear loser 'phobe, is simply calling a spade a spade. It is to
be EXPECTED of bigots to twist my words around. YOU, however, do a
most sorry job of it.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:16:43 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
>
> >Probably from you:
> >"Chief Thracian"  wrote in message
> >news:4792db2d.14966114@amsterdam.newsgroups-download.com...
> >
> >"That's a GROSS exaggeration of my position, you homophobic bum."
>
> That, dear loser 'phobe, is simply calling a spade a spade. It is to
> be EXPECTED of bigots to twist my words around.

They're your own words, dumbass.  Eat them or shove them up your ass as
preferred.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:16:16 GMT

On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:16:43 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>They're your own words, dumbass.  Eat them or shove them up your ass as
>preferred.

For someone who pretends hetero, you're sure focused on male private
parts! I ABHOR closet types...they're nothing but back stabbers.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "Medusa Slox" 
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:06:06 -0500


"Seamus"  wrote in message
news:9798d30d-8627-4cfd-b678-343657f9e8a5@s13g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
: On Jan 25, 1:16 pm, chief_thracia...@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
: wrote:
: > On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:16:43 -0700, "sarchasm" 
: > wrote:
: >
: > >They're your own words, dumbass.  Eat them or shove them up your ass as
: > >preferred.
: >
: > For someone who pretends hetero, you're sure focused on male private
: > parts! I ABHOR closet types...they're nothing but back stabbers.
:
: You're a closet hetero, Zeke. Either that, or the stupidest gay man
: I've had the pleasure of discourse with.

I'm rather sure that an ass isn't just a MALE private part.

***Looks in the mirror****

Yes, quite sure.

Medusa Slox



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 13:47:08 -0700

"Medusa Slox"  wrote
> "Seamus"  wrote:
> : > "sarchasm"  wrote:
> : >
> : > >They're your own words, dumbass.  Eat them or shove them up your ass
as
> : > >preferred.
> : >
> : > For someone who pretends hetero, you're sure focused on male private
> : > parts! I ABHOR closet types...they're nothing but back stabbers.
> :
> : You're a closet hetero, Zeke. Either that, or the stupidest gay man
> : I've had the pleasure of discourse with.
>
> I'm rather sure that an ass isn't just a MALE private part.
>
> ***Looks in the mirror****
>
> Yes, quite sure.
>
> Medusa Slox
>

Not a straight-on view butt, turning to see your ass, right Medusa? ;>



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "Medusa Slox" 
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:28:16 -0500


"sarchasm"  wrote in message
news:fng68e$8ad$1@registered.motzarella.org...
: "Medusa Slox"  wrote
: > "Seamus"  wrote:
: > : > "sarchasm"  wrote:
: > : >
: > : > >They're your own words, dumbass.  Eat them or shove them up your
ass
: as
: > : > >preferred.
: > : >
: > : > For someone who pretends hetero, you're sure focused on male private
: > : > parts! I ABHOR closet types...they're nothing but back stabbers.
: > :
: > : You're a closet hetero, Zeke. Either that, or the stupidest gay man
: > : I've had the pleasure of discourse with.
: >
: > I'm rather sure that an ass isn't just a MALE private part.
: >
: > ***Looks in the mirror****
: >
: > Yes, quite sure.
: >
: > Medusa Slox
: >
:
: Not a straight-on view butt, turning to see your ass, right Medusa? ;>
:
:

At my age, and with my sitdown 16 hour a day work, it pretty much follows me
around like a twin.

Medusa' got a big ol' butt Slox



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 23:49:51 -0700

"Medusa Slox"  wrote:
>
> At my age, and with my sitdown 16 hour a day work, it pretty much follows
me
> around like a twin.
>
> Medusa' got a big ol' butt Slox
>

16 hours a day?  Self-imposed slavery?



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "Medusa Slox" 
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 09:06:13 -0500


"sarchasm"  wrote in message
news:fnh9iq$cki$1@registered.motzarella.org...
: "Medusa Slox"  wrote:
: >
: > At my age, and with my sitdown 16 hour a day work, it pretty much
follows
: me
: > around like a twin.
: >
: > Medusa' got a big ol' butt Slox
: >
:
: 16 hours a day?  Self-imposed slavery?
:
:

Just love what I do.

Medusa Slox



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:48:46 -0700

"Medusa Slox"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
> : "Medusa Slox"  wrote:
> : >
> : > At my age, and with my sitdown 16 hour a day work, it pretty much
> follows
> : me
> : > around like a twin.
> : >
> : > Medusa' got a big ol' butt Slox
> : >
> :
> : 16 hours a day?  Self-imposed slavery?
> :
> :
> Just love what I do.
>
> Medusa Slox
>

In that manner, you are fortunate indeed.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 06:34:59 -0600

chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :

>>They're your own words, dumbass.  Eat them or shove them up your ass as
>>preferred.
> 
> For someone who pretends hetero, you're sure focused on male private
> parts!

Ahem...  I must be missing something here.  Do girls not have asses as 
well?


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "1X2Willows" 
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:27:17 -0800


 wrote in message 
news:05fd5203-b521-462c-b703-39211b63c739@q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 16, 2:25 pm, "Ares, God of War"  wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:46:30 GMT, chief_thracia...@SPAMyahoo.com
>
> (Chief Thracian) wrote:
> >As if AIDS weren't enough! I charge the government (and all associated
> >minions) for using biological warfare on homosexuals, starting with
> >HIV, and now this new, highly-contagious (skin-contact) strain of
> >flesh-eating virus...or MRSA meaning "methicillin-resistant
> >Staphylococcus aureus".
>
> Except for one flaw.....aids affects heterosexuals too.

Actually, I live in SF, and most of the patients who get this are not
gay.  It's been in the IV drug users for some time, has spread in gyms
and locker rooms in high schools, NOT in the drama departments in high
schools .. .
~~~~~~~~~~~~

Now when you say "this" as in "who get this", do you mean AIDS or MRSA?

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:42:45 GMT

On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:27:17 -0800, "1X2Willows"
 wrote:

>Actually, I live in SF, and most of the patients who get this are not
>gay.  It's been in the IV drug users for some time, has spread in gyms
>and locker rooms in high schools, NOT in the drama departments in high
>schools .. .

And because drug users and homeless are treated like pariahs, thus
denied DECENT health care and housing...they become a human petri dish
that NURTURES and SPREADS harmful microbes. It is NOT simply a matter
of using germicides too much and too often.

I might add here, that among those two groups, it is the sexual
minority of EITHER group, that is treated the WORST. For the others,
who play hetero, they STILL have the advantage over queers, in many
ways. InCLUDing being less likely to be bashed, or not as often.

Not to mention the shelters and free meals...MOST of which are
provided by homophobic churches.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 03:47:58 GMT

UPDATE

Quoting from the (Jan. 17th issue of the) S.F. Bay Times article 

Staph Infections In The Castro Causing Community Uproar
http://www.sfbaytimes.com/?sec=article&article_id=7331

--begin quotes:

Some critics are cynical about the study - especially that it focused
on the Castro and not other areas of the City, such as South of
Market. Others are angry that the notion of gay sex is being hyped as
the cause. According to the Center for Disease Control and Prevention,
the bacteria affect only about one percent of the population, which
has prompted several doctors to propose that fears of the bacteria
might be overblown.

The Human Rights Campaign has stated that this is a case of rightwing
bigots returning to 1980 HIV/AIDS fear-mongering tactics. "We saw this
kind of hysteria in the early 1980's around HIV/AIDS," said HRC
President Joe Solmonese. "I'll be damned if we will sit idly by in
2008 and let them perpetrate that type of anti-gay hysteria again
without calling them out on it." Based on a Jan. 15 story by the
Reuters News Agency about a new strain of staph infection affecting
gay men, the rightwing group, Concerned Women for America, well known
for its bigotry, took the opportunity to promote its anti-gay hatred.
HRC's Solmonese called CWA's statements "lies and distortions." 

--end quotes

Moving on to ANOTHER gay rag out of Frisco, The Bay Area Reporter
(B.A.R.), I now quote from article

Data on staph links gays
http://www.ebar.com/news/article.php?sec=news&article=2612

--begin quotes:

Binh An Diep, PhD, a researcher at UCSF and the lead author of the
study, said part of the reason why he conducted the study was to help
empower gay men to take better care of their own health. It was
published online in the Annals of Internal Medicine on January 14.

However, Diep made several statements in a news release that fanned
the flames of homophobia. Anti-gay groups seized on the study, with
one calling gay men a "public health hazard."

Given the hysteria in much of the media coverage of the recent studies
on MRSA, Diep said that he is concerned there will be a possible
backlash against the gay community 

--end quotes

What? A RESEARCHER aware that his words were poorly chosen,
nonetheless goes on record as possibly FOMENTING severe backlash
against sexual minorities! Which backlash threatens to spread WAY
beyond "Gay Mecca," spilling over into ALL gay communities in major
urban centers WORLDWIDE...as I have already iterated some paragraphs
above. Now, allow me to provide several MORE quotes from that same
article, to ALLEVIATE the needless (though apparently INTENTIONAL)
angst created out of these irresponsible mouths of "concerned" and
"gay friendly" researchers such as Binh Dipwad:

--begin quotes:

San Francisco physician William Owen told the Bay Area Reporter
Tuesday that he sees little new in the latest study....

Diep found the annual incidence of USA300 infection per 100,000
persons was 275 cases, while the incidence of the MDR variant was 26
cases in all of San Francisco....

The Castro District (Zip code 94114) had the highest percentage (25.7
percent) of male same-sex couples in the United States, and a MDR
USA300 incidence rate per 100,000 of 170 cases. However, the total
number of cases in an individual Zip code is small and so the
statistical confidence interval is large; one should we wary of
drawing too many conclusions from the subset analysis.
'Diep said they saw little difference among HIV-positive patients in
terms of acquisition of MRSA, disease progression, or response to
therapy. However, most of those patients had a CD4 count greater than
200. Significant risks of opportunistic infections often are not seen
until the CD4 count drops below 100, and the number of patients in
that category was too small for meaningful analysis. 

--end quotes

Now, about the S.F. Chronicle, which newspaper here in our Unkind
Metropolis, REPORTED this hysterical claptrap with a vivid red MAP of
The Castro to INTIMIDATE and FRIGHTEN the populace...and STIR UP
homophobia and violence against our long-suffering community:

This is not the FIRST time the Chronicle has sold out to the Religious
Reich. On August 16, 1999, they accepted $35,000 to publish a
full-page anti-gay ad, claiming that we sexual minorities can be
cured!

http://www.gay-bible.org/truetales/6_shame1.htm

See my essay "Hetero Shame Week" for more details on THAT shameful
matter. 

http://www.gay-bible.org/truetales/6_shame.htm

(Thank your lucky ass-teroids a scant good folks like me keep RECORDS
and pay CLOSE ATTENTION to seemingly unrelated affairs! If I had to
hold down a regular job to survive, instead of collecting a gov't
disabilty stipend, I could NEVER have been so dedicated.)

The only thing GOOD coming out of this Dark Affair, is as a textbook
example of how This Zodiac Cult operates...either "Dieply" hidden or,
in this case, when out in the open, done so with a "Diep" crocodile
smile, a.k.a. "friendly fire". In closing, please take a concise
moment to embed in your juicy cerebrum, the face of Our Newest Enemy,
traitor to our cause:

http://www.gay-bible.org/truetales/Larkin/2008-01-17_H.jpg


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "1X2Willows" 
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:16:31 -0800


"Chief Thracian"  wrote in message 
news:47916f36.3573682@amsterdam.newsgroups-download.com...
> UPDATE
>
> Quoting from the (Jan. 17th issue of the) S.F. Bay Times article
>
> Staph Infections In The Castro Causing Community Uproar
> http://www.sfbaytimes.com/?sec=article&article_id=7331
>
> --begin quotes:
>
> Some critics are cynical about the study - especially that it focused
> on the Castro and not other areas of the City, such as South of
> Market. Others are angry that the notion of gay sex is being hyped as
> the cause. According to the Center for Disease Control and Prevention,
> the bacteria affect only about one percent of the population, which
> has prompted several doctors to propose that fears of the bacteria
> might be overblown.
>
> The Human Rights Campaign has stated that this is a case of rightwing
> bigots returning to 1980 HIV/AIDS fear-mongering tactics. "We saw this
> kind of hysteria in the early 1980's around HIV/AIDS," said HRC
> President Joe Solmonese. "I'll be damned if we will sit idly by in
> 2008 and let them perpetrate that type of anti-gay hysteria again
> without calling them out on it." Based on a Jan. 15 story by the
> Reuters News Agency about a new strain of staph infection affecting
> gay men, the rightwing group, Concerned Women for America, well known
> for its bigotry, took the opportunity to promote its anti-gay hatred.
> HRC's Solmonese called CWA's statements "lies and distortions."
>
> --end quotes
>
> Moving on to ANOTHER gay rag out of Frisco, The Bay Area Reporter
> (B.A.R.), I now quote from article
>
> Data on staph links gays
> http://www.ebar.com/news/article.php?sec=news&article=2612
>
> --begin quotes:
>
> Binh An Diep, PhD, a researcher at UCSF and the lead author of the
> study, said part of the reason why he conducted the study was to help
> empower gay men to take better care of their own health. It was
> published online in the Annals of Internal Medicine on January 14.
>
> However, Diep made several statements in a news release that fanned
> the flames of homophobia. Anti-gay groups seized on the study, with
> one calling gay men a "public health hazard."
>
> Given the hysteria in much of the media coverage of the recent studies
> on MRSA, Diep said that he is concerned there will be a possible
> backlash against the gay community
>
> --end quotes
>
> What? A RESEARCHER aware that his words were poorly chosen,
> nonetheless goes on record as possibly FOMENTING severe backlash
> against sexual minorities! Which backlash threatens to spread WAY
> beyond "Gay Mecca," spilling over into ALL gay communities in major
> urban centers WORLDWIDE...as I have already iterated some paragraphs
> above. Now, allow me to provide several MORE quotes from that same
> article, to ALLEVIATE the needless (though apparently INTENTIONAL)
> angst created out of these irresponsible mouths of "concerned" and
> "gay friendly" researchers such as Binh Dipwad:
>
> --begin quotes:
>
> San Francisco physician William Owen told the Bay Area Reporter
> Tuesday that he sees little new in the latest study....
>
> Diep found the annual incidence of USA300 infection per 100,000
> persons was 275 cases, while the incidence of the MDR variant was 26
> cases in all of San Francisco....
>
> The Castro District (Zip code 94114) had the highest percentage (25.7
> percent) of male same-sex couples in the United States, and a MDR
> USA300 incidence rate per 100,000 of 170 cases. However, the total
> number of cases in an individual Zip code is small and so the
> statistical confidence interval is large; one should we wary of
> drawing too many conclusions from the subset analysis.
> 'Diep said they saw little difference among HIV-positive patients in
> terms of acquisition of MRSA, disease progression, or response to
> therapy. However, most of those patients had a CD4 count greater than
> 200. Significant risks of opportunistic infections often are not seen
> until the CD4 count drops below 100, and the number of patients in
> that category was too small for meaningful analysis.
>
> --end quotes
>
> Now, about the S.F. Chronicle, which newspaper here in our Unkind
> Metropolis, REPORTED this hysterical claptrap with a vivid red MAP of
> The Castro to INTIMIDATE and FRIGHTEN the populace...and STIR UP
> homophobia and violence against our long-suffering community:
>
> This is not the FIRST time the Chronicle has sold out to the Religious
> Reich. On August 16, 1999, they accepted $35,000 to publish a
> full-page anti-gay ad, claiming that we sexual minorities can be
> cured!
>
> http://www.gay-bible.org/truetales/6_shame1.htm
>
> See my essay "Hetero Shame Week" for more details on THAT shameful
> matter.
>
> http://www.gay-bible.org/truetales/6_shame.htm
>
> (Thank your lucky ass-teroids a scant good folks like me keep RECORDS
> and pay CLOSE ATTENTION to seemingly unrelated affairs! If I had to
> hold down a regular job to survive, instead of collecting a gov't
> disabilty stipend, I could NEVER have been so dedicated.)
>
> The only thing GOOD coming out of this Dark Affair, is as a textbook
> example of how This Zodiac Cult operates...either "Dieply" hidden or,
> in this case, when out in the open, done so with a "Diep" crocodile
> smile, a.k.a. "friendly fire". In closing, please take a concise
> moment to embed in your juicy cerebrum, the face of Our Newest Enemy,
> traitor to our cause:
>
> http://www.gay-bible.org/truetales/Larkin/2008-01-17_H.jpg
>
>
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This is interesting.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:49:08 GMT

On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:16:31 -0800, "1X2Willows"
 wrote:

>This is interesting.

Thank you, 1X2Willows! You can read the same piece, but with
illustrations and a NEW part added, which is a letter to the editor I
just e-mailed, excoriating Dr. Diep. Entitled: "Yummy Hetero Flesh".
Remains to be seen yet, whether my letter gets printed. For nonce,
view it here:

http://ezekielk.tblog.com/post/1969971840

BTW, if you find THAT piece interesting, I believe you'll find "Steal
This Blog" captivating.

  -Zekester




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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "1X2Willows" 
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 23:51:35 -0800

"Chief Thracian"  wrote in message
news:4792d401.13130574@amsterdam.newsgroups-download.com...
> On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:16:31 -0800, "1X2Willows"
>  wrote:
>
>>This is interesting.
>
> Thank you, 1X2Willows! You can read the same piece, but with
> illustrations and a NEW part added, which is a letter to the editor I
> just e-mailed, excoriating Dr. Diep. Entitled: "Yummy Hetero Flesh".
> Remains to be seen yet, whether my letter gets printed. For nonce,
> view it here:
>
> http://ezekielk.tblog.com/post/1969971840
>
> BTW, if you find THAT piece interesting, I believe you'll find "Steal
> This Blog" captivating.
>
>  -Zekester

You're welcome.

Can't say I've been an avid and supporting reader of your posts in the
past. They're usually a bit extreme, militant gay, borderline hysterical
for my straight as an arrow taste. For example, I don't see any need
for dualist designations such as Gay Pride or Hetero Shame. Being
a friend of the multitudes of gray between white and black myself,
I'd prefer slogans like "Sexual Tolerance" uniting the two.
However, I do agree with you on several points in this case.

First, this statistic in the article you quote, no doubt about it, must be
one of the most sensational pieces of junk science I've ever seen.
I mean... where and how are the missing numbers represented?
What's with 1-13 cases per 100'000?   22-34?   49?   57-169?
Who got paid to deliver such utterly unscientific garbage and by whom?
Who owns the SF Chronicle these days anyway?
Questions questions questions...

Second, I don't know but please enlighten me. Are there even 100'000
people living in the Castro district? Of course, that red number 170
(!!!ALERT-ALERT!!!) looks very scary to the common observer but that
might as well have beeen the desired goal. If there were only 50'000,
that would push the number of real cases down to two digits and so on.
Not so blatantly impressive anymore. In effect, that number means 0,17 %
which sounds, compared to other percentages of 'normal' civilatory ailments,
rather unspectacular. Is someone trying to create a media hype?
Sure looks like it.

Then we have the current political climate and its obvious slide to the
right, where promoted "ideal" values and lifestyles are concerned.

When HIV went off under the 68 generation and their kids like an IED
under a Humvee in Tikrit, it effectively dealt a death blow to the sexual
revolution and returned the following generations to a state of puritanism
and fear as it ever was before. At the time, I was very interested in the
reasons behind the HIV epidemic but never got a satisfying answer.
By now, no one asks anymore because everyone is occupied enough
with prevention, keeping it under control and the hunt for a cure.
There's a method to the madness IMO.

But... where did it really come from anyway?
Personally, I always like a good conspiracy theory (emphasis on "good" ;)
yet all the creative answers I've seen in three decades still stink to the
high heavens, which almost leaves only a deliberate plant as an acceptable
reason which would make sense.

So now, you're informing us of this brand new outbreak of something
entirely different but once again, never existed before. I don't only find
that highly interesting as outlined above but I'll say this reeks indeed.

In any case, good luck and good health to you and all your loved ones.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:11:22 GMT

On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 23:51:35 -0800, "1X2Willows"
 wrote:

>Can't say I've been an avid and supporting reader of your posts in the
>past. They're usually a bit extreme, militant gay, borderline hysterical
>for my straight as an arrow taste.

They only SEEM that way, because I am ahead of the times. As anti-gay
witch hunts take off, you'll remember my vociferous declarations and
say to yourself:

"My god, the little fucker was right all along!"

For I INTENTIONALLY wrote my pieces to stick in the memory of ANYONE
who reads 'em. It is my INVESTMENT for a future time, to PROVE to as
many as possibly, my totally ACCURATE gift of prophecy.

Just be clear on one thing above all others: I come out of the PAGAN
tradition, NOT Xian.

The PRICE Goddess ask me to pay for such outspoken claims, was
humiliation...which included people perceiving me as a ditzy, paranoic
faggot. Let me tell you this: my calling is far from easy!

>For example, I don't see any need
>for dualist designations such as Gay Pride or Hetero Shame. 

I do! We need to UNDERLINE the absolute heinousness of heterosexism,
which is NOT being done at all via our conventional "pride"
celebrations...all of which have been sold out to HETERO-dominated
commercialism.

>Being
>a friend of the multitudes of gray between white and black myself,
>I'd prefer slogans like "Sexual Tolerance" uniting the two.

How horridly bland. Mush. Oatmeal. Pap. Farina.

>However, I do agree with you on several points in this case.

Yes, let's get back on track here!  :b

>First, this statistic in the article you quote, no doubt about it, must be
>one of the most sensational pieces of junk science I've ever seen.

THANK YOU.

>Who got paid to deliver such utterly unscientific garbage and by whom?
>Who owns the SF Chronicle these days anyway?

Don't limit your outrage to the media. It is OBVIOUSLY a ploy of the
medical profession, too. S.F. General Hospital AND the UCSF medical
researchers.

>Is someone trying to create a media hype?
>Sure looks like it.

THANK YOU. But "media type" is too general a term, too gentle. This is
an outright ATTACK upon gay people, intended to foment a holocaust.
There are some very intelligent and clever types behind all this. They
are DANGEROUS...and intend to get as many heteros to bash gays as
possible.

>Then we have the current political climate and its obvious slide to the
>right, where promoted "ideal" values and lifestyles are concerned.

It's been "current" since the Democrats went centrist, and Bush
shortly after that, usurped the throne.

>By now, no one asks anymore because everyone is occupied enough
>with prevention, keeping it under control and the hunt for a cure.

Fortunately, some us CONTINUE to question. We are like pitbulls with
our jaws clamped on the legs and arms of our enemies. WE WON'T LET GO
until we have the REAL answers!

Because if we don't get the truth outta them, gays will be in an even
WORSE situation. Which is PRECISELY what is threatening to occur via
this MRSA intrigue...thanks in no small part to the fact that MOST
have stopped questioning the reality of how HIV was first spread among
homosexuals.

But some of us have STRONG suspicions, and have been working
DILIGENTLY to gather more and more evidence.

>There's a method to the madness IMO.

The madness of a death cult: Disciples of the Zodiac Killer. How
they've matured over the decades, and infiltrated many levels and
aspects of society, is all revealed in my book, Friendly Ghost
Detective Agency. I don't get into the details of this cult until
Chapter 6 ("Letters German"). But I've written each chapter to stand
alone w/o any loss of understanding or enjoyment to the rest of my
non-fiction opus.

The book's online version will ALWAYS remain free, no strings
attached, to emphasize the veracity of my work...that I'm not out for
the money so much as to blow the whistle against a very evil force
that threatens the well being of our entire nation AND the world.

So here are a few sub-chapters of Part 6, that will introduce you to
this horrid cult, and how they got started, and how they operate:

I Don't Trust Roman, Here's Why
http://www.gay-bible.org/truetales/Larkin/FG_06-C.htm

First Letter
http://www.gay-bible.org/truetales/Larkin/FG_06-F.htm

There's a Succubus Born Every Minute
http://www.gay-bible.org/truetales/Larkin/FG_06-H.htm

Lord of the Drug Rings
http://www.gay-bible.org/truetales/Larkin/FG_06-M.htm

Disbelief: the Weakest Link
http://www.gay-bible.org/truetales/Larkin/FG_06-R.htm

And of course, what I've most recently posted to newsgroups:

Under Attack
http://www.gay-bible.org/truetales/Larkin/FG_06-T.htm

>So now, you're informing us of this brand new outbreak of something
>entirely different but once again, never existed before. I don't only find
>that highly interesting as outlined above but I'll say this reeks indeed.
>
>In any case, good luck and good health to you and all your loved ones.

THANK YOU! It THRILLS me to hear one's appreciation for my good works,
BY one who previously did not GRASP my attempts to alert people, as
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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: root 
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 20:02:45 +0000

1X2Willows wrote:
> "Chief Thracian"  wrote in message
> news:4792d401.13130574@amsterdam.newsgroups-download.com...
When was the last time you heard that a man was gay because he was 
following in his father's footsteps?

Food for thought, or nought?

golwg

Matthew

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:42:47 GMT

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 20:02:45 +0000, root 
wrote:

>When was the last time you heard that a man was gay because he was 
>following in his father's footsteps?
>
>Food for thought, or nought?

Nonsense. Many gay men are fathers. AND most people are bisexual by
nature...just coerced by a violently anti-gay society to PLAY hetero.

It takes NO brains to insert rod A into slot B. Or to donate sperm to
a bank.

Typical dumb str8 bastard.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: root 
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 16:04:56 +0000

Chief Thracian wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 20:02:45 +0000, root 
> wrote:
> 
>> When was the last time you heard that a man was gay because he was 
>> following in his father's footsteps?
>>
>> Food for thought, or nought?
> 
> Nonsense. Many gay men are fathers. AND most people are bisexual by
> nature...just coerced by a violently anti-gay society to PLAY hetero.
> 
> It takes NO brains to insert rod A into slot B. Or to donate sperm to
> a bank.
> 
> Typical dumb str8 bastard.

Not really, I'm just spouting stereotypical rubbish to see how easy it 
is to get a rise out of you.

I'm not anti-gay, but you at least seem to be anti-straight.

Were your parents breeders?

golwg

Matthew
> 
> 

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:43:21 GMT

On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 16:04:56 +0000, root 
wrote:

>I'm not anti-gay, but you at least seem to be anti-straight.

And proud of it!

>Were your parents breeders?

Faulty questioning. Parenthood is NOT ownership. Homophobic parents
tend to bash their own children, if suspected of being gay. Giving
BIRTH to someone does NOT give you any right to harm them. Breeders
breed NOT because they love children, but because they want to PROVE
to the world they're not faggots. AND that they are loyal citizens to
Big Hetero Brother.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Seamus 
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 10:45:33 -0800 (PST)

On Jan 26, 1:43 pm, chief_thracia...@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
wrote:
> >I'm not anti-gay, but you at least seem to be anti-straight.
>
> And proud of it!

Because you're a raging idiot.

> >Were your parents breeders?
>
> Faulty questioning.

No it wasn't.

>Parenthood is NOT ownership. Homophobic parents
> tend to bash their own children, if suspected of being gay. Giving
> BIRTH to someone does NOT give you any right to harm them. Breeders
> breed NOT because they love children, but because they want to PROVE
> to the world they're not faggots. AND that they are loyal citizens to
> Big Hetero Brother.

And yet everyone is a breeder in your eyes. Your hubris is rather
amusing.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 19:32:10 GMT

On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 10:45:33 -0800 (PST), Seamus
 wrote:

>No it wasn't.

Sorry. I forgot YOU are the last word on all things breeder.

>And yet everyone is a breeder in your eyes. 

I never made such a claim. If you can FIND such a quote by yours
truly, I'll pay you $1,000. I DID say that MOST breeders (heteros) are
homophobic, therefore I DESPISE MOST people. That is a genuine FACT
deserving of genuine OUTRAGE.

>Your hubris is rather amusing.

I wish it WERE hubris, instead of TRUTH.




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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 13:56:05 -0700

"Seamus"  wrote:
(Chief Thracian) wrote:

> > >I'm not anti-gay, but you at least seem to be anti-straight.
> >
> > And proud of it!
>
> Because you're a raging idiot.
>
> > >Were your parents breeders?
> >
> > Faulty questioning.
>
> No it wasn't.
>

It's only faulty if zeke is claiming by default not to have entered the
world in the usual way of humans of any preferentiality.  Maybe he was
decanted in a secret gov-mint lab after all.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "Stacey  Weinberger" 
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 11:26:26 -0800


"Chief Thracian"  wrote in message 
news:479b7e84.4125221@amsterdam.newsgroups-download.com...
> On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 16:04:56 +0000, root 
> wrote:
>
>>I'm not anti-gay, but you at least seem to be anti-straight.
>
> And proud of it!
>
So you are anti-straight no matter who the straight person is? 



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 19:41:25 GMT

On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 11:26:26 -0800, "Stacey  Weinberger"
 wrote:

>So you are anti-straight no matter who the straight person is? 

No. I am anti-heterocentric. MOST straights are arrogant about BEING
straight...for they are heterosexist. Just as a decent black person is
REPULSED by racist whites, I am LIKEWISE repulsed by
heterosexists...which is the MAJORITY of people in this world.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: root 
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:44:09 -0800 (PST)

On Jan 26, 6:43 pm, chief_thracia...@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 16:04:56 +0000, root 
> wrote:
>
> >I'm not anti-gay, but you at least seem to be anti-straight.
>
> And proud of it!

So it seems, well good for you for having strong opinions.
A word of caution though, you will attract the attention of the
typical anti-gay thugs, perhaps that goes part way to explain your
attitude, and the downward spiral you seem to have chosen as a life
path. Not being gay that is, rather, choosing to be ant-straight.

>
> >Were your parents breeders?
>
> Faulty questioning. Parenthood is NOT ownership. Homophobic parents
> tend to bash their own children, if suspected of being gay. Giving
> BIRTH to someone does NOT give you any right to harm them. Breeders
> breed NOT because they love children, but because they want to PROVE
> to the world they're not faggots. AND that they are loyal citizens to
> Big Hetero Brother.

So yes then. Thanks.

golwg

Matthew

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:50:09 GMT

On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:44:09 -0800 (PST), root
 wrote:

>So it seems, well good for you for having strong opinions.

Strong AND accurate.

>A word of caution though, you will attract the attention of the
>typical anti-gay thugs,

No problem. One of my vital missions is to bring the vermin out of the
woodwork. You need not caution me, "friend".

> perhaps that goes part way to explain your
>attitude, and the downward spiral you seem to have chosen as a life
>path. 

How dare you categorize me in such a negative manner! You are NOT god!
As you judge, likewise shall you BE judged!

>Not being gay that is, rather, choosing to be ant-straight.

DEFINITELY an important position to take, in a violently HETEROCENTRIC
world.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:04:34 -0600

chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :

> How dare you categorize me in such a negative manner! You are NOT god!
> As you judge, likewise shall you BE judged!

Yet you appear to have taken on that right quite enthusiastically.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 03:15:58 -0700

"Midwinter"  wrote:
> (Chief Thracian) said :
>
> > How dare you categorize me in such a negative manner! You are NOT god!
> > As you judge, likewise shall you BE judged!
>
> Yet you appear to have taken on that right quite enthusiastically.

Naturally his own rules do not apply to himself.  That would be nearly ...
rational.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:27:11 GMT

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:04:34 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>Yet you appear to have taken on that right quite enthusiastically.

When one is CORRECT, it's a whole differet ball game. Your WIT does
not replace your lack of accuracy.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 22:27:52 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> Midwinter wrote:
>
> >Yet you appear to have taken on that right quite enthusiastically.
>
> When one is CORRECT, it's a whole differet ball game. Your WIT does
> not replace your lack of accuracy.
>

Thus inviting the standard ironic spelling-flame, to wit; "differet" and
'accuracy', huh?  Dumbass much?



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:52:12 GMT

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 22:27:52 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>Thus inviting the standard ironic spelling-flame, to wit; "differet" and
>'accuracy', huh?  Dumbass much?

Grasping at straws again, are we?

It is POOR nettiquette for one poster to accuse another of bad
spelling. Even WORSE to claim that's a sign of stupidity. (Oh, I
forgot: you are GENUINELY braindead, and haven't a clue!)

Since TYPING words via keyboard lends itself to considerable error
(typos). Regardless of whether one is otherwise an excellent speller
or not.

In sum:

You couldn't debate your way out of a paper bag!

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:24:57 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> >Thus inviting the standard ironic spelling-flame, to wit; "differet" and
> >'accuracy', huh?  Dumbass much?
>
> Grasping at straws again, are we?
>
> It is POOR nettiquette for one poster to accuse another of bad
> spelling.

No shit, dumbass.  That's why the reply included the word "ironic", you
imbecile.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:29:21 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
>
> You couldn't debate your way out of a paper bag!
>

You've adaquated demonstrated your inability to debate and are relagated to
derision.  If  _stupid_  were bricks, you'd be your own projects.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:19:03 GMT

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:29:21 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>You've adaquated demonstrated your inability to debate and are relagated to
>derision.  If  _stupid_  were bricks, you'd be your own projects.

It wouldn't be so easy to press your buttons, if they didn't stick out
like syphilitc sores!


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Seamus 
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:25:35 -0800 (PST)

On Jan 31, 10:19=A0pm, chief_thracia...@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
wrote:
> It wouldn't be so easy to press your buttons, if they didn't stick out
> like syphilitc sores!

Pot, meet kettle.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:07:30 GMT

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:25:35 -0800 (PST), Seamus
 wrote:

>Pot, meet kettle.

Spoken like a 3rd-stage syphillitc.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:32:02 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> Seamus  wrote:
>
> >Pot, meet kettle.
>
> Spoken like a 3rd-stage syphillitc.
>

Spoken as if not smarter than a fifth grader after all.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 07:03:05 GMT

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:32:02 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>Spoken as if not smarter than a fifth grader after all.

You WISH you had my IQ!


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 00:27:59 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> >Spoken as if not smarter than a fifth grader after all.
>
> You WISH you had my IQ!
>

Neither a prefrontal lobotomy nor having my shoe size match your IQ are of
any interest to me.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 05:36:24 GMT

On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 00:27:59 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>Neither a prefrontal lobotomy nor having my shoe size match your IQ are of
>any interest to me.

You don't NEED a lobotomy, you're already there! (Which I recommend as
the final solution for ALL breeders who harbor anti-gay attitudes) As
for shoe size: you'd have the biggest feet in the world...in fact,
you'd be featured both in Guiness World Records AND Ripley's Believe
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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:30:49 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> >You've adaquated demonstrated your inability to debate and are relagated
to
> >derision.  If  _stupid_  were bricks, you'd be your own projects.
>
> It wouldn't be so easy to press your buttons, if they didn't stick out
> like syphilitc sores!
>

You are mistaken, (again).  Those are your buttons and your sores; that's
why you can touch them - they're within reach.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:39:33 -0600

chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :

> It is POOR nettiquette for one poster to accuse another of bad
> spelling.

It is - but for the life of me I've never been able to understand why.  
When Poster A is attempting to convince others of their opinion, it is 
comparable to a form of advertising: "I know more about this than you, so 
accept what I tell you".

In the 'real world', badly-spelled or ungrammatical advertising copy 
would undermine a company's credibility.

In the 'real world', a prospective employer would likely reject out of 
hand any CV (résumé, if you prefer) that's badly spelled and presented, 
especially if s/he has more professionally presented ones to consider.

Yet here in Internet-land, all such presentation faults are excused, on 
the grounds that it's 'poor netiquette', or that it's 'not cool' to 
criticise them.  It's claimed that it's the message, not how the message 
is presented, that's important.  In extreme cases, we're expected to 
accept the word of someone who has clearly put no effort into presenting 
their ideas whatsoever, and we're told that if we have to criticise 
spelling, we've 'already lost' (whatever it is we're trying to win).  In 
fact, since presentation is the *first* element of a post that we 
encounter, even before we settle down to read its content, it seems far 
more reasonable to suppose that this should be one of the *first* things 
dealt with - especially when the post is from someone attempting to push 
their opinion forcefully, be they prophet, professor or protester.

I'm not saying that the occasional typo can't be excused - everyone makes 
mistakes, after all.  And I'm not suggesting that it would be desirable 
for every thread to degenerate into squabbles about whether or not you 
can legitimately start a sentence with 'and' (you can, by the way).  But 
(and you can do that, too) sloppy presentation tells us quite unavoidably 
that the poster's mind is not fully on what they're typing - and that in 
turns raises questions about how important what they're typing actually 
is to them.  If it's not important to them, why should it be important to 
me?

We should certainly bear in mind, the net being a global medium, that 
English won't be everyone's first language - and allowances must be made 
for those who've learned it as a foreign language.  But where it clearly 
*is* their first language, conclusions can and should be drawn from the 
poor use of it.


> Even WORSE to claim that's a sign of stupidity. (Oh, I
> forgot: you are GENUINELY braindead, and haven't a clue!)

There are many reasons why a native English speaker might spell, 
punctuate, or construct sentences badly.  One might be that they're 
poorly educated.  Another might be that they are in a highly emotional 
state while they're typing (which category I suspect Chief Thracian falls 
firmly into).  They might be lazy or careless.  They might be any 
combination of these.  There are no doubt other reasons, but these strike 
me as the most likely in any given case.

'Careless', of course, covers a whole range of attitudes and positions - 
and it's certainly true that not everyone is really bothered if their 
spelling's not up to scratch.  In a lot of cases it doesn't really matter 
that much - but again, when someone is trying to flog me their opinion as 
absolute scientific or religious Truth, then I for one am quite willing 
to judge them, at least in part, on how they present it, netiquette or 
not.

 
> Since TYPING words via keyboard lends itself to considerable error
> (typos). Regardless of whether one is otherwise an excellent speller
> or not.

A very old, very tired, very true saying tells us that it's a bad workman 
who blames his tools.  The keyboard is NOT an inherently inaccurate 
method of inputting information.  Considering the number of crucial 
documents that have had to be created with keyboards since the advent of 
the typewriter, we would be in a poor state indeed if what you say here 
were true.

If you're making mistakes, "Chief", then as I said above it seems far 
more likely to be due to your agitated emotional state while you're 
composing your messages - as demonstrated by your angry accusations, your 
apparent paranoia, and your persistent use of capitals for emphasis (some 
in very strange places, as with 'TYPING' above).

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Newsgroups: alt.religion.wicca,alt.religion.druid,alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:16:38 -0700

"Midwinter"  wrote:
> (Chief Thracian) said :
>
> > It is POOR nettiquette for one poster to accuse another of bad
> > spelling.
>
> It is - but for the life of me I've never been able to understand why.
> When Poster A is attempting to convince others of their opinion, it is
> comparable to a form of advertising: "I know more about this than you, so
> accept what I tell you".

Plus, there was the irony-factor involved in, "differet" and  "... lack of
accuracy" being employed by him in the same post.

>
> In the 'real world', badly-spelled or ungrammatical advertising copy
> would undermine a company's credibility.
>
> In the 'real world', a prospective employer would likely reject out of
> hand any CV (résumé, if you prefer) that's badly spelled and presented,
> especially if s/he has more professionally presented ones to consider.

True, and if writen in crayon to boot ... well, the outcome seems
predictable.

>
> Yet here in Internet-land, all such presentation faults are excused, on
> the grounds that it's 'poor netiquette', or that it's 'not cool' to
> criticise them.  It's claimed that it's the message, not how the message
> is presented, that's important.

One possibility for that observation is that the ones utilizing the 'you
spell-lamed me' ploy have nothing significant to offer in the matter being
discussed and attempt a counter-attack.  They could as easily admit to
making spelling errors, (as most people make on occasion - myself included),
and move back to the discussion at hand.  Or, it could be that the subchief
was unaware of the irony in his own post.

>  In extreme cases, we're expected to
> accept the word of someone who has clearly put no effort into presenting
> their ideas whatsoever, and we're told that if we have to criticise
> spelling, we've 'already lost' (whatever it is we're trying to win).  In
> fact, since presentation is the *first* element of a post that we
> encounter, even before we settle down to read its content, it seems far
> more reasonable to suppose that this should be one of the *first* things
> dealt with - especially when the post is from someone attempting to push
> their opinion forcefully, be they prophet, professor or protester.

Sometimes a spelling mistake is just a spelling mizstake.  They can be funny
sometimes.  Other times, they're not.

>
> I'm not saying that the occasional typo can't be excused - everyone makes
> mistakes, after all.  And I'm not suggesting that it would be desirable
> for every thread to degenerate into squabbles about whether or not you
> can legitimately start a sentence with 'and' (you can, by the way).  But
> (and you can do that, too) sloppy presentation tells us quite unavoidably
> that the poster's mind is not fully on what they're typing - and that in
> turns raises questions about how important what they're typing actually
> is to them.  If it's not important to them, why should it be important to
> me?

As a wild-ass-guess, (w.a.g., for the scientists - hey, Raist); mistakes
stem from lack of focus or a focus too tightly-held.  Some people argue just
to argue, others are more emotionally involved and still others actually
employ reason when they discuss matters.

>
> We should certainly bear in mind, the net being a global medium, that
> English won't be everyone's first language - and allowances must be made
> for those who've learned it as a foreign language.  But where it clearly
> *is* their first language, conclusions can and should be drawn from the
> poor use of it.

Agreed, to an extent.  There have been some posters here for whom English is
not their first language and they still managed to come across that barrier
as rational.  Being a dumbass seems to cut across cultural lines in this
particular instance.

>
>
> > Even WORSE to claim that's a sign of stupidity. (Oh, I
> > forgot: you are GENUINELY braindead, and haven't a clue!)

It was dim-witted of you to claim accuracy while mispelling a word in the
same post as your claim.  Ironic too, to reiterate the point.

>
>
> 'Careless', of course, covers a whole range of attitudes and positions -
> and it's certainly true that not everyone is really bothered if their
> spelling's not up to scratch.  In a lot of cases it doesn't really matter
> that much - but again, when someone is trying to flog me their opinion as
> absolute scientific or religious Truth, then I for one am quite willing
> to judge them, at least in part, on how they present it, netiquette or
> not.

To decide is to judge.  To not judge is to be indecisive - even if you're
wrong.

>
>
> > Since TYPING words via keyboard lends itself to considerable error
> > (typos). Regardless of whether one is otherwise an excellent speller
> > or not.
>
> A very old, very tired, very true saying tells us that it's a bad workman
> who blames his tools.  The keyboard is NOT an inherently inaccurate
> method of inputting information.  Considering the number of crucial
> documents that have had to be created with keyboards since the advent of
> the typewriter, we would be in a poor state indeed if what you say here
> were true.

"Guns don't kill people; people kill people."

>
> If you're making mistakes, "Chief", then as I said above it seems far
> more likely to be due to your agitated emotional state while you're
> composing your messages - as demonstrated by your angry accusations, your
> apparent paranoia, and your persistent use of capitals for emphasis (some
> in very strange places, as with 'TYPING' above).

Zeke now claims an unknown disability is affecting his ability to ... er,
not be a dipshit?



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Newsgroups: alt.religion.wicca,alt.religion.druid,alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:39:40 GMT

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:16:38 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>It was dim-witted of you to claim accuracy while mispelling a word in the
>same post as your claim.  Ironic too, to reiterate the point.

Strategy of the bully: to keep on kicking his victim when he's down.
Yes, it's FUNNY I made a typo in that context, but to pick on me like
a VULTURE only makes YOU the fool.

Grasping at straws again, AND deflected from the important topic at
hand. Claiming to NOT be anti-gay while simultaneously displaying ALL
the earmarks of a homophobe, in your manipulative replies.


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Newsgroups: alt.religion.wicca,alt.religion.druid,alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:40:03 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> >It was dim-witted of you to claim accuracy while mispelling a word in the
> >same post as your claim.  Ironic too, to reiterate the point.
>
> Strategy of the bully: to keep on kicking his victim when he's down.

Just watching you kicking yourself is sufficient.

> Yes, it's FUNNY I made a typo in that context, but to pick on me like
> a VULTURE only makes YOU the fool.

Don't be such a whiner, you whiner.

>
> Grasping at straws again, AND deflected from the important topic at
> hand.

So, you are essentially admitting that you made an ironically-stupid post,
(one of many but, this one's just an example).

> Claiming to NOT be anti-gay while simultaneously displaying ALL
> the earmarks of a homophobe, in your manipulative replies.
>

Alternatively, my replies have been stupid-phobic and strongly opposed to
the idiocy displayed by your posts; gay, straight, bisexual, tricycle -
whatever, you come across as a dumbshit here, (in the manner you present
yourself).  My responses are intended as sarcastic, (hence the nym used),
and your accusations are as empthy as your mind unless you can justify them
with actual evidence.  Start with what the 'earmarks' of a homophobe are -
not just in your twisted view but, objectively.  Or, rant and rave some more
to serve your beast.




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Newsgroups: alt.religion.wicca,alt.religion.druid,alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 07:04:27 GMT

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:40:03 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>Alternatively, my replies have been stupid-phobic and strongly opposed to
>the idiocy displayed by your posts; gay, straight, bisexual, tricycle -
>whatever, you come across as a dumbshit here, (in the manner you present
>yourself).  My responses are intended as sarcastic, (hence the nym used),

Cop out!


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Newsgroups: alt.religion.wicca,alt.religion.druid,alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 00:29:54 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> >Alternatively, my replies have been stupid-phobic and strongly opposed to
> >the idiocy displayed by your posts; gay, straight, bisexual, tricycle -
> >whatever, you come across as a dumbshit here, (in the manner you present
> >yourself).  My responses are intended as sarcastic, (hence the nym used),
>
> Cop out!
>

No, seriously, zeke.  My replies have reflected my prejudice against the
abyssmally-stupid ones such as yourself.  Maybe it's wrong and bigotted but,
there you have it.



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Newsgroups: alt.religion.wicca,alt.religion.druid,alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:36:35 GMT

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:39:33 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>It is - but for the life of me I've never been able to understand why.  
>When Poster A is attempting to convince others of their opinion, it is 
>comparable to a form of advertising: "I know more about this than you, so 
>accept what I tell you".

Main point: those who know NOTHING about the gay issue PERSIST in
being the last word on that topic! I DO know more! Just as anyone who
specializes in a field knows more on that subject that most everyone
else. I DON'T feign false humility.

>In the 'real world', badly-spelled or ungrammatical advertising copy 
>would undermine a company's credibility.

This is Usenet, not Encyclopedia Brittanica. It has LONG been
established nettiquette that is is BAD FORM to criticize another's bad
spelling or punctuation as a way to win an argument.

>In the 'real world', a prospective employer would likely reject out of 
>hand any CV (résumé, if you prefer) that's badly spelled and presented, 
>especially if s/he has more professionally presented ones to consider.

Usent is a venue where heated and/or exciting exhange occurs...often
by interested parties staying up late at night to participate. Flying
one's fingers across the keyboard in anger or enthusiasm often makes
bad spellers of even the best. You KNOW that. You're just grasping a
straws and deflecting from the topic at hand, as a tactic of
subterfuge and defamation. Ho-hum. Same old, same old.

>In extreme cases, we're expected to 
>accept the word of someone who has clearly put no effort into presenting 
>their ideas whatsoever, and we're told that if we have to criticise 
>spelling, we've 'already lost' (whatever it is we're trying to win).  

Apples and oranges. Questioning one's veracity is NOT the same thing
in any way, shape or form, as questioning one's typos. The first is
quite acceptable, the second, a lowbrow from of sophistry.

> But 
>(and you can do that, too) sloppy presentation tells us quite unavoidably 
>that the poster's mind is not fully on what they're typing

Grasping at straws! My typing in newsgroups is 95% ACCURATE. A very
HIGH rating.

> - and that in 
>turns raises questions about how important what they're typing actually 
>is to them.  

But in my case, what few typos occur are jumped all over, because
they're arrogant homophobes, and I've pressed their sorry little
buttons. What YOU claim is going on re. my typose is NOT the truth.

>But where it clearly 
>*is* their first language, conclusions can and should be drawn from the 
>poor use of it.

My use of the English language is FAR from poor. As demonstrated by my
MYRIAD blog entries which include tales, non-fiction accounts, poetry,
and letters. Same goes for my web site. I am a MASTER of the English
language, it's a gift since early childhood, my destiny. You've thus
far IGNORED the two tales I've posted in this thread, as a "thank you"
to certain supporters. INTENTIONALLY ignored them, of course.

>Another might be that they are in a highly emotional 
>state while they're typing (which category I suspect Chief Thracian falls 
>firmly into). 

Oh puhleease! It is COMMON that posters are highly emotional! Many
Usenet debates are heated! Are you implying that's a BAD thing? And
that "highly emotional" equates with mental instability? You sound a
the ghost from the Mcarthy Era!

There is EVERY REASON I'm highly emotional over the subject I
instigated. For OBVIOUS reason, which I care not to repeat.

>They might be lazy or careless.  They might be any 
>combination of these.  There are no doubt other reasons, but these strike 
>me as the most likely in any given case.

Absolutely wrong. You ERR in so many ways!

>absolute scientific or religious Truth, then I for one am quite willing 
>to judge them, at least in part, on how they present it, netiquette or 
>not.

I sincerely doubt you are THAT nit-picky. You are using a double
standard to demean my statements.

>A very old, very tired, very true saying tells us that it's a bad workman 
>who blames his tools. 

More bull dung! Some of the very BEST authors have been notoriously
BAD spellers. You ALSO grossly exaggerate what typos I've created. To
suit your hostile whim.

>your persistent use of capitals for emphasis (some 
>in very strange places, as with 'TYPING' above).

It is simply a STYLE I prefer. None of my uppercase-empasized are in
STRANGE places. I reiterate: you are using a double standard in order
to trivialize and defame the good words of a gay activist.

Same old, same old. Ho-hum. Ho-mophobia.



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Newsgroups: alt.religion.wicca,alt.religion.druid,alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:59:27 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> Midwinter  wrote:
>
>
> >In the 'real world', badly-spelled or ungrammatical advertising copy
> >would undermine a company's credibility.
>
> This is Usenet, not Encyclopedia Brittanica. It has LONG been
> established nettiquette that is is BAD FORM to criticize another's bad
> spelling or punctuation as a way to win an argument.
>

That is faulty logic.  It does not follow that because a thing has been
done, that is is the correct way to proceed.  Further, informing another
poster of a spelling error does not 'win' an argument, it is merely a
tell-tale segue.

> >In the 'real world', a prospective employer would likely reject out of
> >hand any CV (résumé, if you prefer) that's badly spelled and presented,
> >especially if s/he has more professionally presented ones to consider.
>
> Usent is a venue where heated and/or exciting exhange occurs...often
> by interested parties staying up late at night to participate. Flying
> one's fingers across the keyboard in anger or enthusiasm often makes
> bad spellers of even the best. You KNOW that. You're just grasping a
> straws and deflecting from the topic at hand, as a tactic of
> subterfuge and defamation. Ho-hum. Same old, same old.
>

And yet, you attempt to dodge Midwinter's point, (or truly cannot see it).
That point being that for you, those errors and typos are a direct result of
those emotions which caused them.  Therefore, his observations about the
veracity of your arguments which stemmed from those emotions is verified by
your own words.  You must never assume that others are as unobservant or
dumb as you, zeke.

> >In extreme cases, we're expected to
> >accept the word of someone who has clearly put no effort into presenting
> >their ideas whatsoever, and we're told that if we have to criticise
> >spelling, we've 'already lost' (whatever it is we're trying to win).
>
> Apples and oranges.

Faulty generalization on your part.  It is not a matter of apples and
oranges due to the direct relevancy of the parallel analogy used by
Midwinter.  See below.

> Questioning one's veracity is NOT the same thing
> in any way, shape or form, as questioning one's typos. The first is
> quite acceptable, the second, a lowbrow from of sophistry.

Sophistry?  You seem sufficient well-versed in its use, given your constant
utilization here, to not mis-label the analogy.  Now it becomes doubtful
that you know what sophistry is without looking the term up.

>
>
> But in my case, what few typos occur are jumped all over, because
> they're arrogant homophobes,

No, that's how you see it - which is far from accurately.  In context, the
particular typo referred to was ironic.  Go look up irony.

> What YOU claim is going on re. my typose is NOT the truth.

It isn't?  "typose" ... naw, too easy.  Move along.

>
> I am a MASTER of the English
> language, it's a gift since early childhood, my destiny.

Bahahahahahaha, that's a good one!

>
> >Another might be that they are in a highly emotional
> >state while they're typing (which category I suspect Chief Thracian falls
> >firmly into).
>
> Oh puhleease! It is COMMON that posters are highly emotional! Many
> Usenet debates are heated! Are you implying that's a BAD thing? And
> that "highly emotional" equates with mental instability? You sound a
> the ghost from the Mcarthy Era!
>
> There is EVERY REASON I'm highly emotional over the subject I
> instigated. For OBVIOUS reason, which I care not to repeat.
>

Thus supporting Midwinter's, (and incidentally, my), point.  You are not the
master of your emotions, you are their slave.

> >They might be lazy or careless.  They might be any
> >combination of these.  There are no doubt other reasons, but these strike
> >me as the most likely in any given case.
>
> Absolutely wrong. You ERR in so many ways!
>

Merely declaring that a conclusion is worthless.  You are unwilling to
justify your conclusion logically, demonstrating that you are irrational and
slave to your own emotions.





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Newsgroups: alt.religion.wicca,alt.religion.druid,alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:38:49 -0700

"sarchasm"  wrote:
> "Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> > Midwinter  wrote:
> >
> >
> > >In the 'real world', badly-spelled or ungrammatical advertising copy
> > >would undermine a company's credibility.
> >
> > This is Usenet, not Encyclopedia Brittanica. It has LONG been
> > established nettiquette that is is BAD FORM to criticize another's bad
> > spelling or punctuation as a way to win an argument.
> >
>
> That is faulty logic.  It does not follow that because a thing has been
> done, that is is the correct way to proceed.  Further, informing another
> poster of a spelling error does not 'win' an argument, it is merely a
> tell-tale segue.
>
> > >In the 'real world', a prospective employer would likely reject out of
> > >hand any CV (résumé, if you prefer) that's badly spelled and presented,
> > >especially if s/he has more professionally presented ones to consider.
> >
> > Usent is a venue where heated and/or exciting exhange occurs...often
> > by interested parties staying up late at night to participate. Flying
> > one's fingers across the keyboard in anger or enthusiasm often makes
> > bad spellers of even the best. You KNOW that. You're just grasping a
> > straws and deflecting from the topic at hand, as a tactic of
> > subterfuge and defamation. Ho-hum. Same old, same old.
> >
>
> And yet, you attempt to dodge Midwinter's point, (or truly cannot see it).
> That point being that for you, those errors and typos are a direct result
of
> those emotions which caused them.  Therefore, his observations about the
> veracity of your arguments which stemmed from those emotions is verified
by
> your own words.  You must never assume that others are as unobservant or
> dumb as you, zeke.
>
> > >In extreme cases, we're expected to
> > >accept the word of someone who has clearly put no effort into
presenting
> > >their ideas whatsoever, and we're told that if we have to criticise
> > >spelling, we've 'already lost' (whatever it is we're trying to win).
> >
> > Apples and oranges.
>
> Faulty generalization on your part.  It is not a matter of apples and
> oranges due to the direct relevancy of the parallel analogy used by
> Midwinter.  See below.
>
> > Questioning one's veracity is NOT the same thing
> > in any way, shape or form, as questioning one's typos. The first is
> > quite acceptable, the second, a lowbrow from of sophistry.
>
> Sophistry?  You seem sufficient well-versed in its use, given your
constant
> utilization here, to not mis-label the analogy.  Now it becomes doubtful
> that you know what sophistry is without looking the term up.
>
> >
> >
> > But in my case, what few typos occur are jumped all over, because
> > they're arrogant homophobes,
>
> No, that's how you see it - which is far from accurately.  In context, the
> particular typo referred to was ironic.  Go look up irony.
>
> > What YOU claim is going on re. my typose is NOT the truth.
>
> It isn't?  "typose" ... naw, too easy.  Move along.
>
> >
> > I am a MASTER of the English
> > language, it's a gift since early childhood, my destiny.
>
> Bahahahahahaha, that's a good one!
>
> >
> > >Another might be that they are in a highly emotional
> > >state while they're typing (which category I suspect Chief Thracian
falls
> > >firmly into).
> >
> > Oh puhleease! It is COMMON that posters are highly emotional! Many
> > Usenet debates are heated! Are you implying that's a BAD thing? And
> > that "highly emotional" equates with mental instability? You sound a
> > the ghost from the Mcarthy Era!
> >
> > There is EVERY REASON I'm highly emotional over the subject I
> > instigated. For OBVIOUS reason, which I care not to repeat.
> >
>
> Thus supporting Midwinter's, (and incidentally, my), point.  You are not
the
> master of your emotions, you are their slave.
>
> > >They might be lazy or careless.  They might be any
> > >combination of these.  There are no doubt other reasons, but these
strike
> > >me as the most likely in any given case.
> >
> > Absolutely wrong. You ERR in so many ways!
> >
>
> Merely declaring that a conclusion is worthless.  You are unwilling to
> justify your conclusion logically, demonstrating that you are irrational
and
> slave to your own emotions.
>

[correction: 'Merely declaring that a conclusion' _is wrong_ 'is
worthless.']
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Newsgroups: alt.religion.wicca,alt.religion.druid,alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 07:12:02 GMT

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:59:27 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>That point being that for you, those errors and typos are a direct result of
>those emotions which caused them. 

That's what you WISH they are! My typos come from HOURS of typing
rapidly each day. By the time I participate in Usenet groups, I'm
already typed out from writing my tales, papers and letter...I have
mild RSI and carpal tunnel, and I'm physically tired after a hard
day's work.

>Sophistry?  You seem sufficient well-versed in its use, given your constant
>utilization here, to not mis-label the analogy.  Now it becomes doubtful
>that you know what sophistry is without looking the term up.

No, I don't need to look it up. But YOU do!

>No, that's how you see it - which is far from accurately. 

Sorry, bigot. I know myself BETTER than anyone else except Goddess.

> In context, the
>particular typo referred to was ironic.  Go look up irony.

Yes, it was ironic. I'm willing to be laughed out. But you idiots are
USING that as a weapon of character defamation. You ooze
maliciousness!

>It isn't?  "typose" ... naw, too easy.  Move along.

You can WIN the irony argument. No contest. That does NOT make you a
winner in any OTHER way. Sorry! I'm still light years ahead!

>> I am a MASTER of the English
>> language, it's a gift since early childhood, my destiny.
>
>Bahahahahahaha, that's a good one!

READ my web log. As I said before, no false humility here. Whenever I
do open-mic, depending on the tale, I can have the audience break down
in tears, or fall off their chairs laughing. I am most proud of my
Goddess-given gift as author and speaker.

>Thus supporting Midwinter's, (and incidentally, my), point.  You are not the
>master of your emotions, you are their slave.

Not the same thing as saying it's NORMAL to have heated debates in
newsgroups. Try again.

>Merely declaring that a conclusion is worthless.  You are unwilling to
>justify your conclusion logically, demonstrating that you are irrational and
>slave to your own emotions.

I DID justify my conclusions logically. You're just UNHAPPY about
this.


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Newsgroups: alt.religion.wicca,alt.religion.druid,alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 00:43:02 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> >That point being that for you, those errors and typos are a direct result
of
> >those emotions which caused them.
>
> That's what you WISH they are! My typos come from HOURS of typing
> rapidly each day.

"COPOUT" --

> By the time I participate in Usenet groups, I'm
> already typed out from writing my tales, papers and letter...I have
> mild RSI and carpal tunnel, and I'm physically tired after a hard
> day's work.

"COPOUT" --

>
> >Sophistry?  You seem sufficient well-versed in its use, given your
constant
> >utilization here, to not mis-label the analogy.  Now it becomes doubtful
> >that you know what sophistry is without looking the term up.
>
> No, I don't need to look it up. But YOU do!

Oh man, not a lame 'I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I?'
"COPOUT" --

>
> >No, that's how you see it - which is far from accurately.
>
> Sorry, bigot. I know myself BETTER than anyone else except Goddess.

Perhaps and yet, you remain inaccurate, despite your irrational claims to
the contrary.

>
> > In context, the
> >particular typo referred to was ironic.  Go look up irony.
>
> Yes, it was ironic. I'm willing to be laughed out.

Excellent.  You are likely accustomed to it.

>
> >It isn't?  "typose" ... naw, too easy.  Move along.
>
> You can WIN the irony argument. No contest.

There was nothing to 'win'.  Either my position was accurate, or yours was.
Same goes for the other subjects - with the same result.

> That does NOT make you a
> winner in any OTHER way. Sorry! I'm still light years ahead!

Again, claiming 'victory' does not grant victory.  You can keep petualantly
claiming it though, that cracks me up every time.

>
> >> I am a MASTER of the English
> >> language, it's a gift since early childhood, my destiny.
> >
> >Bahahahahahaha, that's a good one!
>
> READ my web log.

FuckenA, zeke, aren't there enough examples of your sophistry posted here?
Damn, man (sorry - a colloquial euphemism).

>
> >Thus supporting Midwinter's, (and incidentally, my), point.  You are not
the
> >master of your emotions, you are their slave.
>
> Not the same thing as saying it's NORMAL to have heated debates in
> newsgroups.

It's also not the same as you dodging the evident conclusion that you are a
slave to your own emotions.  Kind of gets you - right *there*, doesn't it?

>
> >Merely declaring that a conclusion is wrong is worthless.  You are
unwilling to
> >justify your conclusion logically, demonstrating that you are irrational
and
> >slave to your own emotions.
>
> I DID justify my conclusions logically.

Sadly, your claim is false.  As usual.

> You're just UNHAPPY about this.

There is very little to virtually no emotional investment in this on my
part.  Since you don't get to decide, you are easily proven incorrect.
Again.




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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 05:39:40 GMT

On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 00:43:02 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>Again, claiming 'victory' does not grant victory.

I claim victory simply because I KNOW what is going on, and what
you're up to!

> You can keep petualantly claiming it though, that cracks me up every time.

No problemo. I will have the last laugh, no matter WHAT.

>There is very little to virtually no emotional investment in this on my
>part.  

Yes, of course. You're cool as a cucumber. That's because you're
SITTING on one.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 07:11:18 -0600

chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :

> Main point: those who know NOTHING about the gay issue PERSIST in
> being the last word on that topic! I DO know more!

Of course you do: your self-image demands it.  That doesn't mean it's 
true, of course.  Oh, you know the slurs, I'll grant you that - more than 
I'm familiar with, in fact.  But knowing the slang with which to insult 
someone doesn't necessarily show that you're better informed.


> Just as anyone who
> specializes in a field knows more on that subject that most everyone
> else. I DON'T feign false humility.

No - I think we would all agree that humility of any kind is *not* an 
issue with you.


>>In the 'real world', badly-spelled or ungrammatical advertising copy 
>>would undermine a company's credibility.
> 
> This is Usenet, not Encyclopedia Brittanica. It has LONG been
> established nettiquette that is is BAD FORM to criticize another's bad
> spelling or punctuation as a way to win an argument.

Yep - but I've given my thoughts on that already.  I don't expect people 
to be perfect and never make mistakes and typos - I know I do.  But as 
I've said, if someone is trying to push a point of view on me, or set 
themselves up as an authority on something (and especially when, as in 
your case, they have an appallingly bad attitude), I *will* take their 
presentation, their grammar and their spelling into account when 
assessing their authority.

Someone who cares about their subject - and is not driven by emotion - 
will take the time to express their views clearly.  That, after all, is 
the purpose of language and it is why English now has standard spellings: 
to enable us to communicate more clearly.

The netiquette admonition against criticising spelling might excuse all 
that, but it doesn't change it.

And incidentally, it's 'Britannica'.  And you put an extra 't' in 
'netiquette'.

 
> Usent is a venue where heated and/or exciting exhange occurs...often
> by interested parties staying up late at night to participate. Flying
> one's fingers across the keyboard in anger or enthusiasm often makes
> bad spellers of even the best. You KNOW that.

I do.  It is, in fact, what I said.  Posting *in anger* makes for bad 
spelling.  Enthusiasm, yes, sure - but in either case, it means that 
emotion is driving the post, not logic.


> You're just grasping a
> straws and deflecting from the topic at hand, as a tactic of
> subterfuge and defamation.

I don't need subterfuge here.  I'm addressing the substance of your 
argument as well (such as it is).  The presentation issue is secondary, 
but still worth covering.

 
> Apples and oranges. Questioning one's veracity is NOT the same thing
> in any way, shape or form, as questioning one's typos.

It's not the same thing, no.  It is, however, one of the factors by which 
a post - and therefore the one who posted it - can be assessed by 
readers.


> Grasping at straws! My typing in newsgroups is 95% ACCURATE. A very
> HIGH rating.

I don't care about your accuracy statistics.  I'm sure no-one could claim 
to be 100% accurate in spelling, grammar or punctuation - I certainly 
wouldn't claim to be.  I'd be cagey about claiming 95%.  The question is 
not what some statistics might show - it's how clear your posting is.

For what it's worth, I don't think your posts have been particularly bad 
in these terms - but since the "you can't criticise spelling" argument 
was raised I feel compelled to oppose it, since I firmly disagree with 
it.


> But in my case, what few typos occur are jumped all over, because
> they're arrogant homophobes, and I've pressed their sorry little
> buttons. What YOU claim is going on re. my typose is NOT the truth.

The typos certainly aren't as much as concern as your obvious prejudices 
are.  That's what people are really challenging you for - or were, 
initially.  The fact is that people are now simply playing games with 
you, because you're so prone to go off like a rocket at everything 
anybody says to you.  Your anger and abusiveness have made you into a 
comedy turn here, yet you continue to play into that by making all these 
groundless accusations of homophobia and conspiracy against anyone who 
challenges you.  That looks pretty silly when it's obvious you don't know 
the first thing about the people you're so accusing.

The truth is that if you could somehow bring yourself to calm down a 
little and stop flying off the handle, you wouldn't be providing people 
with so much entertainment, and you might, possibly, start to get taken 
seriously.


> My use of the English language is FAR from poor. As demonstrated by my
> MYRIAD blog entries which include tales, non-fiction accounts, poetry,
> and letters. Same goes for my web site. I am a MASTER of the English
> language

Good for you.  See above.


> Oh puhleease! It is COMMON that posters are highly emotional! Many
> Usenet debates are heated! Are you implying that's a BAD thing?

Yes.  Posters who write and post in an emotional state are less likely to 
make a convincing case for themselves.  They make mistakes in 
presentation - which, as we've discussed, are inevitable but can be 
minimised with a little care - and more importantly they make mistakes in 
logic.

We're all prone to mistakes in logic and reasoning.  I certainly am.  I 
get angry and offended the same as the next person.  And I often continue 
discussions long after their useful life.  Don't get the idea I'm 
claiming my arguments are always right, either.  If someone makes an 
argument that shows my position to be wrong, and I can see the sense in 
that argument, then I'll change my position.  I'm not afraid or ashamed 
to do that.  But it depends on attitude: if all they can do to challenge 
my existing opinion is rant and shout and call me names, then they're not 
likely to achieve their goal.

But getting oneself all wound up prior to posting, and posting in full 
surrender to that, increases the likelihood of such errors - and I can't 
see why anyone would willingly choose that.


> that "highly emotional" equates with mental instability? You sound a
> the ghost from the Mcarthy Era!

No, not 'mental instability'.  Just decreased clarity and often fuzzy 
reasoning.

 
> There is EVERY REASON I'm highly emotional over the subject I
> instigated. For OBVIOUS reason, which I care not to repeat.

I know your reasons.  But even so, your posting attitude is your own 
choice.  You can be emotional without allowing your emotion to drive you 
into frankly fairly idiotic screeching such as you've offered so far.

 
> Absolutely wrong. You ERR in so many ways!

Certainly I do.  I can recognise that.  Can you recognise your own 
errors?

 
>>absolute scientific or religious Truth, then I for one am quite
>>willing to judge them, at least in part, on how they present it,
>>netiquette or not.
> 
> I sincerely doubt you are THAT nit-picky. You are using a double
> standard to demean my statements.

No, I assure you, I'm capable of quite breathtaking pedantry.  In 
deference to the rules of netiquette (not to mention civility), I usually 
rein it in.  But when someone's setting themselves up on an unreasonably 
high pedestal, then I spare them nothing.

 
>>A very old, very tired, very true saying tells us that it's a bad
>>workman who blames his tools. 
> 
> More bull dung! Some of the very BEST authors have been notoriously
> BAD spellers.

So they have.  But there's a difference between being a bad speller and 
attempting to blame it on your keyboard.


> You ALSO grossly exaggerate what typos I've created. To
> suit your hostile whim.

Actually, no: I'm the one who's said I don't think your spelling's that 
much of an issue.  What *is* quite obviously an issue is your abject 
surrender to your anger and hatred.  Your spelling problems might be 
nothing more than a consequence of that.


> Same old, same old. Ho-hum. Ho-mophobia.

Back to your safe place: if in doubt, homophobe.  This is your prejudice 
- and this is why you are a hindrance to the cause of gay rights.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 06:03:06 GMT

On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 07:11:18 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>But as 
>I've said, if someone is trying to push a point of view on me, or set 
>themselves up as an authority on something (and especially when, as in 
>your case, they have an appallingly bad attitude), I *will* take their 
>presentation, their grammar and their spelling into account when 
>assessing their authority.

Then you put yourself on the wrong track, right from the beginning. It
sucks to be you!

>Someone who cares about their subject - and is not driven by emotion - 
>will take the time to express their views clearly.  

Nothing wrong with being driven by emotion. Both intellect and emotion
CAN go hand in hand, and benefit each other. I am a PASSIONATE man,
which has been most helpful in my creative endeavors as an author and
speaker. I see very little advantage to suppressing one's emotions in
order to appear intellectual to others.

>And incidentally, it's 'Britannica'.  And you put an extra 't' in 
>'netiquette'.

You've been grasping at straws for COUNTLESS messages! Were they beads
I could make a necklace.

>I do.  It is, in fact, what I said.  Posting *in anger* makes for bad 
>spelling.  Enthusiasm, yes, sure - but in either case, it means that 
>emotion is driving the post, not logic.

Nope. Wrong again as usual. It CAN and often DOES mean that both
emotion AND intellect play an equal share. Which makes for both
colorful AND informative writing.

>The question is 
>not what some statistics might show - it's how clear your posting is.

Oh, well then. If CLARITY is the main measure, then my accuracy in
posts is 99.99%, instead of the 95% accuracy I stated, based soley on
typos.

>For what it's worth, I don't think your posts have been particularly bad 
>in these terms - but since the "you can't criticise spelling" argument 
>was raised I feel compelled to oppose it, since I firmly disagree with 
>it.

Disagree all you want. But rules of netiquette are there for a very
intelligent and useful reason. Why not take up your case with the
Usenet administration?

>The fact is that people are now simply playing games with 
>you, because you're so prone to go off like a rocket at everything 
>anybody says to you.

Nonsense.

>Your anger and abusiveness have made you into a 
>comedy turn here, 

Nonsense. I am neither angry nor abusive. The record stands. The only
ones who feign amusement are sinister types who already perceives gays
as a sick joke.

>yet you continue to play into that by making all these 
>groundless accusations of homophobia and conspiracy

Nonsense. The accusations are FAR from groundless.

>That looks pretty silly when it's obvious you don't know 
>the first thing about the people you're so accusing.

I DO know the first thing. Since I grasp the mentality of the
homophobe. They ALL go by certain tenets that are all too OBVIOUS to
savvy gays.

>The truth is that if you could somehow bring yourself to calm down a 
>little and stop flying off the handle, you wouldn't be providing people 
>with so much entertainment, and you might, possibly, start to get taken 
>seriously.

More nonsense.

>Yes.  Posters who write and post in an emotional state are less likely to 
>make a convincing case for themselves.  

Not at all true. An overly broad generalization. Some of the BEST and
most CONVINCING debates have also been the most passionate.

>We're all prone to mistakes in logic and reasoning.  I certainly am.

UNDERSTATEMENT!

>But getting oneself all wound up prior to posting, and posting in full 
>surrender to that, increases the likelihood of such errors - and I can't 
>see why anyone would willingly choose that.

I was certainly NOT in full surrender to my emotions. You sound like
an elitist who thinks he's SUPERIOR to those who are expressive with
their emotions. You'd NEVER be a successful artist in any field! AND
before you retort with the obvious: great writers/artists can make
EXCELLENT activists and politicians. Think Leon Tolstoy. Think Vaclav
Havel.

>But when someone's setting themselves up on an unreasonably 
>high pedestal, then I spare them nothing.

And in so doing, knock yourself down instead, for the fool you are.
You CAN'T knock me off a pedestal...I stand on solid ground in my
claims.

>But there's a difference between being a bad speller and 
>attempting to blame it on your keyboard.

Depends on the context. Many good spellers come up with more typos on
keyboards, because the tendency to type faster than on typewriters
creates more errors. 'Cause it's EASIER to slip up. Whatever. I
already said I type hours a day...so keep your prejudices, I never
expected to CHANGE you, only to draw you out of the woodwork.

>Actually, no: I'm the one who's said I don't think your spelling's that 
>much of an issue. 

You certainly have seen fit to FOCUS on my scant typos as a RATIONAL
for further defamation! Now you're backing off because I've exposed
your strategy for the skulduggery it is! Getting desperate, are we?

>What *is* quite obviously an issue is your abject 
>surrender to your anger and hatred.

No the REAL issue is all the various MANEUVERS you make in attempts to
trivialize my posts as a gay activist. It sticks out like a sore thumb
at this point!

>Your spelling problems might be 
>nothing more than a consequence of that.

1. They are NOT problems. ALL frequent posters who happen to be
excellent spellers, have just as many, if not MORE typos than myself,
for reasons I already explained.

2. Nope. I already TOLD you: what typos I make are a consequence of
exhaustion after hours of typing BEFORE I begin my usenet posting.

So get over it!

>Back to your safe place: if in doubt, homophobe.  

Oh, no doubt here.

>This is your prejudice 
>- and this is why you are a hindrance to the cause of gay rights.

Ah, again you are the last word in gay issues. Sorry, I forgot!



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 05:26:09 -0600

chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :

> Then you put yourself on the wrong track, right from the beginning. It
> sucks to be you!

It sucks to be me because I try to take all salient factors into account 
when assessing someone's post?  I suppose from the point of view of 
someone who doesn't need information from any external source in order to 
form a judgement on someone, that *would* seem pretty odd.

 
>>Someone who cares about their subject - and is not driven by emotion -
>>will take the time to express their views clearly.  
> 
> Nothing wrong with being driven by emotion.

But there is - as any dispassionate observer of this thread could attest.  
Your emotion drives you to lash out before you've developed any real 
picture of the situation.  Your emotion - and your surrender to it - 
leads you to make irrational claims, and judgements with no factual 
basis.  It leads you to conclusions that enable you to indulge your 
emotion, rather than having to contain it while you reassess your views.


> I see very little advantage to suppressing one's emotions in
> order to appear intellectual to others.

Appearing intellectual has nothing to do with it.  Balance and 
objectivity are *everything* in a situation like this.

 
>>And incidentally, it's 'Britannica'.  And you put an extra 't' in 
>>'netiquette'.
> 
> You've been grasping at straws for COUNTLESS messages!

Possibly.  But you still made the errors.  It's just to point out that I 
can criticise your arguments as well, see.


> Were they beads I could make a necklace.

And if wishes were fishes, they'd be slippery and scaly.

 
> Nope. Wrong again as usual. It CAN and often DOES mean that both
> emotion AND intellect play an equal share.

There's nothing equal, though, about raging away like a fanatic, or 
launching yourself full throttle at anyone you perceive as 'the enemy', 
as you've done here from the start.


> Which makes for both
> colorful AND informative writing.

It's certainly informative.  It tells us a great deal about you.

 
>>The question is 
>>not what some statistics might show - it's how clear your posting is.
> 
> Oh, well then. If CLARITY is the main measure, then my accuracy in
> posts is 99.99%, instead of the 95% accuracy I stated, based soley on
> typos.

As I said, statistics - especially made-up-out-of-whole-cloth statistics 
- are irrelevant.

 
> Disagree all you want. But rules of netiquette are there for a very
> intelligent and useful reason. Why not take up your case with the
> Usenet administration?

When the 'Usenet administration' want to pick up on me for rejecting this 
particular rule, I'll discuss it with them.


>>The fact is that people are now simply playing games with 
>>you, because you're so prone to go off like a rocket at everything 
>>anybody says to you.
> 
> Nonsense.

The record stands.  And didn't you say you were copying all this onto 
your website?  Any tweaking or editing going on before you post it?

 
>>Your anger and abusiveness have made you into a 
>>comedy turn here, 
> 
> Nonsense. I am neither angry nor abusive.

Sorry, I think something short-circuited somewhere.  Haven't you just 
spent pages telling me how proud you are to be angry for such a righteous 
cause?  And as for abusive, you fire off epithets like a Minigun.

So either you're massively, hugely deluded; or you're just a straight-
out, bare-faced liar.  And I don't use that latter accusation lightly, 
let me assure you.  So which is it?


>>That looks pretty silly when it's obvious you don't know 
>>the first thing about the people you're so accusing.
> 
> I DO know the first thing. Since I grasp the mentality of the
> homophobe.

In other words, we - the people you've been addressing here - are 
whatever you decide we are?

Sorry, but that's not going to happen.


>>The truth is that if you could somehow bring yourself to calm down a 
>>little and stop flying off the handle, you wouldn't be providing
>>people with so much entertainment, and you might, possibly, start to
>>get taken seriously.
> 
> More nonsense.

Mmm.  That seems to be how you view constructive suggestions.  Shame.

 
>>Yes.  Posters who write and post in an emotional state are less likely
>>to make a convincing case for themselves.  
> 
> Not at all true. An overly broad generalization. Some of the BEST and
> most CONVINCING debates have also been the most passionate.

In rare enough cases, maybe so.  But let me assure you, your 'passion' 
does *not* put you into that category.


> I was certainly NOT in full surrender to my emotions. You sound like
> an elitist who thinks he's SUPERIOR to those who are expressive with
> their emotions.

Not really - I'm more than happy for people to express their emotions.  
But being emotional doesn't necessarily make you right.  Appeals to 
emotion usually make for seriously flawed arguments.


> You'd NEVER be a successful artist in any field!

=========================================================================
Hobbes: You should be more alert! You wouldn't last two seconds in the 
jungle.

Calvin: That's why I live HERE, you dolt!

- Bill Watterson; 'Calvin & Hobbes'
=========================================================================


> AND before you retort with the obvious: great writers/artists can make
> EXCELLENT activists and politicians.

They certainly can.  But here's a famous parallel you might want to 
consider:

Just because they laugh at genius, it doesn't mean that everyone they 
laugh at is a genius.

In other words, just because you're emotional, and proud of it, it 
doesn't make you a great artist, a great writer, a great activist or a 
great politician.


> And in so doing, knock yourself down instead, for the fool you are.
> You CAN'T knock me off a pedestal...I stand on solid ground in my
> claims.

I don't claim to be able to succeed - I only say that I'll spare them 
nothing.

 
>>But there's a difference between being a bad speller and 
>>attempting to blame it on your keyboard.
> 
> Depends on the context. Many good spellers come up with more typos on
> keyboards, because the tendency to type faster than on typewriters
> creates more errors.

So correct the errors before you press 'send'.  You can do that nowadays.


> You certainly have seen fit to FOCUS on my scant typos as a RATIONAL
> for further defamation!

Would that be a 'rationale', by any chance?  And I believe, according to 
your previous statements, that spoken emphasis would have been on the 
word 'FOCUS' there?


> Now you're backing off because I've exposed
> your strategy for the skulduggery it is! Getting desperate, are we?

Not really.  As I said, I'm quite capable of picking up your presentation 
errors, your attitude AND the fundamental faults in your arguments.  It's 
not a one-thing-or-another deal.


> No the REAL issue is all the various MANEUVERS you make in attempts to
> trivialize my posts as a gay activist. It sticks out like a sore thumb
> at this point!

You trivialise your own posts.  You don't need any help from me to do 
that.

 
> 2. Nope. I already TOLD you: what typos I make are a consequence of
> exhaustion after hours of typing BEFORE I begin my usenet posting.

If you're exhausted from hours of typing before you begin posting on 
Usenet, why on Earth do you post on Usenet?  And don't tell me it's so 
that you can fight the noble fight against the forces of anti-gay evil - 
because I rather suspect it's so that you can *avoid* doing that.  If you 
really wanted to make a difference there, you'd be out doing it in the 
real world.

So why subject yourself?

My money's on the aforementioned masochism.

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Newsgroups: alt.religion.wicca,alt.religion.druid,alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 16:48:10 -0700

"Midwinter"  wrote:
> chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :
>
>
> >>The fact is that people are now simply playing games with
> >>you, because you're so prone to go off like a rocket at everything
> >>anybody says to you.
> >
> > Nonsense.
>
> The record stands.  And didn't you say you were copying all this onto
> your website?  Any tweaking or editing going on before you post it?
>

As shown by his selective 'editing' in this thread, no doubt such
'revisions' as make zeke look better than he does here will be copied onto
his website.  That's pretty much a given, considering his previous posts.

>
> >>Your anger and abusiveness have made you into a
> >>comedy turn here,
> >
> > Nonsense. I am neither angry nor abusive.
>
> Sorry, I think something short-circuited somewhere.  Haven't you just
> spent pages telling me how proud you are to be angry for such a righteous
> cause?  And as for abusive, you fire off epithets like a Minigun.

Indeed.

>
> So either you're massively, hugely deluded; or you're just a straight-
> out, bare-faced liar.  And I don't use that latter accusation lightly,
> let me assure you.  So which is it?
>

No reason he can't be both, as he's shown himself to be.  Plenty of those in
Usenet, true.




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Newsgroups: alt.religion.wicca,alt.religion.druid,alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 08:31:07 GMT

On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 07:11:18 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>The fact is that people are now simply playing games with 
>you, because you're so prone to go off like a rocket at everything 
>anybody says to you.

"The fact"? Ha! So the six posters who've been NICE to me, and
appriciate my contributions don't count?

>Your anger and abusiveness have made you into a 
>comedy turn here, 

The ONLY posters who regard me as comedy relief, are whacked out
breeders, whose homophobia can't be concealed.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: root 
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:54:45 -0800 (PST)

On Jan 30, 5:50 am, chief_thracia...@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:44:09 -0800 (PST), root
>
>  wrote:
> >So it seems, well good for you for having strong opinions.
>
> Strong AND accurate.

In your opinion.

>
> >A word of caution though, you will attract the attention of the
> >typical anti-gay thugs,
>
> No problem. One of my vital missions is to bring the vermin out of the
> woodwork. You need not caution me, "friend".

Have you seen all the 'vermin' yet?
Do you know how many they are, what their capabilities are, do you
understand what they may do to you?
I can only imagine.

>
> > perhaps that goes part way to explain your
> >attitude, and the downward spiral you seem to have chosen as a life
> >path.
>
> How dare you categorize me in such a negative manner! You are NOT god!
> As you judge, likewise shall you BE judged!

Categorisation and judgement are not the same thing. Besides, I was
only expressing my opinion based on my perception of your posts.

>
> >Not being gay that is, rather, choosing to be ant-straight.
>
> DEFINITELY an important position to take, in a violently HETEROCENTRIC
> world.

Well, your unnecessary usage of capital letters is quite telling of
your mental state, my opinion is that you seem to have enough problems
to deal with, so I shall leave you alone.

golwg

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:03:32 GMT

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:54:45 -0800 (PST), root
 wrote:

>Well, your unnecessary usage of capital letters is quite telling of
>your mental state, 

Yeah, right! I have a very MODERN style of writing...I include
EMPHASIS of certain words, if that's how it sounds should we SPEAK it.
I'd use LESS uppercase, if ITALICS were possible in text-based
newsgroups. On my blog, you'll see I use BOTH uppercase AND italics.

>my opinion is that you seem to have enough problems
>to deal with, so I shall leave you alone.

Is THAT the best you can do to insult me? Lazy wimp!



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 04:16:45 -0600

chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :

>>Well, your unnecessary usage of capital letters is quite telling of
>>your mental state, 
> 
> Yeah, right! I have a very MODERN style of writing...I include
> EMPHASIS of certain words, if that's how it sounds should we SPEAK it.

That's how you'd speak a sentence?  You'd put weird emphasis wherever 
you've capitalised a word?  Wow.  I'll bear that in mind while I read your 
posts, and try in my mind to 'hear' someone talking that oddly.


> I'd use LESS uppercase, if ITALICS were possible in text-based
> newsgroups. On my blog, you'll see I use BOTH uppercase AND italics.

Just... wow.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:18:07 -0700

"Midwinter"  wrote:
> (Chief Thracian) said :
>
> >>Well, your unnecessary usage of capital letters is quite telling of
> >>your mental state,
> >
> > Yeah, right! I have a very MODERN style of writing...I include
> > EMPHASIS of certain words, if that's how it sounds should we SPEAK it.
>
> That's how you'd speak a sentence?  You'd put weird emphasis wherever
> you've capitalised a word?  Wow.  I'll bear that in mind while I read your
> posts, and try in my mind to 'hear' someone talking that oddly.
>

  What, he's William Shatner now?

>
> > I'd use LESS uppercase, if ITALICS were possible in text-based
> > newsgroups. On my blog, you'll see I use BOTH uppercase AND italics.
>
> Just... wow.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: root 
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 21:59:03 +0000

Midwinter wrote:
> chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :
> 
>>> Well, your unnecessary usage of capital letters is quite telling of
>>> your mental state, 
>> Yeah, right! I have a very MODERN style of writing...I include
>> EMPHASIS of certain words, if that's how it sounds should we SPEAK it.
> 
> That's how you'd speak a sentence?  You'd put weird emphasis wherever 
> you've capitalised a word?  Wow.  I'll bear that in mind while I read your 
> posts, and try in my mind to 'hear' someone talking that oddly.
> 
> 
>> I'd use LESS uppercase, if ITALICS were possible in text-based
>> newsgroups. On my blog, you'll see I use BOTH uppercase AND italics.
> 
> Just... wow.

My impression thus far is that this Chief Thracian is a depressive.

golwg

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:17:51 GMT

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 21:59:03 +0000, root 
wrote:

>My impression thus far is that this Chief Thracian is a depressive.

I'm an EXTREMELY positive person. MOST of my writings are humorous,
inspiring and healing. Of course, an important aspect of my activism
is to blow the whistle on skulduggery, and challenge bigoted ideas
wherever they arise.

If you see such RESPONSIBLE and COURAGEOUS activism as "depressive," I
can only conclude you are a wilfull saboteur.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:15:21 GMT

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 04:16:45 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>That's how you'd speak a sentence?  You'd put weird emphasis wherever 
>you've capitalised a word?  Wow.  I'll bear that in mind while I read your 
>posts, and try in my mind to 'hear' someone talking that oddly.

It is an effective GIMMICK to grab readers' attention in these
high-paced, short-attention-span times. Like Mad Magazine uses, or
comic books. It has more APPEAL to the average person, as opposed to a
sea of type that comes off as educationally superior.

PLUS, people really DO speak that way: stressing certain words over
others. I see NOTHING wrong in using that same emphasis in my writing.
It's a contemporary style that DOES have the effect of readers
recalling better, the author's words.

The same reason I include illustrations in my pieces...for they help
the reader REMEMBER more of what I've written.

>Just... wow.

Again, exaggerated response to demean my intelligent statements. Give
it up, baboon!


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:34:34 -0600

chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :

> It is an effective GIMMICK to grab readers' attention in these
> high-paced, short-attention-span times.

No, it's an effective gimmick to make readers wonder if you're slightly 
unhinged.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Seamus 
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:21:25 -0800 (PST)

On Feb 1, 7:34 am, Midwinter  wrote:
> chief_thracia...@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :
>
> > It is an effective GIMMICK to grab readers' attention in these
> > high-paced, short-attention-span times.
>
> No, it's an effective gimmick to make readers wonder if you're slightly
> unhinged.

"Slightly"?

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 06:04:05 GMT

On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:21:25 -0800 (PST), Seamus
 wrote:

>> No, it's an effective gimmick to make readers wonder if you're slightly
>> unhinged.
>
>"Slightly"?

Monkey see, monkey do!


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Seamus 
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 12:01:11 -0800 (PST)

On Feb 2, at 1:04 am, chief_thracia...@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
declared martial law under the Simian Jyhad:

> Monkey see, monkey do!

OOK OOK, MOTHERFUCKER!

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:43:05 GMT

On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 12:01:11 -0800 (PST), Seamus
 wrote:

>OOK OOK, MOTHERFUCKER!

That's how breeders breed! Incestuous greed!


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 01:52:08 -0700

"Seamus"  wrote:
> Midwinter  wrote:
> > chief_thracia...@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :
> >
> > > It is an effective GIMMICK to grab readers' attention in these
> > > high-paced, short-attention-span times.
> >
> > No, it's an effective gimmick to make readers wonder if you're slightly
> > unhinged.
>
> "Slightly"?

Enough to engage carnivore/eschelon with "conspiracy, infiltration,
terrorism, subversives, propaganda, virus" keywords.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 06:03:51 GMT

On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:34:34 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>No, it's an effective gimmick to make readers wonder if you're slightly 
>unhinged.

Demonizing again, are we?



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: 
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:17:39 -0600


"Chief Thracian"  wrote in message 
news:47a1800a.22298170@amsterdam.newsgroups-download.com...
> On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:54:45 -0800 (PST), root
>  wrote:
>
>>Well, your unnecessary usage of capital letters is quite telling of
>>your mental state,
>
> Yeah, right! I have a very MODERN style of writing...I include
> EMPHASIS of certain words, if that's how it sounds should we SPEAK it.
> I'd use LESS uppercase, if ITALICS were possible in text-based
> newsgroups. On my blog, you'll see I use BOTH uppercase AND italics.

THIS style of writing was characteristic of THE LATE EIGHTEEN-HUNDREDS/  and 
NOT of literate MODERN writers.
>
>>my opinion is that you seem to have enough problems
>>to deal with, so I shall leave you alone.
>
> Is THAT the best you can do to insult me? Lazy wimp!
>
>
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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 02:34:46 GMT

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:17:39 -0600, 
wrote:

>THIS style of writing was characteristic of THE LATE EIGHTEEN-HUNDREDS/  and 
>NOT of literate MODERN writers.

Sure it was. You'll say anything.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: root 
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 21:51:18 +0000

Chief Thracian wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:54:45 -0800 (PST), root
>  wrote:
> 
>> Well, your unnecessary usage of capital letters is quite telling of
>> your mental state, 
> 
> Yeah, right! I have a very MODERN style of writing...I include
> EMPHASIS of certain words, if that's how it sounds should we SPEAK it.
> I'd use LESS uppercase, if ITALICS were possible in text-based
> newsgroups. On my blog, you'll see I use BOTH uppercase AND italics.
> 
>> my opinion is that you seem to have enough problems
>> to deal with, so I shall leave you alone.
> 
> Is THAT the best you can do to insult me? Lazy wimp! 
> 
> 
> 

You seem to focus on the negative.

golwg

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 02:54:32 GMT

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 21:51:18 +0000, root 
wrote:

>You seem to focus on the negative.

Duh. What civil rights activist DOESN'T? After all, that's the POINT.
To challenge negative mindsets/actions/manipulation.

If it weren't so, the world would be CONSIDERABLY worse off.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:45:17 GMT

On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 16:04:56 +0000, root 
wrote:

>Not really, I'm just spouting stereotypical rubbish to see how easy it 
>is to get a rise out of you.

Did you ever stop to consider that *I* might be using a similar
strategy, from a queer perspective? Of course, breeders are such
dimwits, you have to knock them over the head, before they even "get
it".


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Seamus 
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 10:49:50 -0800 (PST)

On Jan 26, 1:45 pm, chief_thracia...@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 16:04:56 +0000, root 
> wrote:
>
> >Not really, I'm just spouting stereotypical rubbish to see how easy it
> >is to get a rise out of you.
>
> Did you ever stop to consider that *I* might be using a similar
> strategy, from a queer perspective? Of course, breeders are such
> dimwits, you have to knock them over the head, before they even "get
> it".

You don't have a strategy. You've only got blind rage.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 19:33:25 GMT

On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 10:49:50 -0800 (PST), Seamus
 wrote:

>You don't have a strategy. You've only got blind rage.

Sure I do. What brilliant writing blind rage comes up with, eh?

I SCREAM FOR ICE CREAM (IN MY JEANS)

(c) 1998 by Ezekiel J. Krahlin

Randolph, thou art my Sundae Special!
Drive up in a truck 'cause it
rhymes with fuck; drop your change
belt and shove that pink, hard
treat where it tastes most sweet!
Then let me, Daddy, Daddy, let me
do you any way I please!  Let me
tear off your shirt, and rest my
head on your manly chest as I
reach through your fly to find
something big to suck on! And let
me slide those spotless white
pants over your muscular legs,
which you raise in the air to help
me out! Please, Daddy, please let
me do even more!  Let me make your
big nest slippery with my saliva
(your buoyant eggs shall ride the
waves of ecstasy!), let me taste
the sweetness of your crown (and
the first dew that drops on my
lips!), let me pierce your tight
sphincter with the dart of my
slippery tongue, and let me raise
your legs so I can pierce even
deeper, my hot breath smothering
your fiery balls, your cock so
stiff it feels like it's going to
burst from your skin!  What bursts
instead is a fountain of ice
cream...
for we are in Candyland!



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: root 
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:40:10 -0800 (PST)

On Jan 26, 6:45 pm, chief_thracia...@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 16:04:56 +0000, root 
> wrote:
>
> >Not really, I'm just spouting stereotypical rubbish to see how easy it
> >is to get a rise out of you.
>
> Did you ever stop to consider that *I* might be using a similar
> strategy, from a queer perspective?

No.

>Of course, breeders are such
> dimwits, you have to knock them over the head, before they even "get
> it".

Do you mean get it up the arse?

golwg

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:51:03 GMT

On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:40:10 -0800 (PST), root
 wrote:

>Do you mean get it up the arse?

You wish. Get your mind out of the gutter.

Wait, I forgot: you're a BREEDER, you were BORN in the gutter!


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: root 
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 21:49:32 +0000

Chief Thracian wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:40:10 -0800 (PST), root
>  wrote:
> 
>> Do you mean get it up the arse?
> 
> You wish. Get your mind out of the gutter.
> 
> Wait, I forgot: you're a BREEDER, you were BORN in the gutter!
> 
> 
Tell us Chief,

What exactly is it you want from life?

golwg

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 02:56:18 GMT

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 21:49:32 +0000, root 
wrote:

>What exactly is it you want from life?

Precisely what I'm getting: recognition as an accomplished activist
and author, and liberation for my gay brothers and sisters. It has
onlu just begun, as of several months ago.

You are clueless, because of whatever WRONGS you've done in your life
thus far.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Seamus 
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:13:42 -0800 (PST)

On Jan 31, 9:56=A0pm, chief_thracia...@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
wrote:
> Precisely what I'm getting: recognition as an accomplished activist
> and author, and liberation for my gay brothers and sisters. It has
> onlu just begun, as of several months ago.

You're no different from other ITGs.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:12:10 GMT

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:13:42 -0800 (PST), Seamus
 wrote:

>You're no different from other ITGs.

Obviously, you don't know what you are talking about. No surprise
here.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Seamus 
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:14:33 -0800 (PST)

On Feb 1, 1:12 am, chief_thracia...@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
wrote:
> Obviously, you don't know what you are talking about. No surprise
> here.

See, I used an acronym, and you don't know what it means. Conversely,
you try to turn that ignorance around and claim that I'M the idiot.

Yeah, I'm actually precisely certain I know what I'm talking about.

You love to label everyone around you and pat yourself on the back for
being so clever, when in actuality you're one of the funniest Usenet
trolls I've dealt with.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 00:05:12 -0700

"Seamus"  wrote:
> (Chief Thracian) wrote:

> > Obviously, you don't know what you are talking about. No surprise
> > here.
>
> See, I used an acronym, and you don't know what it means. Conversely,
> you try to turn that ignorance around and claim that I'M the idiot.
>
> Yeah, I'm actually precisely certain I know what I'm talking about.
>
> You love to label everyone around you and pat yourself on the back for
> being so clever, when in actuality you're one of the funniest Usenet
> trolls I've dealt with.

Damn memory must be off if they used be smarter than this one though.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Seamus 
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 07:15:38 +0000 (UTC)

"sarchasm"  wrote in news:
>> You love to label everyone around you and pat yourself on the back for
>> being so clever, when in actuality you're one of the funniest Usenet
>> trolls I've dealt with.
> 
> Damn memory must be off if they used be smarter than this one though.

Well, there wetre a few who could at least put up a decent fight! This 
one's been bitchbeat enough that he's not even aware of his surroundings.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 00:47:07 -0700

"Seamus"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
> re: zeke-thechiefest-thracian-in-his-own-delusions-of-grandeur:

> >> You love to label everyone around you and pat yourself on the back for
> >> being so clever, when in actuality you're one of the funniest Usenet
> >> trolls I've dealt with.
> >
> > Damn memory must be off if they used be smarter than this one though.
>
> Well, there wetre a few who could at least put up a decent fight!

Seamus, gotta call ya on your typo ... not being sure of what a "wetre"
might alternatively be, gonna go with 'were', okay?

> This
> one's been bitchbeat enough that he's not even aware of his surroundings.

You'd almost think that someone beat us to slapping zeke stupid.

>
> _
> "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn."
> "How many times have we told you: no summoning Great Old Ones to
> Usenet. It hogs too much bandwidth."



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Seamus 
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 07:56:31 +0000 (UTC)

"sarchasm"  wrote:
 
> Seamus, gotta call ya on your typo ... not being sure of what a
> "wetre" might alternatively be, gonna go with 'were', okay?

Ah! My mistake. Yes, I must have fat-fingered the 'r' key. Your default 
preference works - though I was actually going for a cryptic word from the 
language of Carcosa, which basically means, 'a past-tense'. ;)
 
>> This
>> one's been bitchbeat enough that he's not even aware of his
>> surroundings. 
> 
> You'd almost think that someone beat us to slapping zeke stupid.
 
It certainly seems that way.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 01:02:13 -0700

"Seamus"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> > Seamus, gotta call ya on your typo ... not being sure of what a
> > "wetre" might alternatively be, gonna go with 'were', okay?
>
> Ah! My mistake. Yes, I must have fat-fingered the 'r' key. Your default
> preference works - though I was actually going for a cryptic word from the
> language of Carcosa, which basically means, 'a past-tense'. ;)

Good, then you weren't trying to say that trolls of olde were 'wetter'.
Whew.

>
> >> This
> >> one's been bitchbeat enough that he's not even aware of his
> >> surroundings.
> >
> > You'd almost think that someone beat us to slapping zeke stupid.
>
> It certainly seems that way.
>

Okay, it must be asked; is being 'stupid' what he meant by his disability?



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Seamus 
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 08:40:58 +0000 (UTC)

"sarchasm"  replied:

>> Ah! My mistake. Yes, I must have fat-fingered the 'r' key. Your
>> default preference works - though I was actually going for a cryptic
>> word from the language of Carcosa, which basically means, 'a
>> past-tense'. ;) 
> 
> Good, then you weren't trying to say that trolls of olde were
> 'wetter'. Whew.

Judging by the reek from some of them...
 
> Okay, it must be asked; is being 'stupid' what he meant by his
> disability? 

It must be, as it is obvious that the only emotion he knows is rage. The 
man's spleen (symbolically speaking) must be at least the size of a pomello 
by now, and I don't see signs of it receding. 
_
"The more I learn about these heteros, the more I come to understand what 
drives them, the more I hate them. I hate them for what they are and for 
what they may one day become. I hate them not because they hate us but 
because they are incapable of goood, honest, human hatred."
- butchered quote about Tyranids, from the WH40K hardcover rulebook

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 01:53:51 -0700

"Seamus"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  replied:
>
> >> Ah! My mistake. Yes, I must have fat-fingered the 'r' key. Your
> >> default preference works - though I was actually going for a cryptic
> >> word from the language of Carcosa, which basically means, 'a
> >> past-tense'. ;)
> >
> > Good, then you weren't trying to say that trolls of olde were
> > 'wetter'. Whew.
>
> Judging by the reek from some of them...

Och, as in damp and moldy oldie trolls?

>
> > Okay, it must be asked; is being 'stupid' what he meant by his
> > disability?
>
> It must be, as it is obvious that the only emotion he knows is rage. The
> man's spleen (symbolically speaking) must be at least the size of a
pomello
> by now, and I don't see signs of it receding.

It is the usual pattern of the young to falsely believe that they are
invicible and impervious to bodily-failures.  It then comes as an indignant
surprise when their own bodies 'betray' them, and that can result in a
lashing-out at others sometimes.

> _
> "The more I learn about these heteros, the more I come to understand what
> drives them, the more I hate them. I hate them for what they are and for
> what they may one day become. I hate them not because they hate us but
> because they are incapable of goood, honest, human hatred."
> - butchered quote about Tyranids, from the WH40K hardcover rulebook

What's does a WH40K rulebook contain rules about?



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 07:12:58 GMT

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:14:33 -0800 (PST), Seamus
 wrote:

>See, I used an acronym, and you don't know what it means. Conversely,
>you try to turn that ignorance around and claim that I'M the idiot.

DYTIU


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:07:50 -0600

Seamus  said :

> in actuality you're one of the funniest Usenet
> trolls I've dealt with.

Seamus, please.  With the greatest respect, don't let's excuse him by 
assuming him to be a troll.  A troll does what s/he does *knowing* what 
s/he's doing.  I think 'Chief' here genuinely buys into his self-image as a 
'hero'.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Seamus 
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:18:36 -0800 (PST)

On Feb 1, 7:07 am, Midwinter  wrote:
> Seamus, please.  With the greatest respect, don't let's excuse him by
> assuming him to be a troll.  A troll does what s/he does *knowing* what
> s/he's doing.  I think 'Chief' here genuinely buys into his self-image as a
> 'hero'.

A delusional troll is still a troll.

And I quote:

"A Warhammer troll is a creature which is subject to stupidity and
attacks by spewing forth its vomit. A Usenet troll is identical in
both respects."
- rec.games.miniatures.warhammer Outtakes

By this definition, he's a troll.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "Noon-Air" 
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:56:36 -0600


"Seamus"  wrote in message 
news:0f4c1031-2666-463d-a2a0-ede38a4f154b@q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 1, 7:07 am, Midwinter  wrote:
>> Seamus, please.  With the greatest respect, don't let's excuse him by
>> assuming him to be a troll.  A troll does what s/he does *knowing* what
>> s/he's doing.  I think 'Chief' here genuinely buys into his self-image as 
>> a
>> 'hero'.
>
> A delusional troll is still a troll.
>
> And I quote:
>
> "A Warhammer troll is a creature which is subject to stupidity and
> attacks by spewing forth its vomit. A Usenet troll is identical in
> both respects."
> - rec.games.miniatures.warhammer Outtakes
>
> By this definition, he's a troll.

Thats why the GODS invented the killfile 



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Pisano 
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:01:22 -0500

On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:56:36 -0600, "Noon-Air" 
wrote:

>
>"Seamus"  wrote in message 
>news:0f4c1031-2666-463d-a2a0-ede38a4f154b@q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> On Feb 1, 7:07 am, Midwinter  wrote:
>>> Seamus, please.  With the greatest respect, don't let's excuse him by
>>> assuming him to be a troll.  A troll does what s/he does *knowing* what
>>> s/he's doing.  I think 'Chief' here genuinely buys into his self-image as 
>>> a
>>> 'hero'.
>>
>> A delusional troll is still a troll.
>>
>> And I quote:
>>
>> "A Warhammer troll is a creature which is subject to stupidity and
>> attacks by spewing forth its vomit. A Usenet troll is identical in
>> both respects."
>> - rec.games.miniatures.warhammer Outtakes
>>
>> By this definition, he's a troll.
>
>Thats why the GODS invented the killfile 
>


	When someone is put in God's killfile . . . 

	Mmmm . . .

	Does it make a . . .

	Sound?

	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibqwKb4cCsg
 

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 06:07:41 GMT

On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:56:36 -0600, "Noon-Air" 
wrote:

>Thats why the GODS invented the killfile 

Ah, but if you put me in your killfile, you won't have an excuse to
flood my gay-themed thread with trivia and obfuscation, in order to
denigrate my contributions.

And YOU don't wanna do that, do you? 'Cause then I wouldn't receive
any more of your insults. None of you breeder trolls have the MATURITY
to do that!

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 04:11:05 -0600

chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :

> Ah, but if you put me in your killfile, you won't have an excuse to
> flood my gay-themed thread with trivia and obfuscation, in order to
> denigrate my contributions.

Noon-Air has the choice, as we all have the choice, whether to waste any 
more time trying to argue logically against someone like yourself, who 
couldn't glimpse logic with the Hubble Space Telescope.  Inasmuch as 
Usenet will always contain hatemongers like yourself, one might conclude 
that killfiling you and ignoring your ranting is probably the most 
sensible thing to do.

You made it abundantly clear in your first few posts that you're not here 
for discussion: you want a fight, and you don't care who you fight with, 
as long as you get to indulge your prejudices.

So Noon-Air has done the sensible thing.  I only continue in 
'discussion' with you because, well, I suppose I would have to 
acknowledge an element of masochism on Usenet as in real life (no 
bindings, though, thanks - not my thing).  I'd guess the same applies to 
you: doesn't being persecuted make you feel *good*?  And if it's not 
happening, you go out looking for it, don't you?

As for sarchasm, well, I wouldn't want to try to judge anyone else's 
motivations for continuing to talk to you; they're not all as 
fundamentally strange as you and I, after all.  But as I've said before, 
you should probably bear in mind that your frothing and raving is far 
more likely to amuse people than it is to put them in awe of you.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "Noon-Air" 
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 07:08:34 -0600


"Midwinter"  wrote in message 
news:uZWdnX2DZPgk3DnaRVnyiQA@bt.com...
> chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :
>
>> Ah, but if you put me in your killfile, you won't have an excuse to
>> flood my gay-themed thread with trivia and obfuscation, in order to
>> denigrate my contributions.
>
> Noon-Air has the choice, as we all have the choice, whether to waste any
> more time trying to argue logically against someone like yourself, who
> couldn't glimpse logic with the Hubble Space Telescope.  Inasmuch as
> Usenet will always contain hatemongers like yourself, one might conclude
> that killfiling you and ignoring your ranting is probably the most
> sensible thing to do.
>
> You made it abundantly clear in your first few posts that you're not here
> for discussion: you want a fight, and you don't care who you fight with,
> as long as you get to indulge your prejudices.
>
> So Noon-Air has done the sensible thing.  I only continue in
> 'discussion' with you because, well, I suppose I would have to
> acknowledge an element of masochism on Usenet as in real life (no
> bindings, though, thanks - not my thing).  I'd guess the same applies to
> you: doesn't being persecuted make you feel *good*?  And if it's not
> happening, you go out looking for it, don't you?
>
> As for sarchasm, well, I wouldn't want to try to judge anyone else's
> motivations for continuing to talk to you; they're not all as
> fundamentally strange as you and I, after all.  But as I've said before,
> you should probably bear in mind that your frothing and raving is far
> more likely to amuse people than it is to put them in awe of you.

If you ignore him, he will eventually go away



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 07:12:52 -0600

"Noon-Air"  said :

> If you ignore him, he will eventually go away

Possibly.  In this case you're probably right: he is obviously thriving on 
the replies he's getting.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 22:44:05 GMT

On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 07:12:52 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>Possibly.  In this case you're probably right: he is obviously thriving on 
>the replies he's getting.

Yes, I wanna see how LONG I can make this thread. I want to be in
Guinness for longest Usenet thread EVER.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 16:56:13 -0700

"Midwinter"  wrote:
> "Noon-Air"  said:
>
> > If you ignore him, he will eventually go away
>
> Possibly.

Probably not, having nothing better to do.

>  In this case you're probably right: he is obviously thriving on
> the replies he's getting.

Of course he is; anyone wishing to participate in calling bullshit, bullsit
can.  Anyone who choses not to, can.





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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:43:06 GMT

On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 16:56:13 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>Probably not, having nothing better to do.

Ha ha. You just struck out AGAIN. My two BOOKS (under "Steal This
Blog", see sig.) both works in progress, are proof I am prolific in my
writing and activism. You only WISH you had such skills.

I ALSO continue my activism on the streets, doing my best to stifle
homophobia and inspire my homeless gay buddies.

>Of course he is; anyone wishing to participate in calling bullshit, bullsit
>can.  Anyone who choses not to, can.

Yadda yadda yadda. Why do you even badda?
You keep making me look like a hero
(which I am), and you: 
the zero.

You're on my side, aintcha?

'Cause no one, especially a breeder 'phobe ENEMY could come off so
stupid as to make me shine like the blazing SUN itself by contrast.

I owe you one, sarchasm! You've done a GREAT job of showing up these
breeder babboons for the ignorant and truly VIOLENT scum they are.
Where's your favorite place to go out for dinner? My treat.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 22:42:58 GMT

On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 07:08:34 -0600, "Noon-Air" 
wrote:

>If you ignore him, he will eventually go away

Yes! I'll go away. Promise. DO IT. Ignore me! Please please please
please please please please please please please please please please
please please please please please please please please please please
please please please please please please please please please please
please please please please please please please please please please
please please!

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 22:41:59 GMT

On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 04:11:05 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>Noon-Air has the choice, as we all have the choice, whether to waste any 
>more time trying to argue logically 

You haven't BEGUN to be logical.

>Inasmuch as 
>Usenet will always contain hatemongers like yourself, 

NOT "hatemonger". Try "liberator par excellence".

>one might conclude 
>that killfiling you and ignoring your ranting is probably the most 
>sensible thing to do.

Killfiling me will get certain homophobic monkeys off my back, and
will reduce the number of troll comments spewed.

>You made it abundantly clear in your first few posts that you're not here 
>for discussion: you want a fight, and you don't care who you fight with, 
>as long as you get to indulge your prejudices.

Not at all. I didn't come for discussion, true enough. I came to
inform people on a gay issue relevant to pagans/shamans. Then you and
your ilk jumped all over me, as if the SF Chronicle's article were the
most accurate and fair piece of journalism ever writ. So the fight was
instigated NOT by me, but by others. And the ONLY reason would be due
to their homophobia. Just being logical here.

>So Noon-Air has done the sensible thing.  

Something which you seem incapable of doing.

>I'd guess the same applies to 
>you: doesn't being persecuted make you feel *good*?  

No. Certainly not. What makes me feel "good" is that I can speak OUT
and have a gift of writing in doing so effectively. I feel good
because I have the TIME to be an activist, and the mind to communicate
my ideas.

>And if it's not 
>happening, you go out looking for it, don't you?

Not at all. Homophobia is quite prevalent in our country. It tends to
STALK outspoken activists like myself, both online and offline. This
is the socially sanctioned TERRORISM gays live with each and every
day, from the day they're born till the day they're buried.

>But as I've said before, 
>you should probably bear in mind that your frothing and raving is far 
>more likely to amuse people than it is to put them in awe of you.

That's a lie. You SAY "frothing and raving" as a tactic to demonize my
statements. Being outraged and fed up is part of being an activist.
That fact the you et al use dergatory adjectives and manipulative
responses, is proof enough of anti-gay machination.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 12:52:39 -0600

chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :

>>Noon-Air has the choice, as we all have the choice, whether to waste
>>any more time trying to argue logically 
> 
> You haven't BEGUN to be logical.

Strange, then, that you've had to rely on whining and abuse to counter 
what I've been saying.  One would think you'd simply cut me down with 
devastating logic.

 
> NOT "hatemonger". Try "liberator par excellence".

I might try that - but not until the day you start living up to it.  So 
far, all I've seen from you here is hatemongering - your claims to 
brilliance in the real world notwithstanding.

 
> Killfiling me will get certain homophobic monkeys off my back, and
> will reduce the number of troll comments spewed.

A fairly weak attempt at reverse psychology there.  I'll killfile you 
when I'm ready to do so - what you make of it isn't any concern of mine.

 
> Not at all. I didn't come for discussion, true enough. I came to
> inform people on a gay issue relevant to pagans/shamans.

No - you came here to look for 'breeders' and 'homophobes' to treat to 
your bile.


> your ilk jumped all over me, as if the SF Chronicle's article were the
> most accurate and fair piece of journalism ever writ.

Nope - I jumped on you initially because your conclusions were flawed; 
then because you went off on an impressive tantrum and have been 
improving on it with every post since.


> So the fight was instigated NOT by me, but by others.

Sorry, no: what you got at first was comment; questioning; maybe even 
challenge.  What you got after laying into everything around you like a 
stroppy kid was precisely what you invited.


> Something which you seem incapable of doing.

As I said, when I'm good and ready.

 
> No. Certainly not. What makes me feel "good" is that I can speak OUT
> and have a gift of writing in doing so effectively.

Pfft.  You have an imagination, I'll give you that.


> I feel good
> because I have the TIME to be an activist, and the mind to communicate
> my ideas.

... and in doing so, undermine the good work of those people who are 
*genuinely* working for gay rights.

 
>>And if it's not 
>>happening, you go out looking for it, don't you?
> 
> Not at all. Homophobia is quite prevalent in our country. It tends to
> STALK outspoken activists like myself, both online and offline.

So, as I've queried already, why the need for the confrontational badges 
and slogans?


> That's a lie. You SAY "frothing and raving" as a tactic to demonize my
> statements.

It is.  But, in fairness, it's redundant.  Your attitude demonizes you 
all by itself.


> Being outraged and fed up is part of being an activist.

'Fed up'?  Strange term.  'Fed up' implies resignation.  And as I said, a 
witch-hunter doesn't resign.  If he can't find a witch, he goes out and 
makes one.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 22:38:29 GMT

On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 12:52:39 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>Strange, then, that you've had to rely on whining and abuse to counter 
>what I've been saying.  One would think you'd simply cut me down with 
>devastating logic.

I've already done that. You're just blinding waving your arms around,
hoping not to hit the wall!

>I might try that - but not until the day you start living up to it.  So 
>far, all I've seen from you here is hatemongering - your claims to 
>brilliance in the real world notwithstanding.

You're AFRADI to read Steal This Blog (or my web site or web log),
'cause I'd prove you WRONG. You CAN'T compare an author's Usenet
participation with his more studied essays, tales, and poem's. That's
the mark of a brute.

>A fairly weak attempt at reverse psychology there.  I'll killfile you 
>when I'm ready to do so - what you make of it isn't any concern of mine.

Either way, I'll have FUN. The CONTRAST of your vulgar presence only
makes ME look like an archangel. Thanx!

>No - you came here to look for 'breeders' and 'homophobes' to treat to 
>your bile.

Nope. I came here to present some recent news re. anti-gay media and
medical bias. Which is IMPORTANT for our pagan community to be aware
of. Seeing as they're SUPPOSED to be stalwart allies of gays,
especially in these Xian-dogmatic times! 

Then, breeder thugs attacked. Just like in Xian newsgroups. (Though
not QUITE as intense.)

>Nope - I jumped on you initially because your conclusions were flawed; 
>then because you went off on an impressive tantrum and have been 
>improving on it with every post since.

Wrong. You TOTALLY kissed up to the SF Chroncle, and STILL do. With NO
evidence (or research on your part) to prove them accurate.

>As I said, when I'm good and ready.

You are neither.

>So, as I've queried already, why the need for the confrontational badges 
>and slogans?

Consciousness raising. Challenge unquestioned dogma. Duh.

>'Fed up'?  Strange term.  'Fed up' implies resignation.  

Not at all. Don't know where you got THAT definition from. Oh, yeah:
sophistry.

>And as I said, a witch-hunter doesn't resign.  If he can't find a witch, he 
>goes out and makes one.

And gays have been the everlasting scapegoat for any and ALL witch
hunts. I, however, will put an END to that, through my words, and
example.


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Newsgroups: alt.religion.wicca,alt.religion.druid,alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 16:52:52 -0700

"Midwinter"  wrote:
> chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :
>
> > Ah, but if you put me in your killfile, you won't have an excuse to
> > flood my gay-themed thread with trivia and obfuscation, in order to
> > denigrate my contributions.
>
> Noon-Air has the choice, as we all have the choice, whether to waste any
> more time trying to argue logically against someone like yourself, who
> couldn't glimpse logic with the Hubble Space Telescope.  Inasmuch as
> Usenet will always contain hatemongers like yourself, one might conclude
> that killfiling you and ignoring your ranting is probably the most
> sensible thing to do.
>
> You made it abundantly clear in your first few posts that you're not here
> for discussion: you want a fight, and you don't care who you fight with,
> as long as you get to indulge your prejudices.
>
> So Noon-Air has done the sensible thing.  I only continue in
> 'discussion' with you because, well, I suppose I would have to
> acknowledge an element of masochism on Usenet as in real life (no
> bindings, though, thanks - not my thing).  I'd guess the same applies to
> you: doesn't being persecuted make you feel *good*?  And if it's not
> happening, you go out looking for it, don't you?
>
> As for sarchasm, well, I wouldn't want to try to judge anyone else's
> motivations for continuing to talk to you; they're not all as
> fundamentally strange as you and I, after all.  But as I've said before,
> you should probably bear in mind that your frothing and raving is far
> more likely to amuse people than it is to put them in awe of you.

He's an unstable shill and you expressed my opposition more eloquently:

"Think about it (I know you won't): you've said yourself that you go out
on the street decorated with confrontational, borderline (if not
blatantly) anti-hetero slogans, essentially looking for trouble.  That's
certainly how you've approached Usenet: you came here looking for a
fight. So what good do you think you're doing the cause of gay rights?
You're increasing friction, you're increasing tension, you're probably
leading  heterosexuals to associate your anger and militancy with all gay
people; you are, in a very real sense, undermining the cause you claim to
be fighting for.  And before you protest or dismiss the statement, bear
in mind you've come into an environment - four environments - where there
was relatively little anti-gay prejudice to begin with; you've sought
conflict and confrontation; and you attribute any negative reaction to
anti-gay prejudice.  But it's not: it's just you.  It's your attitude,
it's your approach to people.  It's your prejudice, and your bigotry.  By
garnering objection to your claims and (importantly) the way you've made
them, you've been able to satisfy yourself that the hatred you expected
(wanted?) to find here was indeed here, and that in turn has justified in
your own mind your aggressive and intolerant attitude towards people
here."



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:43:07 GMT

On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 16:52:52 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>He's an unstable shill and you expressed my opposition more eloquently:

[ Incapable of making any intellignet remark of his own, sachasm
decides to simple re-post the writings of another. BRILLIANT...not! Of
course since sarchasm is working overtime to make breeders come off
like the IDIOTS they really are, I can't complain. ]

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Seamus 
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 11:47:41 -0800 (PST)

On Feb 2, 1:07=A0am, chief_thracia...@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
arrogantly boasted:
> And YOU don't wanna do that, do you? 'Cause then I wouldn't receive
> any more of your insults. None of you breeder trolls have the
> MATURITY to do that!

Ha!

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Seamus 
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 11:49:20 -0800 (PST)

On Feb 1, 3:56=A0pm, "Noon-Air"  wrote:
> Thats why the GODS invented the killfile- Hide quoted text -

See, you're making the mistake of thinking that I'm taking Zeke
seriously.

Me, I like to have fun with these self-loving arrogant fishbait.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:43:08 GMT

On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 11:49:20 -0800 (PST), Seamus
 wrote:

>Me, I like to have fun with these self-loving arrogant fishbait.

Fun? Is flapping your tail fin your idea of fun? You seem VERY low key
to me, barely on the radar. Hey, you can't even stir up a little mud!
You're what they call small fry.

Think I'll toss you back into the ocean.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Seamus 
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 22:11:40 -0800 (PST)

On Feb 4, 4:43 pm, chief_thracia...@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 11:49:20 -0800 (PST), Seamus
>
>  wrote:
> >Me, I like to have fun with these self-loving arrogant fishbait.
>
> Fun? Is flapping your tail fin your idea of fun? You seem VERY low key
> to me, barely on the radar. Hey, you can't even stir up a little mud!
> You're what they call small fry.

Please. You fail at Usenet.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 08:12:29 GMT

On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 22:11:40 -0800 (PST), Seamus
 wrote:

>Please. You fail at Usenet.

Wrong again, breeder faggot!


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Seamus 
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 10:47:05 -0800 (PST)

On Feb 5, 3:12 am, chief_thracia...@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 22:11:40 -0800 (PST), Seamus
>
>  wrote:
> >Please. You fail at Usenet.
>
> Wrong again, breeder faggot!

Hmm, this is at least the second time you've used that particular
riposte.

It is completely misplaced, oxymoronic and displays your utter lack of
intelligence here, too.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:50:20 GMT

On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 10:47:05 -0800 (PST), Seamus
 wrote:

>It is completely misplaced, oxymoronic and displays your utter lack of
>intelligence here, too.

Just reflecting.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:04:27 -0600

chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :

> Precisely what I'm getting: recognition as an accomplished activist
> and author, and liberation for my gay brothers and sisters.

You're getting recognition, but it isn't as an 'accomplished' activist.  
Truth is, you *embarrass* your gay brothers and sisters, and, as I said, 
you do the cause of gay rights no end of damage by taking the attitude you 
do.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 06:11:14 GMT

On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:04:27 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>You're getting recognition, but it isn't as an 'accomplished' activist.  
>Truth is, you *embarrass* your gay brothers and sisters, and, as I said, 
>you do the cause of gay rights no end of damage by taking the attitude you 
>do.

Nonsense. MANY of my ideas for political strategy to increase and
accelerate gay victories have been broadcast via the BBS networks in
the 90's and since then, via the Internet, including Usenet.

And they've been successfully utilized by other gay activists and
groups. I'd say I'm a major CONTRIBUTOR to all our positive
accomplishments for 20+ years.

Not the least of which is my flying to D.C. to stand by a gay
activist/Vietnam War Veteran, after he shot himself by The Wall, and
fortunately survived. You can READ my record as an activist by
visiting my website, gay-bible.org.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 01:53:58 -0700

"Midwinter"  wrote:
> chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :
>
> > Precisely what I'm getting: recognition as an accomplished activist
> > and author, and liberation for my gay brothers and sisters.
>
> You're getting recognition, but it isn't as an 'accomplished' activist.
> Truth is, you *embarrass* your gay brothers and sisters, and, as I said,
> you do the cause of gay rights no end of damage by taking the attitude you
> do.

He wants to be a paid shill someday; feeding off of government support in
the form of disability payments while advocating sedition at the same time.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 22:49:05 GMT

On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 01:53:58 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>He wants to be a paid shill someday; feeding off of government support in
>the form of disability payments while advocating sedition at the same time.

Not quite. For once paid for my talents, I'll DROP all stipends.
However, one of my goals IS to become a vital LEADER of gay rights and
recognized also for my writing, while STILL on disability. At least,
for a little while, just for the sheer BRILLIANCE of pulling off this
little plot. Let this statement stand for the record...as PROOF I know
my destiny. For if this goal just mentioned comes TRUE, it will be
hard EVIDENCE of proof of the power of my mind, and how I use it to
great EFFECT.

With this power, I also plan to create a CULT around myself...then
dismantle it. In so doing, I teach our gay community by example, how
cults form, and how to break them down. Our gov't is now very much
like a cult. As are the business and military sectors. And of course,
certain relgions factions.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 16:59:00 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote in message
news:47a4f243.17437813@amsterdam.newsgroups-download.com...
> On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 01:53:58 -0700,

> I also plan to create a CULT around myself...then
> dismantle it. In so doing, I teach our gay community by example, how
> cults form, and how to break them down. Our gov't is now very much
> like a cult. As are the business and military sectors. And of course,
> certain relgions factions.
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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 17:03:58 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> >He wants to be a paid shill someday; feeding off of government support in
> >the form of disability payments while advocating sedition at the same
time.
>
> Not quite. For once paid for my talents, I'll DROP all stipends.

So, you concede to being an aspiring author, leaving on the dole.

> However, one of my goals IS to become a vital LEADER of gay rights and
> recognized also for my writing, while STILL on disability. At least,
> for a little while, just for the sheer BRILLIANCE of pulling off this
> little plot.

Plot or defrauding the disability department?

> Let this statement stand for the record...as PROOF I know
> my destiny. For if this goal just mentioned comes TRUE, it will be
> hard EVIDENCE of proof of the power of my mind, and how I use it to
> great EFFECT.

And when it does not come true, the psych ward for you?

>
> With this power, I also plan to create a CULT around myself...then
> dismantle it. In so doing, I teach our gay community by example, how
> cults form, and how to break them down. Our gov't is now very much
> like a cult. As are the business and military sectors. And of course,
> certain relgions factions.
>

Jim Jones as a cultural icon for you?



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:43:09 GMT

On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 17:03:58 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>So, you concede to being an aspiring author, leaving on the dole.

Yes indeed. You choose to twist my situation into a dark, deceptive
tale! No surprise here.

>Plot or defrauding the disability department?

Ooooo, twist twist twist!

>And when it does not come true, the psych ward for you?

Don't YOU harbor evil wishes towards another!

Breeder breeder all the way.
Come again some other day.

>Jim Jones as a cultural icon for you?

Nope Carl Jung. I already STATED my intent of forming a cult and then
also DESTROYING it, is to teach by example to my gay brothers/sisters,
how to manipulate society OUR way, for a change.

Perpetration of homophobia by ANY society, nation or group is a CULT
strategy...'cause it foments hatred against an illusory enemy. By
SHOWING gays how a cult is formed, and then showing them how to
dissolve a cult...I give them the KEYS to dissolving homophobia, as
well as EMPOWERING ourselves as non-heteros.

YOU try doing something even a TENTH as smart, and then we'll talk.

First though, you MUST give up your hateful bias against gay
people...as well as (evidently) those living on disability who
nonetheless are in creative endeavors to better themselves and the
world.

Since gov't PERSISTS in persecuting gays, and ENCOURAGES society and
church to do likewises...why should ANY decent queer feel ANY qualms
about taking monies from the very system which uses OUR taxes to
further such persecution?

What YOU are saying in essence, is that gay people, especially
OUTSPOKEN ones like myself, should just roll over and die. 

'Cause that's our lot in life: to be the eternal scapegoat, the dog to
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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 23:35:38 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> >So, you concede to being an aspiring author, leaving [or living] on the
dole.
>
> Yes indeed. You choose to twist my situation into a dark, deceptive
> tale! No surprise here.

What's dark about you're living off the dole?  Deceptive, possibly - if
that's a nearly huilty-conscious of yours speaking.  Do you have one - a
conscious, (or consciousness, even)?

>
> >Plot or defrauding the disability department?
>
> Ooooo, twist twist twist!

You've gotten close to admitting that you defraud the government to collect
disability.  You are aware that they investigate 'suspicions' of fraud, are
you not?

>
> >And when it does not come true, the psych ward for you?
>
> Don't YOU harbor evil wishes towards another!
>

You apparently live in fear; do you fear to state what you collect
disability for, (in order to forestall assumptions)?



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 08:13:59 GMT

On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 23:35:38 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>You've gotten close to admitting that you defraud the government to collect
>disability.  You are aware that they investigate 'suspicions' of fraud, are
>you not?

Wrong again, breeder faggot!

They also pursue harassment of the disabled! Which include YOU.

>You apparently live in fear; do you fear to state what you collect
>disability for, (in order to forestall assumptions)?

Suck it up, breeder stalker!


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 11:18:17 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> >You've gotten close to admitting that you defraud the government to
collect
> >disability.  You are aware that they investigate 'suspicions' of fraud,
are
> >you not?
>
> Wrong again

> Yes indeed. You choose to twist my situation into a dark, deceptive
> tale! No surprise here.

What's dark about you're living off the dole?  Deceptive, possibly - if
that's a nearly guilty-conscious of yours speaking.  Do you have one - a
conscious, (or consciousness, even)?

>
> They also pursue harassment of the disabled! Which include YOU.

You're a troll, hiding behind an alleged disability.  Even a government
investigator could read that in the archives.

>
> >You apparently live in fear; do you fear to state what you collect
> >disability for, (in order to forestall assumptions)?
>
> Suck it up

Like you sponge off of the goverment?  No thanks, heading for work instead.
To pay taxes.  To waste on such defrauders of the system as yourself.






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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:50:21 GMT

On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 11:18:17 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>Like you sponge off of the goverment?  No thanks, heading for work instead.
>To pay taxes.  To waste on such defrauders of the system as yourself.

I put far more back into society than most working stiffs. I just
don't get a decent salary. Keep your bigoted ideas to yourself...you
have NO compassion.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 23:07:17 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> >Like you sponge off of the goverment?  No thanks, heading for work
instead.
> >To pay taxes.  To waste on such defrauders of the system as yourself.
>
> I put far more back into society than most working stiffs.

A claim as empty as your others.

>
> I just don't get a decent salary.

"For once paid for my talents, I'll DROP all stipends."

Liar.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 04:47:51 GMT

On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 23:07:17 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>> I put far more back into society than most working stiffs.
>
>A claim as empty as your others.

Actually, no. Much of my evidence as activist is on my web site, and
blog. As well as Usenet participation. Many of my tales come from
actual events and characters I meet, as a street activist. My writing
is dedicated to gay liberation...all of it inspiring.

More proof there that would take months if not years to view. Try my
section there, "The Somalian Affair" for starters.

But of course you won't bother...your puffed up head wouldn't want to
be proven brashly WRONG. 

>"For once paid for my talents, I'll DROP all stipends."
>
>Liar.

Wow, you sure have a nasty streak in you, don't you? I work very HARD
in order to eventually get off disability funds. My creative output is
copious and of excellent quality...and gives absolute proof to my
claims.

But there's no point in suggesting you show some reasonable sanity and
unbiased perspective. After all, you are what your are:

Homophobe.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 11:43:49 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> >> I put far more back into society than most working stiffs.
> >
> >A claim as empty as your others.
>
> Actually, no. Much of my evidence as activist is on my web site, and
> blog. As well as Usenet participation.

Your delusional rantings hold no societal or monetary worth - except to you,
so the claim is empty.

>
> >"For once paid for my talents, I'll DROP all stipends."
> >




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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 07:04:27 GMT

On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 11:43:49 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>Your delusional rantings hold no societal or monetary worth - except to you,
>so the claim is empty.

You're simply a ratty, nasty, vulgar hetero. No different from Xian
bigots...has nothing to do with me, really. You are breeder sludge
mucking up good folks' struggles for a better world. As well as
hopelessly INCAPABLE of determining those things that are truly
worthy, and those that are not (such as yourself).

So much for "progressive" paganism! 

I charge you with being a SABOTEUR on behalf of Xian fundamentalists,
infiltrating pagan and progressive groups.

Along with midwinter, seamus, et al.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 00:29:07 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> >Your delusional rantings hold no societal or monetary worth - except to
you,
> >so the claim is empty.
>
> You're simply a ratty, nasty, vulgar hetero. No different from Xian
> bigots...has nothing to do with me, really.

It was the content and form of your delusional rantings that was addressed
here, not specifically your orientation. You'd be a dumbass whether
straight, gay, bisexual or tricycle.

> As well as
> hopelessly INCAPABLE of determining those things that are truly
> worthy, and those that are not

In your case, the determination was easy.  In any case, you don't get to
decide how others see you; any more than others get to decide how you view
them, (however delusionally that may be).

>
> So much for "progressive" paganism!

Your strawman labels are uninteresting as bait.

>
> I charge you with being a SABOTEUR on behalf of Xian fundamentalists,
> infiltrating pagan and progressive groups.

Make as many baseless charges as you like.  They are invalid, not because
they come from you but, because they stem from no basis in reason.

>
> Along with midwinter, seamus, et al.
>

No doubt they're crushed, or laughing their asses off.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:18:34 GMT

On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 00:29:07 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>No doubt they're crushed, or laughing their asses off.

Still pooping out of your mouth, I see!


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Seamus 
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 10:50:09 -0800 (PST)

On Feb 5, 3:13 am, chief_thracia...@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
wrote:
> Suck it up, breeder stalker!

Ah, so you've decided to change it up a bit. This does not change the
fact that you're reduced to mewling, pitiful insults that an enraged
adolescent would use.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:50:22 GMT

On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 10:50:09 -0800 (PST), Seamus
 wrote:

>Ah, so you've decided to change it up a bit. This does not change the
>fact that you're reduced to mewling, pitiful insults that an enraged
>adolescent would use.

Just reflecting. (And AMUSED at how desperate you dufuses try to reply
with a snappy comeback, because I intentionally provided you with the
opportunity. But you always opt for "crappy" over "snappy". Loser!)


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Seamus 
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 22:23:27 -0800 (PST)

On Feb 5, 4:50 pm, chief_thracia...@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
wrote:
> Just reflecting. (And AMUSED at how desperate you dufuses try to reply
> with a snappy comeback, because I intentionally provided you with the
> opportunity. But you always opt for "crappy" over "snappy". Loser!)

And once again, you fail at Usenet.

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From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 04:48:34 GMT

On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 22:23:27 -0800 (PST), Seamus
 wrote:

>And once again, you fail at Usenet.

You're not the judge of me! Hurts, don't it?



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Seamus 
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 21:46:01 -0800 (PST)

On Feb 7, 11:48 pm, chief_thracia...@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 22:23:27 -0800 (PST), Seamus
>
>  wrote:
> >And once again, you fail at Usenet.
>
> You're not the judge of me! Hurts, don't it?

Sadly, you are the only one who hasn't come to this conclusion.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 07:08:11 GMT

On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 21:46:01 -0800 (PST), Seamus
 wrote:

>Sadly, you are the only one who hasn't come to this conclusion.

Not at all. More than half of the participants herein have supported
my viewponts. The remainder (breeder twits they be) have simply
FLOODED this thread with hateful and homophobic messages, in order to
sabotage and obfuscate my words, and those of my supporters.

If you weren't so DRIVEN to act macho, homophobic and vulgar ('cause
that's what you've been brainwashed to believe that's how a REAL man
behaves), then maybe you could see the truth as it really is.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:49:18 GMT

On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 04:08:10 -0800 (PST), odubhain@comcast.net wrote:

>I'd think that any group where immune system deficiencies are greater
>would also have a higher susceptibility to opportunistic infections.

Of course. But we now live in a society that is a Death Cult, and
profits need to increase via more illness and death. I don't care how
healthy you are, your life is in danger by the medical profession. And
gays are the target for biological experimentation. There is a whole
CONSPIRACY going on here. What you say is quite true, albeit just the
tip of the proverbial iceberg!

>Additionally populations that have a greater amount of interaction and
>skin contact would also tend to show higher incidences of infection
>(like schools and universities, all other things being equal).

But you can't tell me that homosexuals have a greater propensity for
skin contact than heteros. Else why the continued populatiry of
straight whorehouses, sex clubs and strip joints?

>Finally, hospitals are breeding grounds and exercise gymnasiums for
>such things.

Indeed! All it takes is for Amerikan Nazi scientists to culture
dangerous microbes and SPREAD them through the populace in the most
vulnerable locations, such as those you just listed. And SCAPEGOAT a
particular group that is ALREADY despised.

Let's see, who could that be? A queer query indeed.

>I suspect that we are surrounded by such things all the time but that
>a healthy immune system automatically defends against such things. 

WHO can have a healthy immune system in a most STRESSFUL world, where
we are INUNDATED by toxins from everywhere: the water, air, food,
noise, frightening news, war, etc.? You can only do SO MUCH to give
yourself the greatest advantage. But even if you're a
mult-billionaire, you're still breathing the same air and walking the
same planet.

>Of
>course, in this day and age of incomplete verification of genetically
>altered and altering drugs, foods, products and microorganisms, rapid
>change and mutation is occurring that potentially could turn
>beneficial substances into killers.

Oh, I jumped the gun...didn't read your next paragraph before
responding to the one above. Very good.

>A higher rate of allergies (as it
>seems to me is occurring) would be evidence of such mutations.

EXACTLY what's going on.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:49:19 GMT

UPDATE 2

LETTER TO THE EDITOR (Bay Area Reporter and S.F. Bay Times)

Date: January 19, 2008

Subject: Yummy Hetero Flesh

Dear Editor:

Check out this "gay flesh-eating" map (front page, S.F. Chronicle,
Jan. 15):

http://tinyurl.com/2xpgox

The 94114 zip code (Eureka Valley a.k.a. The Castro) is bright
red...like a bull's eye. It's a blatant attack, both psychological and
biological, to terrorize and decimate our gay ranks. And they're not
too covert about it. What does this map really suggest? Gays are CODE
RED, same as Islamic terrorists! (This isn't just a flesh-eating
virus: it's a GAY flesh-eating virus...and a most virulent one at
that! We're not just baby eaters any more. Yay!)

Quoting a recent article regarding this new variant of the MRSA virus
(Bay Area Reporter, Jan. 17):

"Diep made several statements in a news release that fanned the flames
of homophobia. Anti-gay groups seized on the study, with one calling
gay men a public health hazard."

What? A UCSF researcher, Dr. Binh An Diep, aware that his words were
poorly chosen, nonetheless goes on record as possibly fomenting severe
backlash against sexual minorities! Which backlash threatens to spread
way beyond "Gay Mecca," spilling over into all gay communities in
major urban centers worldwide.

I fully agree with one pro-gay organization's position, as reported in
the S.F. Bay Times article dated Jan. 17:

"The Human Rights Campaign has stated that this is a case of rightwing
bigots returning to 1980 HIV/AIDS fear-mongering tactics."

But it is not enough to point our fingers at those fundamentalist and
right-wing groups jumping all over these skewed statistics. We must
also roundly condemn those people originally responsible for
broadcasting such homophobic tripe, who hold important positions in
the medical field, claiming to be friends of the LGBT community.
Starting with Dr. Diep, who heads this particular MRSA project. 

Just who are you, Dr. Binh "Dipwad"? A pious Christian infiltrating
our queer community in order to poison us with a new infection, to
foment further anti-queer backlash? Or perhaps you're a gay man
yourself, whose desire for world fame (along with that of your
associates) far outweighs any true desire to honor the Hippocratic
Oath? You would not be the first opportunist to piggy-back onto our
long-suffering community for your own vainglory, no matter what damage
wrought upon those groups you claim to heal! 

Quoting again from the same B.A. R. article:

"Given the hysteria in much of the media coverage of the recent
studies on MRSA, Diep said that he is concerned there will be a
possible backlash against the gay community."

Dr. Dipwad, put this in your syringe and sit on it: We queers can do
without your perverted sort of "concern". As the saying goes: "With
friends like you, who needs enemies?" I hope you lose your job and
find yourself begging in the streets. Or at best: slinging hash in the
Tenderloin.

As for the S.F. Chronicle:

This is not the first time the Chronicle has sold out to the Religious
Reich. On August 16, 1998, they accepted $35,000 to publish a
full-page anti-gay ad, claiming that we sexual minorities can be
cured! You can view that horrid ad, as well as read outraged responses
(and the Chronicle's own, smug defense) here:

tinyurl.com/29fstx

This medical scandal of homophobic and media intrigue causes me to
question:

Is S.F. General in cahoots with the UCSF med center, to use gay people
as Guinea pigs for their medical experiments? And since the vast
majority of MRSA infections remain a hospital-borne plague, just WHO
should we fear more: homosexuals or hetero-run hospitals?

Sinqueerly yours,

Zeke Krahlin



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:36:02 GMT

Hey you friggin' pinheads (midwhinter, scarjism, et al), you buried
your own hole, now jump in. Written by someone whom I've never met,
nor heard of before this:

Mainstream media blow it -- again
http://www.ebar.com/openforum/opforum.php?sec=letters

Once again gay men are depicted as a problem. Sabin Russell's January
15 article in the San Francisco Chronicle  "Lethal new bacteria --
S.F. an epicenter" admits to a general lack of scientific knowledge.
Russell states that MRSA might be sexually transmitted. Well, duh,
it's spread via skin-skin or skin-surface contact, and that would
include sexual contact as well as contact with, oh say, infected
doorknobs. And yet, Russell feels there's enough evidence to point an
accusatory and sensationalistic finger (the middle one, I suspect) at
SF's gay community. Gee, that's new. Unfortunately, Russell
selectively manages to leave out the extremely high incidence of
infections from elementary and high school gyms and locker rooms.

So SF's gay community is the "epicenter"? What colorful gay-phobic
imagery, definitely more appropriate for the front page of the
Enquirer. Russell provides some statistics re: the denizens of the
94114 Zip code, which just so happens to be in close proximity to SF
General Hospital, therefore a natural place to turn for medical
assistance and exposure. Yet the Zip code 94114 also includes the
predominantly non-gay Noe Valley. And anyone notice all the straight
folks (and baby strollers, etc.) in the Castro? It ain't just gay.

And note that these gay-phobic "facts" are based solely on
epidemiology – the same methodology that "proved" poppers cause AIDS.
But wait, it doesn't.

Does SF General Hospital have any responsibility for the development
and spread of MRSA? SF General admits they've known it's a problem
since 2001, and they've neither cleared out the problem nor stopped
infecting their patients. Why doesn't Russell point that lurid finger
in their direction? Or is it easier to blame the victims whose trust
was violated when they were exposed to this staph bacteria while
seeking medical care?

Also note, doctors claim that by simply cleaning up with soap and
water, you can minimize catching MRSA. Too bad the health department
closed the bathhouses, where people could easily shower after sex. And
anyone notice how the closure did not stop the spread of AIDS?

Buried at the end of the article is the admission that the key factor
might be over-use of antibiotics (a factor not limited to gays living
in the 94114 Zip code), which is probably the fault of an
over-prescribing medical community.

But, hey, when in doubt, blame the fags.

Tom W. Kelly
San Francisco

--end of article

Contrast THIS letter with your own crude words, and what does this
make you look like? A HOMOPHOBE. Jerkwad breeders.

WAIT, I'm not finished. Don't leave this thread yet. Don't I DESERVE
the sheer pleasure of rubbing your own breeder-polluted feces in your
own butt-ugly hetero mugs? (Don't worry, my friends, I'm wearing
osmosis-proof disposable gloves. I won't catch ANY breeder infection.
I also have their MOUTHS gagged, so they can't SPIT any of their
contagious hetero VENOM in my direction.)

There's also THIS news article:

UCSF apologizes for MRSA release
http://www.ebar.com/news/article.php?sec=news&article=2636

Too long to post in its entirety here, but I want to include these
excerpt:

--begin excerpts:

Binh An Diep, 29, the post-doctoral researcher who was the lead author
of the paper, expressed his "regret having made the statement
regarding a potential spread of the new multi-drug-resistant strain of
USA300 into the 'general population.' I deeply apologize for this
offensive jargon as men who have sex with men are part of the general
population," he wrote in an e-mail exchange with a reporter....

Because of its location and the fact that it was first out of the
gate, the Chronicle story set the tone for much of the subsequent
media coverage. The widely distributed Associated Press story was
basically a rewrite of the Chronicle  article.

The New York Times article led with a sensationalist focus on the
"flesh-eating" potential for the MRSA strain and its spread "most
easily through anal intercourse."

--end excerpts

I end by quoting Midwhiner's rude remark to me (one among many):

>discounting your hypersensitivity

Right, my justified OUTRAGE is simply "hypersensitivity".

Oh, and this one too:

>"Pay attention: *I* have never heard anyone suggest 
>that the spread of MRSA is anything at all to do with sexuality."

No, breeder loser, YOU pay attention. The reason YOU claim to have not
heard anyone suggest this, is because you INTENTIONALLY sabotage gay
activists. I won't go so far as to accuse you of being a PLANT for the
religious right...as there are so MANY homophobe-Nazis all too EAGER
to bash and lambast us queers voluntarily, who needs to organize 'em!

Pay attention: STOP deriding and trivializing gay activists like
myself. WE KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING. You have shown your TRUE colors: as
intentional SABOTEUR of gay rights, wherever and whenever you get the
chance.

NO ONE who is NOT out of the closet homosexual, has ANY right to have
the last word on the matter of GAY rights. Not the least of which is
your SMARMY, DISEASE-RIDDEN self, Midwhiner.









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http://www.gay-bible.org

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "1X2Willows" 
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:47:05 -0800

"Chief Thracian"  wrote
> [ad hominem insults snipped]
>
> ... Sabin Russell's January 15 article in the San Francisco Chronicle
> "Lethal new bacteria -- S.F. an epicenter" ...

Yes of course.
Now we're getting the fall-out of the original article you posted.

Surprised?
I thought not.

Dan 



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 03:53:38 GMT

On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:47:05 -0800, "1X2Willows"
 wrote:

>Yes of course.
>Now we're getting the fall-out of the original article you posted.

Thank God for OTHERS in the gay community for keeping on their toes!

Notice the sudden SILENCE of my breeder antagonists in this thread
(midwhiner, scarjism, coot, et al.) It is SO EASY these days for gay
people to discern between TRULY gay-friendly heteros and those OTHERS
("breeder thugs"). For the times they are a-changin', and the gay
bashers now have MORE than enough rope to hang themselves. (Rope
length being 100 times their penis size. Ergo: 100 inches.)

Thanks for your intelligent and compassionate contributions to this
important thread, Dan. I'm very PROUD of the good folks that make up
our queer family, along with those outsiders who nonetheless give us
their unhesitant support. Someday I'll take you out for dinner.

(Keep this post somewhere, and print it out to REMIND me. 'Cause I'll
probably forget about you as I become world FAMOUS. By then, I'll be
EASY to contact, and be OOZING moolah! (My gay-bible.org home page
includes an e-mail link.)


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "Jim" 
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 06:20:07 -0800


"Seamus"  wrote in message 
news:1464a0fd-02f2-4df9-a278-e4e5c357358e@i72g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 24, 10:53 pm, chief_thracia...@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
> wrote:
> 
> Check your facts there, Zeke. None of us hate gays - we just despise
> the self-righteous extremist ones that make real gblt people roll
> their eyes and shake their heads.

Besides there would be no modern druidry if it were not for the gays.




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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Truth Inc.
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:11:09 -0500

>> Check your facts there, Zeke. None of us hate gays - we just despise
>> the self-righteous extremist ones that make real gblt people roll
>> their eyes and shake their heads.
What you're missing here is you have to balance the extremists on the
other side.........the extremists who believe that even if someone
looks "gay" they have the right to kill them or smash them
over the head with a crow bar.

You'd be an extremist too with that kind of hatred against you.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:18:23 GMT

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:11:09 -0500, Truth Inc. wrote:

>What you're missing here is you have to balance the extremists on the
>other side.........the extremists who believe that even if someone
>looks "gay" they have the right to kill them or smash them
>over the head with a crow bar.
>
>You'd be an extremist too with that kind of hatred against you.

Well said, amigo!




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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:17:31 GMT

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 06:20:07 -0800, "Jim" 
wrote:

>Besides there would be no modern druidry if it were not for the gays.

EXCELLENT. You may consider me one such...as all too evident when you
visit my web site. Again, thanks.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:23:02 GMT

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 06:20:07 -0800, "Jim" 
wrote:


>Besides there would be no modern druidry if it were not for the gays.

Got a poem for ya (writ by yours truly):

ACROSTIC TO AIREN
by
Ezekiel Joseph Krahlin (Soon to be "Airen Jay Kells")
Druid Extraordinaire


1.

C ool-weather Bird of Paradise, spread your
O range wings of Kilkenny's Celtic dawn over my
P allid fields of scorched flesh and charred bones.
P hoenix rising to your lips, I am
E ire's promise of the Emerald Eye
R esurrected from the fires of Christian wars.

A iren, Christ of Ireland and Dragon of the Stone,
N ever turn your back on the Little People.
G reen clover bends in the shadow of your steps while
E agles pluck St. Patrick's bones and
L eprechauns dance rings around your copper-penny hair.

2.

O my gay brothers and sisters of Airen's Land,
You have suffered o'er much.
'Tis time for your shackles to drop to the ground,
And your wings to sprout!

Lead the way to revolution,
Druid Republic arise in Emerald Splendor!
Thou art LEADERS over breeders!
Fear not the lash, the tongue, the gun,
For you ARE now INVINCIBLE!

Give the curs-ed heteros HELL
If such be your pleasure.
For NO straight person can even come close
To your measure
Of sacrifice, pride, wisdom and treasure!

BLAST the Blarney Stone to Kingdom Cum,
No kisses shall evermore be wasted
On deceptive straight tongue
While Jesus yearns to love his BROTHER,
Because thou art so very well hung!

Guilt is not the ruler of innocent lamb,
Nor Catholic dogma
That would have us DAMNED
For everlasting TIME,
'Cause brotherly love they deem
The ULTIMATE crime!

Arise triumphant, O Celtic Nation, in all your Lavender Glory!
Gay leaders EMERGE from Belfast's cinders
Of Christian strife.
Gaelic midwife,
Be not concerned with gender.
Ye are not to judge who packs the fudge,
But only with dismember
Of stillborn legal bodies
And intentional DECEIT that dis-remembers
Eire's noble history
Of same-sex love whose breath keeps aglow
Those pagan embers.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:14:02 GMT

There's ALSO this by columnist Chris Crain (I emphasize by rubbing
your scat in your breeder mugs, Midwhiner, scarjism, coot, et al):

Deja AIDS All Over Again
http://www.sfbaytimes.com/index.php?sec=article&article_id=7396

--quote:

"FLESH EATING SUPER BUG SPREADS AMONG GAYS"
That headline and variations of it appeared around the world this past
week as the mainstream media went into panic overdrive in response to
research showing gay men in San Francisco and several other urban
areas were at a higher risk of infection from a drug-resistant form of
staph infection.

--end quote

PAY ATTENTION, homopobes: "That headline and variations of it APPEARED
AROUND THE WORLD". Ergo, all YOU'VE done, Midwhiner, is show to all
the Usenet world, what a gay-hating IGNORMAUS breeder you are. Ha, ha.
ROTFLMAO.

And since you're from England, Midwhiner, you MIGHT try to excuse your
ignorance by claiming no such homophobic article appearing in any
British journal that you know of. So I now quote from that same
article:

"One London tabloid even dubbed MRSA 'the new HIV.'"

Crain is a gay columnist BTW, who was recently bashed to within an
INCH of his life in formerly gay-friendly Holland, thanks to hetero
ignoramuses who like YOU dipwads, who don't give a FUCK about gay
people, instead constantly DERIDE and TRIVIIALIZE our paiticipation in
public forums. (And wilfully IGNORE our plight, while FEIGNING
gay-friendliness.) Read about his bashing here:

The science of anti-gay hate
http://citizenchris.typepad.com/citizenchris/2007/12/the-science-of.html



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 05:58:17 GMT

This thread is finally coming to an end. I want to thank the TRUE
supporters of gay rights, whose input is worth wallowng through all
the homphobic sludge that has attempted to DROWN my astute and worthy
comments. They number only three (out of a total TWELVE participants,
including myself):

1X2Willows
"Jim" 
Truth In

THANK YOU...and may Goddess bless you with a beautiful life from here
on!

Let this thread stand as PROOF that homophobia is NOT limited to Xian
dogma. Sadly, it has infested Pagan, Shaman, and all other
"alternative" religions.




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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:42:57 GMT

FOR THE RECORD

This missive is addressed for the few in this thread who DO have ears
to hear...NOT to these homophobic idiots attempting to SKEW my
statements in a similar fashion to the distortion and lies by those
researchers and media outlets in question. (Seamus, Midwinter, root,
sarchasm, Medusa Slox, Stacey  Weinberger.) For the sake of Socratic
dialectic, this article ADDRESSES the culprits listed between those
preceding parantheses. Missive ALSO addressed to any FUTURE readers of
this piece, which I will soon post to my blog, and web site.

Please not that TWO of the above listed may not have ATTACKED me, but
their participation in NO way involves any support of my viewpoints.
And is so refusing to acknowledge my significance, they become
partners in crime.

Your IMMEDIATE reaction was to jump all over me, as if whatever's put
into print MUST be truth. NO ONE is that stupid. Ergo, I conclude that
your TRIVIALIZATION of my viewpoint is BECAUSE I am specifically a GAY
activist, and you INTENTIONALLY mocked me. You WILFULLY played into
the SF Chronicle's OBVIOUS defamation of gay people. You are part of
the CONSPIRACY, which is REAL, which is UGLY. You can bellow and rage
all you want, accusing me of being deluded. You just CAN'T get the
black tar of maliciousness off your baby mentality.

Ergo #2: YOU are a homophobe.

When balanced news reports finally came in (thanks to the dedicated
reporters of GAY media, FYI, NOT hetero, no, not a one), they clearly
and accurately REFLECTED my conclusion on three out of four counts
re.: (1) skewed data, (2) vainglorious researchers (willing to ravage
an ALREADY sorely persecuted community for their own greed), and (3)
INTENTIONALLY HOMOPHOBIC news reports (beginning w/the SF Chronicle).
While none of the truth-speakers went so far as to suggest (4)
CONSPIRACY as I surely have, everything ELSE I claimed was CONFIRMED
by numerous and RELIABLE accounts. Even the NEW YORK TIMES apologized,
fer chrissake!

It's not that I believe everyone (or anyone) MUST agree with EVERY
premise of mine...but once the EVIDENCE poured in, favoring THREE of
my FOUR major claims: any DECENT person (one who is also not
homophobic), would not hesitate to admit my veracity. And therefore,
even if they have strong doubts about an actual CONSPIRACY behind
these SUSPICIOUS events...they would now CONSIDER that possibility,
due to my success correctly interpreting 75% of my surmisals.

But did YOU (and cronies) care to acknowledge wherein I was right as
rain, and that (to put this politely) you reacted too summarily...that
maybe you should have HELD OFF your attacks for a day or two? OF
COURSE NOT. And why is that? (C'mon everyone, sing along!)

H-O-M-O-P-H-O-B-I-A

You (et al) PERSERVERED in your anti-gay skulduggery as if NO accurate
corrections followed via balanced media sources. You CONITINUED your
outrageous attack upon me, accusing me of being overly reactive, and
giving a bad name for gays. Such deliberate OBFUSCATION is indeed the
strategy of anti-queer breeders. It NEVER fails. And because they
believe they can GET AWAY WITH IT, these foul bullies

Further: you and your ilk ET AL, totally IGNORED the various comments
of SUPPORT and AGREEMENT I received in this same thread. AS IF that
never happened. As if! Now for a rundown of the support I received
herein:

Noon-Air:

"In the minds of many amerikans it doesn't matter whether or not
anybody implied it at all. Just hearing it under the terms of 'higher-
rate by this much' is enough to make a lot of really stupid people
think even more idiotic thoughts than they did a few moments before."

1X2Willows:

"So far, I am indeed of the opinion that the original article was
presented in a way so as to imply without explicitly saying so,
that homosexual men are responsible for the outbreak of a new
'bug' which has the potential to endanger society as a whole."

"Jim" :

"Besides there would be no modern druidry if it were not for the
gays."

Truth Inc.:

"You'd be an extremist too with that kind of hatred against you."

You, Midwinter (and cronies) have been ZEALOUSLY deriding me, in an
OBVIOUS maneuver to DERAIL and OBFUSCATE the truth I've presented. As
one who specializes in gay issues, as I have for MANY years, I have
developed keen INSIGHT and superior deductive REASONING. Which
reasoning has become so ADEPT, I can (like Sherlock Holmes) deduce
MANY conclusions from a single thread left in a carpet. I do not
EXPECT even my greatest allies to possess this remarkable gift...but I
DO expect those who are truly non-homophobic and PROGRESSIVE, to give
me DUE respect and consideration...even to ideas which upon FIRST
presentation, appear OUTRAGEOUS. YOU do not, thus leading to my
precise deduction that YOU (et al) are definitely biased AGAINST gay
people. While of course, PRETENDING to be queer friendly. 

Nazi tactics all the way! Infiltrate and obfuscate. Sabotage and
camouflage. Boink the masses and diddle there asses. Screw the
faggots, treat 'em like maggots. BETRAY the truth with tongues so
loose! For WHATEVER reason, I am the SOLE remaining gay activist in
AMERIKA that has NOT sold out to breeder terrorism. I take NO dollars,
NO public fame, NO empowerment from the hands of you HETERO LIZARDS.

After YEARS and years of studying gay and anti-gay reports, it is
CLEAR to me, there is a social-engineering style REAL conspiracy,
using GAY people as the main scapegoat. I am NOT afraid of being
labelled CRAZY, realizing that is ONE of the CURSES I must suffer, in
order to bring TRUTH into the light of day. In THAT sense (and ONLY in
that sense), you BREEDER culprits are my angels too, who willingly
play the role of ENEMY, that I may become HERO. For the Buddha says,
"We have no enemies, only teachers." So THANK YOU for being such
breeder ASSHOLES, in order to portray my GREATNESS by contrast.

There is NO WAY to uncover the truth--that anti-gay actions are a
result of abconsciously organized CONSPIRACY--withOUT accusing certain
factions of complicity. And NOT being hesitant to say so in public
venues (such as Usenet), for fear of being regarded LOONEY. For here
is ANOTHER truth I now toss your way (for I believe that pearls, even
when tossed before swine, do NOT lose their luster):

If you don't bother to CHALLENGE these beasts, get folks riled up,
we'll NEVER discover the truth. And THAT attitude is but ONE of
various ways to ACCURATELY determine who and who is NOT
homophobic...and to what degree. I am MORE then willing to throw
myself on The Sword, in order to get to the BOTTOM of things.

Obviously, this includes exposing BOTTOM DWELLERS such as Seamus,
Midwinter, root, sarchasm, Medusa Slox, and Stacey  Weinberger.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:05:46 -0600

chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :

> And is so refusing to acknowledge my significance

I think that tells us all we need to know about you.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 03:17:18 -0700

"Midwinter"  wrote:
> (Chief Thracian) said :
>
> > And is so refusing to acknowledge my significance
>
> I think that tells us all we need to know about you.

Pretty sure the 'chief' bit gave that away long ago.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:50:06 -0600

"sarchasm"  said :

>> > And is so refusing to acknowledge my significance
>>
>> I think that tells us all we need to know about you.
> 
> Pretty sure the 'chief' bit gave that away long ago.

Yes, fair point.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:27:48 GMT

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:05:46 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>I think that tells us all we need to know about you.

Hardly. You're grasping at straws. As usual.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 03:06:02 -0700

"Seamus"  wrote:
> (Chief Thracian) wrote:

> 
>
> What was the point of posting this twice?

Anyone else would get the benefit of the doubt with it being due to a faulty
newserver.  Zeke might see it as a vast conspiracy to cover up the
conspiracy which, of course, only exists to torment him.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:18:25 GMT

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 03:06:02 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>"When ya stop being paranoid, that's when they git ya!" - anon

One female liberationist's definition of paranoia: 

"Heightened awareness". 

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:47:34 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> >"When ya stop being paranoid, that's when they git ya!" - anon
>
> One female liberationist's definition of paranoia:
>
> "Heightened awareness".
>

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 04:11:33 -0600

chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :

> One female liberationist's definition of paranoia: 
> 
> "Heightened awareness". 

Some other definitions, more generally accepted:

"A psychotic disorder characterized by delusions of persecution"; "Extreme, 
irrational distrust of others" - American Heritage Dictionary

"[A] mental disorder characterized by systematized delusions and the 
projection of personal conflicts, which are ascribed to the supposed 
hostility of others" - Dictionary.com

"[A] tendency on the part of an individual or group toward excessive or 
irrational suspiciousness and distrustfulness of others" - Merriam-
Webster's Medical Dictionary

"[A] mental condition characterized by delusions of persecution, 
unwarranted jealousy, or exaggerated self-importance" - Oxford English 
Dictionary

So you and your 'female liberationist' see paranoia as something worthy; 
everyone else sees it as a problem.  I assume she'd been accused of 
paranoia, as well?  We have no context or source for the definition you've 
quoted, after all.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:02:18 GMT

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 04:11:33 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>So you and your 'female liberationist' see paranoia as something worthy; 
>everyone else sees it as a problem.  

Everyone else? Hardly. Using sophistry to win an argument is the mark
of a hypocrite a la Michael Savage (of hate talk radio infamy).

>I assume she'd been accused of paranoia, as well?

Why make such an assumption, except to distort our dialogue to appear
more favorable than your opponent? As I recall, it was a brilliant
article, where the women CHALLENGED stereotype views most men have of
women. Such as accusing them of being hystercial by nature, thus
unworthy and incapable to handle positions of great responsibility,
such as Pres. of the U.S. and an Army General directing his soldiers
in wartime maneuvers. 

"Paranoia" is often an accusation against assertive females, by macho
posturing male ignoramuses...similar to labeling them "hysterical".

> We have no context or source for the definition you've 
> quoted, after all.

Too bad. My memory is not eidetic.




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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:27:21 -0600

chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :

>>So you and your 'female liberationist' see paranoia as something
>>worthy; everyone else sees it as a problem.  
> 
> Everyone else? Hardly. Using sophistry to win an argument is the mark
> of a hypocrite a la Michael Savage (of hate talk radio infamy).

I'm not particularly bothered about accusations of hypocrisy coming from
someone as demonstrably irrational as yourself.  However, let's qualify
it with "everyone else in my experience": everyone I know who's used the
words 'paranoia' or 'paranoia', whether in colloquial terms or in the
psychiatric sense, has viewed it as a problem. 

To address the quotation you offered from your feminist, *vigilance* is
a good thing.  Heightened vigilance is a good thing in dangerous times. 
Paranoia is never a good thing, because it is not rational.  And an
irrational assessment of possible threats is extremely dangerous. 


>>I assume she'd been accused of paranoia, as well?
> 
> Why make such an assumption, except to distort our dialogue to appear
> more favorable than your opponent?

It's a logical conclusion to draw, lacking any further information.  Why
did you present the quote?  Because you'd been called paranoid, and
rather than a flat-out denial, you wanted to show off a bit.  So you
gave us a quote from someone obviously trying to make paranoia sound
like a good and beneficial thing.  Now why would someone be doing that? 
Most probably for the same reason that you offered the quote in the
first place: as a way of taking an accusation against you and turning it
to your advantage. 


> As I recall, it was a brilliant
> article, where the women CHALLENGED stereotype views most men have of
> women.

Just as your stereotyped views are being challenged in this thread.


> "Paranoia" is often an accusation against assertive females, by macho
> posturing male ignoramuses...similar to labeling them "hysterical".

Yet in this case the accusation is made against an exceedingly angry
male with a demonstrated persecution complex who considers himself an
'accomplished activist' and a 'hero', combating a giant anti-gay
conspiracy. 

I'm no psychologist, and I've a general dislike of attempts to diagnose
people online, but since classic paranoid symptoms include delusions of
persecution and sometimes of grandeur, and since the delusions are
usually fiercely defended through what the individual is convinced is
logical argument, you do seem to fit the profile - at least from a
layman's point of view. 

I'm not going to follow this up as some might with exhortations to 'get
help' or any of that rubbish.  I've no reason to assume that your
real-world persona is anything like your Usenet one.  I'll address only
the comments you make in your posts here, and the persona you present
here. 


>> We have no context or source for the definition you've 
>> quoted, after all.
> 
> Too bad. My memory is not eidetic.

I wasn't asking for a cite.  This isn't Wikipedia.  I was just pointing
out that you didn't give one. 

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 06:33:36 GMT

On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:27:21 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>everyone I know who's used the
>words 'paranoia' or 'paranoia', whether in colloquial terms or in the
>psychiatric sense, has viewed it as a problem. 

That does not negate the very REAL fact that accusing one of being
insane, paranoid, schizophrenic etc. is one strategy of hateful
people, to demonize their victims. Sometimes, to get an inheritance by
commiting their victim to an insane asylum.

The McArthy Era was rampant with evil bigots who saw artists and
activists as loony, paranoid, anti-American...and as a result caused
much terror and misery in our society. We are going through these
witch hunts all over again, thanks to Bush and cronies.

>To address the quotation you offered from your feminist, *vigilance* is
>a good thing.  Heightened vigilance is a good thing in dangerous times. 

Vigilance? Of course!

"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." -Thomas Jefferson

>Paranoia is never a good thing, because it is not rational.  And an
>irrational assessment of possible threats is extremely dangerous. 

Ah. But MOST whistle blowers are labeled paranoid by corrupt leaders,
in an attempt to demonize and silence them. YOU are doing same to me,
in this thread. (Along w/others. But I've come to EXPECT this, being a
gay activist in a homophobic culture.)

>So you
>gave us a quote from someone obviously trying to make paranoia sound
>like a good and beneficial thing.  

No I did not. You are intentionally OBFUSCATING my words. I simply
pointed out that calling someone "paranoid", like calling someone
"crazy" is a common strategy utilized by thugs to attack decent
people, particularly whistle blowers.

In fact, it wasn't until recent times, homosexuality been taken of the
list of psychiatric disturbances. Yet our culture persists in
demonizing queers, even labeling them an imminent danger to social
norms. Yet I'm called "paranoid" for pointing this out. Erog, what
paranoia I'm accused of is actually "heightened awareness."

>Now why would someone be doing that? 
>Most probably for the same reason that you offered the quote in the
>first place: as a way of taking an accusation against you and turning it
>to your advantage. 

A person who can take up a negative spin, and weave it into a positive
energy SHOULD be commended, not demonized.

>Just as your stereotyped views are being challenged in this thread.

You have it ass backwards. No surprise here.

>Yet in this case the accusation is made against an exceedingly angry
>male 

Exceedingly? No. Righteously outraged? Yes. Like Martin Luther King
against lynching.

>with a demonstrated persecution complex who considers himself an
>'accomplished activist' and a 'hero', combating a giant anti-gay
>conspiracy. 

When persecution is real and widespread, it's not a complex, it's the
truth. Gays remain under Amerika's shadow of terror, and it has
WORSENED. The SF Chronicle is NO friend of queers! The giant anti-gay
conspiracy is alive and well, and obviously, you are one of its
puppets, assigned to denigrate and trivialize me as much as possible.

Now that you've bungled things up in SO many ways, I guess when you
return to their headquarters, you'll be SHOT.

>I'm no psychologist, and I've a general dislike of attempts to diagnose
>people online, 

But there you go anyway, contradicting yourself as usual!

>but since classic paranoid symptoms include delusions of
>persecution and sometimes of grandeur, 

But classic paranoid symptoms can ONLY be insinuated IF the
persecution has proven to be illusory. In the case of gays in
homophobe Amerika, it is REAL. And that is the very CHALLENGE before
us, before this nation, before MANY nations, and thus, the WORLD.

YOU claim that MOST gays get along just fine these days. That is a
bald LIE, and you know it. The ONLY gays who do "okay" are either
turncoats who'd sell their own brothers down the river, or AFFLUENT
snotty queers whose MONEY buys them considerable freedom...enough to
ignore the plight of the MAJORITY of sexual minorities. Just as
affluent blacks who've turned their backs on the majority of their own
brothers who continue to live in abject poverty, on toxic land.

The PERSECUTION of Native Americans continues too. That is NOT
paranoia, you fool, that is authentic and gov't sanctioned terror and
genocide.

The REAL paranoia re. gay rights comes from the ENEMY who has been
brainwashed to FEAR and HATE for totally irrational reasons, the
homosexual. THAT fits the definition of paranoia to a tee.

>I'm not going to follow this up as some might with exhortations to 'get
>help' or any of that rubbish. 

But you just implied that, be bring up the idea. Breeder speaks with
forked tongue!

>I wasn't asking for a cite.  This isn't Wikipedia.  I was just pointing
>out that you didn't give one. 

You're beating a dead horse. Your raison d'etre.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 05:49:42 -0600

chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :

> That does not negate the very REAL fact that accusing one of being
> insane, paranoid, schizophrenic etc. is one strategy of hateful
> people, to demonize their victims. Sometimes, to get an inheritance by
> commiting their victim to an insane asylum.

I'm not a psychologist, so I can't diagnose you.  But I can say that, 
from an everyday point of view, you demonstrate the characteristics that 
most definitions associate with paranoia:

1. A conviction of persecution (which I suspect you rather relish)
2. A sense of your own grandeur (your boasts about your achievements and 
your significance, and your description of yourself as a 'hero')
3. A resistance to logical argument and a conviction that your own logic 
is flawless.

So.  You're paranoid, according to that definition.  Whether a 
psychiatrist would agree, or whether you do anything about it, I frankly 
couldn't care less.


> "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." -Thomas Jefferson

A true, if well-worn, quotation.  Jefferson, however, did not advocate 
paranoia, which is a very different thing.


>>Paranoia is never a good thing, because it is not rational.  And an
>>irrational assessment of possible threats is extremely dangerous. 
> 
> Ah. But MOST whistle blowers are labeled paranoid by corrupt leaders,
> in an attempt to demonize and silence them. YOU are doing same to me,
> in this thread.

I am.  And I'm giving reasons why I'm saying what I'm saying.  As you're 
so fond of pointing out, the record stands.


> In fact, it wasn't until recent times, homosexuality been taken of the
> list of psychiatric disturbances.

True.  Semi-literate, but true.


> Yet our culture persists in
> demonizing queers, even labeling them an imminent danger to social
> norms. Yet I'm called "paranoid" for pointing this out. Erog, what
> paranoia I'm accused of is actually "heightened awareness."

No - as I said, the definition of paranoia gives three specific 
characteristics.  You tick all three boxes, in big fat felt-tip pen.  
'Erog', I personally, from my unqualified position, consider you on the 
basis of that definition to be paranoid.


> A person who can take up a negative spin, and weave it into a positive
> energy SHOULD be commended, not demonized.

Indeed.  But you didn't do that.  You just threw out the quote and are 
*now* trying to rationalise it.

 
>>Yet in this case the accusation is made against an exceedingly angry
>>male 
> 
> Exceedingly? No. Righteously outraged? Yes. Like Martin Luther King
> against lynching.

But you concede that you are angry - and we're already into this 
particular question elsewhere.


>>with a demonstrated persecution complex who considers himself an
>>'accomplished activist' and a 'hero', combating a giant anti-gay
>>conspiracy. 
> 
> When persecution is real and widespread, it's not a complex, it's the
> truth.

It might well be that gays are persecuted in some - maybe even many - 
areas.  The question is whether this is organised by a massive, worldwide 
conspiracy, as you seem to believe.  If so, then you've little hope of 
defeating it, because - as is the case with all giant conspiracies (9/11; 
Moon Hoax; Princess Diana; and so on) - by the conspiracy theorist's 
measure, everyone not with you against the conspiracy is actively and 
knowingly working for it.  End result, the only people who are available 
for you to fight for are those who have no opinion about the conspiracy 
one way or the other.

On the other hand, if there is *no* organised conspiracy, and what gay 
people face each day is simply residual bigotry and prejudice in a 
society that, as you pointed out, only recently conceded that 
homosexuality wasn't an illness, then you're actually an obstacle to 
improvement rather than a channel for it.

Think about it (I know you won't): you've said yourself that you go out 
on the street decorated with confrontational, borderline (if not 
blatantly) anti-hetero slogans, essentially looking for trouble.  That's 
certainly how you've approached Usenet: you came here looking for a 
fight. So what good do you think you're doing the cause of gay rights?  
You're increasing friction, you're increasing tension, you're probably 
leading  heterosexuals to associate your anger and militancy with all gay 
people; you are, in a very real sense, undermining the cause you claim to 
be fighting for.  And before you protest or dismiss the statement, bear 
in mind you've come into an environment - four environments - where there 
was relatively little anti-gay prejudice to begin with; you've sought 
conflict and confrontation; and you attribute any negative reaction to 
anti-gay prejudice.  But it's not: it's just you.  It's your attitude, 
it's your approach to people.  It's your prejudice, and your bigotry.  By 
garnering objection to your claims and (importantly) the way you've made 
them, you've been able to satisfy yourself that the hatred you expected 
(wanted?) to find here was indeed here, and that in turn has justified in 
your own mind your aggressive and intolerant attitude towards people 
here.

And I know it'll be easy for you to simply turn all that round and 
basically say, "no, *you* are" - but if at some point you manage to calm 
down for a few moments, you might want to reflect on it.


> You're beating a dead horse.

You know, that's the truest thing you've said.  I am indeed.  And even my 
masochism can go only so far.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 23:13:37 GMT

On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 05:49:42 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>1. A conviction of persecution (which I suspect you rather relish)
>2. A sense of your own grandeur (your boasts about your achievements and 
>your significance, and your description of yourself as a 'hero')

SOME of my braggadocio is writ tongue in cheek, just to get reactions.
You don't REALLY believe I am delusional...you just WISH to project
that about me because you can't stand the words of a gay activist.
Naturally, you care NOT to suggest that SOME of my statements are writ
in humor and taunt. When sarchasm says that about himself, well you
just applaud his wit! But since you treat me with a double standard,
of course I'm not witty, just plain windy!

>So.  You're paranoid, according to that definition.  

Or maybe I'm fucking with you. After all, even HETS are good for
something!

>Whether a 
>psychiatrist would agree, or whether you do anything about it, I frankly 
>couldn't care less.

Psychiatrists are Nazis.

>No - as I said, the definition of paranoia gives three specific 
>characteristics.  You tick all three boxes, in big fat felt-tip pen.  

I'm nowhere NEAR as paranoid, as you are a deceiver.

>But you concede that you are angry - and we're already into this 
>particular question elsewhere.

No I'm NOT angry. I'm righteously ANGERED, OUTRAGED. But in CONTROL of
those emotions, channeling into creative forms of activism which
includes Usenet participation.

>It might well be that gays are persecuted in some - maybe even many - 
>areas.  The question is whether this is organised by a massive, worldwide 
>conspiracy, as you seem to believe.  

It IS. I call it the Beast of Homophobia. It's ultimately a psychic
virus that first attacked man as recorded in the story of Cain and
Abel. Cain slew Abel: humanity's first account of homophobia, via the
Hebrew records.

>If so, then you've little hope of 
>defeating it, because - as is the case with all giant conspiracies (9/11; 
>Moon Hoax; Princess Diana; and so on) - by the conspiracy theorist's 
>measure, everyone not with you against the conspiracy is actively and 
>knowingly working for it.

You only give examples of FALSE conspiracies. True conspiracies for
example: Nazi regime in Germany, Tuskeegee Experiment, Genocide of
Native Americans, Watergate.

And just as there was FOUND a way to defeat Nazism, I claim there is a
way to completely eradicate homophobia from the globe. I offer a
variety of strategies to implement this, in my many related essays on
my web site and blog.

> End result, the only people who are available 
>for you to fight for are those who have no opinion about the conspiracy 
>one way or the other.

I'm changing all that: making the conspiracy VISIBLE via my two books
now online, under the heading "Steal This Blog".

>On the other hand, if there is *no* organised conspiracy, and what gay 
>people face each day is simply residual bigotry and prejudice in a 
>society that, as you pointed out, only recently conceded that 
>homosexuality wasn't an illness, then you're actually an obstacle to 
>improvement rather than a channel for it.

Ah, but there IS a true conspiracy which uses gay people as their main
SACRIFICE to empower their own wicked ends. To LEARN about this
conspiracy, read "Friendly Ghost Detective Agency", which is the
second book in Steal This Blog. Still a work in progress, but all
important points re. this cult has already been uploaded to my book.

>Think about it (I know you won't): you've said yourself that you go out 
>on the street decorated with confrontational, borderline (if not 
>blatantly) anti-hetero slogans, essentially looking for trouble.  

No. The trouble's just under the surface. I scratch the surface to
reveal society's TRUE level of homophobia. Were society not so
unfriendly towards gays, my buttons would be regarded mundane by
everyone. It is NOT me provoking anger, it is that my logos and
slogans bring out people's REAL attitudes about gays.

Even if you wore a simple pink triangle, believe me how you'd lose all
your friends and probably job, in just a few months. The ONLY way gays
will not be accused of pressing buttons is if they go back into the
closet. Many have. A vast majority of us REMAIN in the closet, never
came out in the first place.

Looking for trouble? No. Looking for justice? Yes.

>That's 
>certainly how you've approached Usenet: you came here looking for a 
>fight. 

Not at all. But since I live in a homophobic reality, I certainly am
not surprised whenever I'm attacked.

>So what good do you think you're doing the cause of gay rights?  

Inspiring my gay brothers to be AGGRESSIVE and not let heteros push us
around. Strike the enemies where they live. Don't wait till you're
bashed yourself, 'cause then it's too late.

>You're increasing friction, you're increasing tension, you're probably 
>leading  heterosexuals to associate your anger and militancy with all gay 
>people; you are, in a very real sense, undermining the cause you claim to 
>be fighting for. 

Ha! This is not the first time a true patriot is accused of treason.
In fact, the greatest patriots have ALWAYS been the most provocative
dissenters!

>And before you protest or dismiss the statement, bear 
>in mind you've come into an environment - four environments - where there 
>was relatively little anti-gay prejudice to begin with; 

Now THAT claim is bullshit. Pagans are barely LESS homophobic than
Xians. My presence here HAS contributed over the years, to a somewhat
IMPROVED treatment of queers, but homophobia remains RAMPANT. The ONLY
reason you state there is little anti-gay prejudice in such groups, is
because there is SO LITTLE discussed re. gay issues, unlike the OTHER
civil rights issues.

So, gays are mostly invisible. Consequently so are the homophobes. But
whenever a truly GAY perspective is added, homophobic pagans come out
of the woodword. MANY hetero men prefer these newsgroups for cruisin'
the chicks, their pagan topics merely a cover. They don't want no
stinkin' FAGGOT ruining their cozy arrangement!

>you've sought 
>conflict and confrontation; and you attribute any negative reaction to 
>anti-gay prejudice.  

Nope. I'm challenging the pagan community to do better than they've
been doing, regarding the support of their gay pagan brothers and
sisters.

>And I know it'll be easy for you to simply turn all that round and 
>basically say, "no, *you* are" - but if at some point you manage to calm 
>down for a few moments, you might want to reflect on it.

I've been calm all along. You just INSIST I'm angry, frothing, and
exciting in your attempt to demonize my contributions as a GAY
activist and pagan.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 17:13:00 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> Midwinter  wrote:
>
> >1. A conviction of persecution (which I suspect you rather relish)
> >2. A sense of your own grandeur (your boasts about your achievements and
> >your significance, and your description of yourself as a 'hero')
>
> SOME of my braggadocio is writ tongue in cheek, just to get reactions.

Which you then dismiss.  Tongue in cheek - sure they are.

> You don't REALLY believe I am delusional...you just WISH to project
> that about me because you can't stand the words of a gay activist.

It doesn't matter whether or not we 'believe' you're delusional; what
matters is whether or not you are delusional.  You are.

> Naturally, you care NOT to suggest that SOME of my statements are writ
> in humor and taunt. When sarchasm says that about himself, well you
> just applaud his wit! But since you treat me with a double standard,
> of course I'm not witty, just plain windy!

This is likely due to my possessing some wit and you being entirely witless.

>
> >So.  You're paranoid, according to that definition.
>
> Or maybe I'm fucking with you. After all, even HETS are good for
> something!

Then you tacitly are a shill, an agent provocteur.

>
> >Whether a
> >psychiatrist would agree, or whether you do anything about it, I frankly
> >couldn't care less.
>
> Psychiatrists are Nazis.

You refused treatment unless committed, huh?

>
> >No - as I said, the definition of paranoia gives three specific
> >characteristics.  You tick all three boxes, in big fat felt-tip pen.
>
> I'm nowhere NEAR as paranoid, as you are a deceiver.

Instead of denials, try acting like you're not paranoid instead.  Can you?



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:43:11 GMT

On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 17:13:00 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>It doesn't matter whether or not we 'believe' you're delusional; what
>matters is whether or not you are delusional.  You are.

Yes, you are SUCH an excellent armchair pyschiatrist, aren't you,
sarchasm. You are the LAST WORD in mental health! Thank you SO MUCH
for using some of your valuable time to impart your bottomless WISDOM
to us humble ordinary folk here in Usenet forums.

>This is likely due to my possessing some wit and you being entirely witless.

No comment there! You sound pretty uptight, actually.

>Then you tacitly are a shill, an agent provocteur.

NOT in the way you define. But yes, I most definitely AM a
provocateur. But I don't think you can ever really GRASP where I'm
coming from, until you read my two novels from "Steal This Blog". ALL
the answers to who I am, my purposes and intents, are written therein.

>You refused treatment unless committed, huh?

Why should I give my gifted mind up to Nazi researchers? Oh, well I
realize you would LIKE to have me lobotomized, 'cause being the swine
breeder you are, you harbor EVIL thoughts about decent gay folks.

Psychiatry is nothing more than a nest of Nazi vipers who abuse and
torture their patients. Psychiatric drugs are crude weapons of
chemical lobotomy. See the following web site, as their ideas align
TOTALLY with mine:

Antipsychiatry Coalition
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/

I ONLY believe in medicine and therapy that is 100% COMPASSIONATE. A
culture which TERRORIZES gays, allows citizens to be homeless (just
two examples among many) is NOT compassionate...and therefore, NOT
sane.

Pagans have long suffered a HOLOCAUST from the Xian majority in MANY
countries. Psychiatry is an ARM of terrorist Xian culture. Yet YOU,
sarchasm, would nonetheless throw me into the jaws of the wolves,
simply because your panties get up in a bunch over ANY gay person who
does NOT tow the hetero line.

>Instead of denials, try acting like you're not paranoid instead.  Can you?

Would you call Martin Luther King PARANOID for speaking out against
anti-black violence?

That's all I'M doing regarding anti-gay violence.

So tell me: after all the opposing (and accurate) evidence has come
in, do you STILL think the SF Chronicle's MRSA article was fair
minded?

(Oh, let's see here...that was a TRICK question, wasn't it?
Soooorrrry!)


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 23:40:12 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> >It doesn't matter whether or not we 'believe' you're delusional; what
> >matters is whether or not you are delusional.  You are.
>
> Yes, you are SUCH an excellent armchair pyschiatrist, aren't you,
> sarchasm.

The form and content of your posts, in your own words, strongly suggests
delusion on your part.  Midwinter covered this aspect and that suffices.

>
> >This is likely due to my possessing some wit and you being entirely
witless.
>
> No comment there!

Precisley.

>
> >Then you tacitly are a shill, an agent provocteur.
>
> NOT in the way you define. But yes,

Enough said.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 08:14:44 GMT

On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 23:40:12 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>The form and content of your posts, in your own words, strongly suggests
>delusion on your part.  Midwinter covered this aspect and that suffices.

Wrong again, breeder faggot!


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 05:48:35 -0600

Seamus  said :

> That was an awesome sentence. It proves, thoroughly and completely,
> that you have absolutely no fucking clue what you are doing.

Seamus, while I admire your persistence, you've obviously broken him.  He's 
shorted out.  Wouldn't you have more fun with a more resilient toy?

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 12:15:25 -0700

"Seamus"  wrote:
> Midwinter  wrote:

> > Seamus, while I admire your persistence, you've obviously broken him.
He's
> > shorted out.  Wouldn't you have more fun with a more resilient toy?
>
> Yeah, you have a point. Sadly, there aren't any around.
>
> Hey, waitaminute! I can't take _all_ the credit, here. Arguably, you
> and Sarchasm outdid me in subduing this bigot.

He's just off bandaging his feet after all of those self-inflicted wounds,
no doubt.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 06:53:02 GMT

On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 12:15:25 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>He's just off bandaging his feet after all of those self-inflicted wounds,
>no doubt.

Actually, I'm completing another chapter of my book, "Friendly Ghost
Detective Agency," and preparing for a fun visit with my literary
agent up in Medocino County. And, dealing with some bullies who've
tried to intimidate the residents of my building...but it backfired,
thanks to my witness, and some others who are NOT SCARED of them.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 00:31:33 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> >He's just off bandaging his feet after all of those self-inflicted
wounds,
> >no doubt.
>
> Actually, I'm completing another chapter of my book, "Friendly Ghost
> Detective Agency," and preparing for a fun visit with my literary
> agent up in Medocino County.

Still impressively mooching off the gov't. tit, are you?



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:20:51 GMT

On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 00:31:33 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>Still impressively mooching off the gov't. tit, are you?

Actually,  the gov't is mooching off all of its working stiffs.
Sucker!

MOST of your taxes go NOT go to the jobless. They go to the war
machine, and to perpetrate anti-gay dogma. I'm GLAD I don't pay taxes
into such a wicked system.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 06:53:00 GMT

On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 05:48:35 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>Seamus, while I admire your persistence, you've obviously broken him.  He's 
>shorted out.  Wouldn't you have more fun with a more resilient toy?

Actually, I have more important things to do that Usenet posting. Such
as my writing and street activism. At this moment, I'm embroiled in
getting some dangerous folks evicted from my building. They deal speed
and heroin, AND they also have steady jobs. So much for your
upstanding, working stiff!

At least eight resident of my building have file official grievances,
and we now have an attorney. So I've been very busy processing my own
complaints against these skunks, assisting others in this process, and
providing moral support to a very nice lady who was threatened by said
culprits. Fortunately, I heard the screaming and ran downstairs to
witness, and show them I'm not afraid.

I want to thank you and your amigos for PROVING my surmisal that
pagans of all stripes can be just as homophobic, narrow minded and
BIGOTED as any Xian or Muslim zealot.

Thanks Goddess my world doesn't revolve around newsgroups, as yours
obviously does!


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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "K-ET" 
Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 07:48:51 GMT


"Chief Thracian"  skrev i meddelandet 
news:47ad472d.9832863@amsterdam.newsgroups-download.com...
> On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 05:48:35 -0600, Midwinter
>  wrote:
>
>
> Actually, I have more important things to do that Usenet posting. Such
> as my writing and street activism. At this moment, I'm embroiled in
> getting some dangerous folks evicted from my building. They deal speed
> and heroin, AND they also have steady jobs. So much for your
> upstanding, working stiff!
>
> At least eight resident of my building have file official grievances,
> and we now have an attorney. So I've been very busy processing my own
> complaints against these skunks, assisting others in this process, and
> providing moral support to a very nice lady who was threatened by said
> culprits. Fortunately, I heard the screaming and ran downstairs to
> witness, and show them I'm not afraid.
>
> -- 

I am glad to see there are still people around, in this world, who dare take 
a stand towards malicious actions and also dare stand up for their fellow 
humans without exception. IMHO, this is the core of shamanism.

... K-ET 



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 05:02:33 -0600

"K-ET"  said :

> I am glad to see there are still people around, in this world, who
> dare take a stand towards malicious actions and also dare stand up for
> their fellow humans without exception. IMHO, this is the core of
> shamanism. 

More importantly, it's the core of common human decency.

But before your admiration gets too deep, bear in mind we can all be heroes 
on Usenet.  There certainly are people - rare as they may be - who'd put 
their own safety aside to assist others.  If this really happened, then 
good on 'Chief', I say.  Now, if he were able to apply even a glimmer of 
that kind of selflessness here on Usenet, he might receive a warmer 
welcome.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "K-ET" 
Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 12:23:06 GMT


"Midwinter"  skrev i meddelandet 
news:nsSdnaKUQNnUFTDanZ2dnUVZ8sqjnZ2d@bt.com...
> "K-ET"  said :
>
>> I am glad to see there are still people around, in this world, who
>> dare take a stand towards malicious actions and also dare stand up for
>> their fellow humans without exception. IMHO, this is the core of
>> shamanism.
>
> More importantly, it's the core of common human decency.

Of course you are right. However, human decency have an ability to become 
attached to certain specific groups of humans, meaning that only those who 
belong to such groups are allowed to benefit the effect of decency.

> But before your admiration gets too deep, bear in mind we can all be 
> heroes
> on Usenet.
> There certainly are people - rare as they may be - who'd put
> their own safety aside to assist others.  If this really happened, then
> good on 'Chief', I say.

I would admire anyone, even my worst enemy, if that person showed courage 
enough to stand beside his/her fellowhuman in rough situations, i.e. the one 
"Chief" described.

>  Now, if he were able to apply even a glimmer of
> that kind of selflessness here on Usenet, he might receive a warmer
> welcome.

With this remark put in a general sense, I am more than willing to agree 
with you. IMO, your last remark above serves as a good description who we 
all should treat each other, regardless of personal agendas controlling our 
lives.

Well put and thank you ...
K-ET 



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:30:37 GMT

On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 05:02:33 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>But before your admiration gets too deep, bear in mind we can all be heroes 
>on Usenet.  There certainly are people - rare as they may be - who'd put 
>their own safety aside to assist others.  If this really happened, then 
>good on 'Chief', I say.  Now, if he were able to apply even a glimmer of 
>that kind of selflessness here on Usenet, he might receive a warmer 
>welcome.

Aren't you full of yourself. May a horse EAT you today.





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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:28:42 GMT

On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 07:48:51 GMT, "K-ET"  wrote:

>I am glad to see there are still people around, in this world, who dare take 
>a stand towards malicious actions and also dare stand up for their fellow 
>humans without exception. IMHO, this is the core of shamanism.

Wow, thank you K-ET! Your compliment arrived like one of Goddess's
good messengers. And being in the midst of chaos in a dark hour, how
much sweeter!

If my belief in a spirit world is worth ANY grain of salt, I must live
up to them! The path of joy ALSO mean that whenever a negative emotion
arises, find a way to divert this raw energy into a positive flow.

I am very HAPPY that my lonely war of 22 years has finally been taken
up by other good souls in my vicinity. I am no longer ALONE fighting
these goons, who've become VERY well coordinated and clever in these
last several years!

In fact, I discuss their cult-like aspect and all my adventures around
this, in my book "Friendly Ghost Detective Agency". Still a work in
progress, but already available for FREE (no strings attached), via my
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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "drachen" 
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:33:11 GMT

I'd like you to pick up a book called a little matter of genocide...

read it... then come back with your opinion... if you want conspiracy...

and I totally support the two spirited peoples...



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> As if AIDS weren't enough! I charge the government (and all associated
> minions) for using biological warfare on homosexuals, starting with
> HIV, and now this new, highly-contagious (skin-contact) strain of
> flesh-eating virus...or MRSA meaning "methicillin-resistant
> Staphylococcus aureus".
>
> This is nothing less than anti-gay biological warfare, and the use of
> homosexuals as a pool of human Guinea pigs.
>
> Check out the S.F. Chronicle's "gay flesh eating" map (which appeared
> on their front page, January 15):
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2xpgox
>
> The 94114 zip code (the Castro) is bright red...like a bull's eye.
> It's a blatant attack, both psychological and biological to terrorize
> and decimate our gay ranks. And they're not too covert about it. What
> does this map really suggest? "Gays are code red, same as Islamic
> terrorists!"
>
> Can you imagine restaurants, coffeehouses, shops and bars shutting
> down, 'cause tourists (and even SF denizens) fear exposure? And
> heteros shunning any physical proximity towards gays (forget about
> shaking hands)...and gays afraid of each other! See the homophobes
> strike back: our very own Kristallnacht. Shops all around the Castro
> boarded up, windows smashed, fires lit! Why stop with Gay Mecca's
> epicenter? Every queer-centric urban community will suffer extreme
> hostility. Boston, Los Angeles, Chicago, D.C., Seattle, Atlanta,
> Miami, Philadelphia, et cetera. (Why stop with the United States? No
> reason. There goes Amsterdam, Sydney, Guadalajara, Toronto, London,
> Cape Town, Paris, Hong Kong, et al. Good thing we're not an
> inter-galactic civilization at this juncture!)
>
> Just imagine what the radio shock jocks such as Michael Savage and
> Rush Limbaugh will have to say about this! And what about the churches
> this Sunday: what hateful poison will they spew from the pulpit, all
> across our sorry nation! (Let's not forget the Mosques, no friend
> they!) Believe you me, I'll be listening to the radio, scouring the
> newspapers and online reports to bring the pieces together into one
> Ugly Big Picture! (Before I'm rounded up myself by Neocon Brown Shirts
> or, more optimistically, find hidden sanctuary.)
>
> Outspoken queer activists will be very much a target of social
> scapegoating, and silenced in one way or another. (Possibly arrested
> and tried for treason, unless we can somehow access a sort of Gay
> Underground Railroad!) Censorship of all things gay! Verboten to wear
> a pink triangle, and anything else deemed homosexual. (There go the
> lavender handbags, gentlemen!) Males will fear walking the streets
> without a female on their arm. (Poor ladies, how we guys use you, both
> straight and gay!)
>
> I don't think I'm being alarmist at all, but this STINKS of an
> outright attack upon our community, via media/gov't/medical
> manipulation.
>
> Gays THIRTEEN times more likely to catch this virus? A suspicious
> number indeed...like they're laughing in our faces, believing there's
> nothing we can do about it. Why not twelve or eight or four or fifteen
> times as likely? May as well claim we're 666 times as likely! It's
> like: they want to be blatant but not that blatant. No, not quite yet,
> but once society starts rounding up queers for isolation, Then all
> bets will be off, beyond blatant...it will be outright persecution!
>
> Can you say "holocaust?" We gays will very soon be regarded as
> dangerous vessels of fatal disease, thus isolated in ghetto-type
> concentration camps. San Francisco, Gay Mecca, the epicenter? Don't
> they really mean "Bull's eye"? What This Cult is doing, is playing
> into majority belief that gays are intrinsically filthy, and it's time
> to put the kibosh on our brazen dare to demand equal rights.
>
> Just like when it seemed full steam ahead for our rights in the early
> 70's, a mysterious virus (and consequent resurgence of homophobic
> vitriol) blocked our movement in a halting screech. Now, some 25 years
> later (of much struggling and grief borne, I might add) we've won some
> gay marriage/partnership rights in various states, and other political
> inroads and...whaddya know...ANOTHER even MORE virulent and contagious
> virus crashes the party!
>
> AND Al-Qaeda has officially declared a jihad on all gay politicos,
> starting with the gay Mayor of Paris.
>
> These are NOT coincidences, Queer Reader. This is a trans-national
> sabotage of gays by the global power elite. Holocaust II is on! I'm
> just one of the first to see the big picture. I've always been ahead
> of the times, labeled "paranoid" by elite types in order to obfuscate
> my insightful conclusions, and those of other concerned gay activists
> (albeit a handful).
>
> I am full aware that contemporary governments and cults employ
> biological weapons in their arsenal of terror. (Gee, isn't that how we
> founded our nation, with small-pox blankets gifted to the natives? The
> great Amerikan tradition lives on!) And when pushed against the wall
> (as homosexuals seem thus threatened), just how do you think some of
> us will react, out of desperate crisis?
>
> Why, we'll retaliate. Turning the same biological weapons used upon us
> (HIV and MRSA) by our enemies against our enemies. And just who is the
> enemy? Anyone who professes the terror and death of non-heteros...duh!
> Granted, many of our spineless queer brethren (and sistren) will
> obligingly march to their doom...either to biological research centers
> for experimentation, or (if already a bare husk of mortality thanks to
> medical sabotage) to death camps.
>
> But what about the brave handful of spirited queers who refuse to go
> down without a fight? Do you really think some of us will not
> retaliate with biological force? Of course, there's always the
> ubiquitous gun. But firearms will not invite seduction of our enemies,
> where we can get really close to them and infect them with the very
> same microbes they gleefully injected into us!
>
> In the wee hours while the enemy is sound asleep and murmuring
> contented snorts (after giving him the best fuck in his life), we'll
> quietly slip out of bed, put on our latex gloves, and tenderly
> administer the invisible agent (in dessicated form, most likely) to
> his exposed, livid flesh. Then silently slip away, like the proverbial
> thief in the night.
>
> Hearken! I am neither professing such a horrid form of counterattack,
> nor intend to carry it out myself. For we'd then be no better than our
> enemies, correct? (I could be wrong here, just playing Angel's
> Advocate. After all, it was a noble thing for the Allied Resistance to
> blow up Nazi trains and their centers of power, don't you agree?) But
> I am being honest here, knowing the nature of, er, human nature. For
> it is always the case (as history proves time and time again) that a
> handful of a severely threatened minority will respond with violent
> and terrorist strategies, to their perceived oppressor. For they have
> nothing to lose; death is a mere trifle at that point (no more
> nuisance than a pimple on one's butt).
>
> Sinqueerly yours,
>
> Zeke Krahlin
>
>
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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:34:31 GMT

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:33:11 GMT, "drachen"  wrote:

>I'd like you to pick up a book called a little matter of genocide...
>read it... then come back with your opinion... if you want conspiracy...
>and I totally support the two spirited peoples...

Thank you drachen, I will do just that! Prolly order a used copy from
Amazon.com. Here is, for under $8:

"A Little Matter of Genocide: Holocaust and Denial in the Americas,
1492 to the Present by Ward Churchill".

Wow, you showed up LATE to the party. Good think I checked this thread
one more time, after posting my intended-to-be-final message last
night.

I am a student of Native American culture, and am well informed.
Please enjoy one of my tales that honors those blessed with two
spirits.


MY BEST FRIEND YOTE
(a parable for the 21st century)

by 
Ezekiel J. Krahlin


Coyote the Trickster is such a talented joke writer, that he even
publishes big books of his silly meanderings. A few years ago, he
presented me his then-latest collection:

1,001 Skull-F*cking Jokes
by
Coyote T. Trickster


Each was a gut-busting hee-haw, from the very first morsel to the very
last. And...if you read them in order, the next joke is always a
teensy bit funnier than the previous. Read them out of order, and it
doesn't work that way: some are funnier, some NOT as funny...while the
largest portion are EQUALLY funny. Why? I really don't know; that's
Coyote's special magic to which even I, his very best friend, am not
privy.

But I digress. Several new moons after showing me that book, Coyote
returned with a NEW collection, this one titled:


1,001 Skull-F*cking Jokes (Volume II)
by
Coyote T. Trickster


And I exclaimed: "Coy, you need to get off this skull-f*cking shtick.
C'mon, you're a very smart coyote...surely you can come up with an
entirely NEW theme."

Coyote stared at me blankly, indicating I would need to cease this
soft-heartedness with my friend, and display some good old-fashioned
shit-kicking sarcasm. So I added (after a little deliberation):

"May these Happy Hunting Grounds wither and turn to squirrel dung and
get blown away into the four corners of the world, before I ever lay
eyes on a book entitled:

1,001 Skull-F*cking Jokes (Volume III)
by
Coyote T. Trickster

Do you get my drift, dear brother?"

"I certainly DO, Little Pony" (that's my Lakota name) said Coyote,
raising a paw in thought, to his forehead, "Why, I'll come up with a
whole NEW theme, and show you the first joke I write. Let me go now
and compose the very first part of my next opus. I'll be seeing  you
again real soon, little bro'."

"Lookin' forward to your next joke, 'Yote!" I waved au revoir as he
scampered down our village path to his own little teepee seven
stations down the A-line, and four down the D (or take the C-2 if
you're not in a hurry and would enjoy a rustic view out your window).

Well, the new moon came and went without Coyote showing up. Indeed, it
wasn't before FIVE new moons had come and gone, that he finally
returned, so excited he could barely speak.

"When you finally catch your breath, silly brother," I commented,
trying to hide my curiosity as best as possible, "tell me why it took
you so long to compose one lousy joke."

"Little Pony, Little Pony! Here it is: the first joke and so much
more!" Coyote hopped about my kitchen, knocking over teapot, peacepipe
and stash. "In fact, I DID write joke numero-uno within scarce MINUTES
of our last parting. But I got so excited with that one, I just HAD to
write a dozen more--you know, like a baker's dozen--as by now I REALLY
wanted to please you. Well, a dozen led to ANOTHER dozen, and then to
a DOZEN dozen, and... voila! My latest book, brother! You will be SO
very proud of me; check this out!"

And so I was handed a tome so heavy, it almost dropped from my hands
when I received it from Coy's trembling paws. I set it on my lap and
looked down at the book, and its title:

1,001 Brain-F*cking Jokes
by
Coyote T. Trickster

--finis (Blessed by the Great Spirit who gave me this tale, and many
more.)

--------------------------------------------------------------
Permission granted by author for anyone to distribute this
writing free of charge (including translation into any
language)...under condition that no profit is made therefrom,
and that it remain intact and complete, including title and 
credit to the original author.

Ezekiel J. Krahlin
http://www.gay-bible.org
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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: "drachen" 
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:50:43 GMT

thats interesting...

no... really... if you are studying native american issues, what is your 
views on the variations of cyote?

but the conspiracy thing?...

did you get it?

or no?

tansi kisikow

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> On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:33:11 GMT, "drachen"  wrote:
>
>>I'd like you to pick up a book called a little matter of genocide...
>>read it... then come back with your opinion... if you want conspiracy...
>>and I totally support the two spirited peoples...
>
> Thank you drachen, I will do just that! Prolly order a used copy from
> Amazon.com. Here is, for under $8:
>
> "A Little Matter of Genocide: Holocaust and Denial in the Americas,
> 1492 to the Present by Ward Churchill".
>
> Wow, you showed up LATE to the party. Good think I checked this thread
> one more time, after posting my intended-to-be-final message last
> night.
>
> I am a student of Native American culture, and am well informed.
> Please enjoy one of my tales that honors those blessed with two
> spirits.
>
>
> MY BEST FRIEND YOTE
> (a parable for the 21st century)
>
> by
> Ezekiel J. Krahlin
>
>
> Coyote the Trickster is such a talented joke writer, that he even
> publishes big books of his silly meanderings. A few years ago, he
> presented me his then-latest collection:
>
> 1,001 Skull-F*cking Jokes
> by
> Coyote T. Trickster
>
>
> Each was a gut-busting hee-haw, from the very first morsel to the very
> last. And...if you read them in order, the next joke is always a
> teensy bit funnier than the previous. Read them out of order, and it
> doesn't work that way: some are funnier, some NOT as funny...while the
> largest portion are EQUALLY funny. Why? I really don't know; that's
> Coyote's special magic to which even I, his very best friend, am not
> privy.
>
> But I digress. Several new moons after showing me that book, Coyote
> returned with a NEW collection, this one titled:
>
>
> 1,001 Skull-F*cking Jokes (Volume II)
> by
> Coyote T. Trickster
>
>
> And I exclaimed: "Coy, you need to get off this skull-f*cking shtick.
> C'mon, you're a very smart coyote...surely you can come up with an
> entirely NEW theme."
>
> Coyote stared at me blankly, indicating I would need to cease this
> soft-heartedness with my friend, and display some good old-fashioned
> shit-kicking sarcasm. So I added (after a little deliberation):
>
> "May these Happy Hunting Grounds wither and turn to squirrel dung and
> get blown away into the four corners of the world, before I ever lay
> eyes on a book entitled:
>
> 1,001 Skull-F*cking Jokes (Volume III)
> by
> Coyote T. Trickster
>
> Do you get my drift, dear brother?"
>
> "I certainly DO, Little Pony" (that's my Lakota name) said Coyote,
> raising a paw in thought, to his forehead, "Why, I'll come up with a
> whole NEW theme, and show you the first joke I write. Let me go now
> and compose the very first part of my next opus. I'll be seeing  you
> again real soon, little bro'."
>
> "Lookin' forward to your next joke, 'Yote!" I waved au revoir as he
> scampered down our village path to his own little teepee seven
> stations down the A-line, and four down the D (or take the C-2 if
> you're not in a hurry and would enjoy a rustic view out your window).
>
> Well, the new moon came and went without Coyote showing up. Indeed, it
> wasn't before FIVE new moons had come and gone, that he finally
> returned, so excited he could barely speak.
>
> "When you finally catch your breath, silly brother," I commented,
> trying to hide my curiosity as best as possible, "tell me why it took
> you so long to compose one lousy joke."
>
> "Little Pony, Little Pony! Here it is: the first joke and so much
> more!" Coyote hopped about my kitchen, knocking over teapot, peacepipe
> and stash. "In fact, I DID write joke numero-uno within scarce MINUTES
> of our last parting. But I got so excited with that one, I just HAD to
> write a dozen more--you know, like a baker's dozen--as by now I REALLY
> wanted to please you. Well, a dozen led to ANOTHER dozen, and then to
> a DOZEN dozen, and... voila! My latest book, brother! You will be SO
> very proud of me; check this out!"
>
> And so I was handed a tome so heavy, it almost dropped from my hands
> when I received it from Coy's trembling paws. I set it on my lap and
> looked down at the book, and its title:
>
> 1,001 Brain-F*cking Jokes
> by
> Coyote T. Trickster
>
> --finis (Blessed by the Great Spirit who gave me this tale, and many
> more.)
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> Permission granted by author for anyone to distribute this
> writing free of charge (including translation into any
> language)...under condition that no profit is made therefrom,
> and that it remain intact and complete, including title and
> credit to the original author.
>
> Ezekiel J. Krahlin
> http://www.gay-bible.org
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 06:52:48 GMT

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:50:43 GMT, "drachen"  wrote:

>thats interesting...

Thanks!

>no... really... if you are studying native american issues, 

I majored in cultural anthropology at Univ. of Missouri in Columbia.
MANY moons ago (senior year, 1971). I focused on Native American
people, from the Bering Strait all the way down to the Tierra del
Fuego.

Since then, I remain a student and respecter of Native America. Not a
native myself, my heritage is totally European. I'm just one of the
lucky ones to fall into the arms of my New World brothers.

There is ANOTHER two-spirited tale I wrote, which I believe you'll
enjoy:

Grandfather & Grandson
http://www.gay-bible.org/write/2_grand.htm


>what is your views on the variations of cyote?

Being the superb trickster he is, I'm not at all surprised that he'd
insinuate his delightful presence in a variety of ways, in myriad
tribes.

Of course, study a people's folk tales, you learn their hearts and
minds. Coyote is MOST important in this matter.

>but the conspiracy thing?...
>
>did you get it?
>
>or no?

Indeed. I think you have yet to view my SECOND message to you (this is
third), in which I acknowledged the conspiracy connection, which you
had hoped I'd realize.

>tansi kisikow

Regrettably, I have no Native American language skills. My sincerest
apologies! Though no doubt "tansi kisikow" is a phrase of goodwill.

Tansi kisikow, drachen!



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:59:12 GMT

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:33:11 GMT, "drachen"  wrote:

>I'd like you to pick up a book called a little matter of genocide...

Oh, I should acknowledge that the genocide of American Natives is an
example of a REAL conspiracy.

It is my belief that two-spirited folks have a sacred mission for
their tribes, which includes experienced persecution so as to divert
further misery that their people may suffer. 

The most TERRIBLE manifestation of this persecution, is to be hated by
your own tribe and family, thanks to homophobia. It takes a SPECIAL
spirit to live with such horror, and STILL strive on to become the
best you can.

Thank you again, drachen.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 04:13:29 -0600

chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :

>>I'd like you to pick up a book called a little matter of genocide...
> 
> Oh, I should acknowledge that the genocide of American Natives is an
> example of a REAL conspiracy.

It's a sight closer to the definition than what you've been parading around 
for the last few days.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:11:04 GMT

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 04:13:29 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>It's a sight closer to the definition than what you've been parading around 
>for the last few days.

Only because I was addressing a microcosm. Unlike such a GENERAL
statement, which is macrocosmic in scope. The overall, broadsweeping
cultural brainwashing against gays (and Native Americans, etc.) can
and DOES result in local forms of oppression and death...which are
then EXCUSED by the local powers that be.

Such as the microcosmic example of spreading smallpox via the "gift"
of blankets. I'm sure any Indian that pointed this out would be
accused by their white "neighbors", would be labelled paranoid.

Macrocosm translates into various and sundy microcosms. ANY
macrocosmic prejudice results in very REAL and personal (microcosmic)
antagonism towards individuals in a targeted group.

Another example outside of the homosexual sphere: The Tuskegee
Experiments, where black folks with syphilis were not told of their
infection, or given treatment. They were INTENTIONALLY used as Guinea
pigs. Of course, any blacks who discovered this ugly scenario, would
be labeled paranoid and delusional.

The macrocosmic prejudice against blacks infested ALL of American
culture, and leads to a wide variety of microcosmic tragedies.

Conspiracies all. TRUE conspiracies.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: Midwinter 
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:33:51 -0600

chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :

>>It's a sight closer to the definition than what you've been parading
>>around for the last few days.
> 
> Only because I was addressing a microcosm. Unlike such a GENERAL
> statement, which is macrocosmic in scope. The overall, broadsweeping
> cultural brainwashing against gays (and Native Americans, etc.) can
> and DOES result in local forms of oppression and death...which are
> then EXCUSED by the local powers that be.

But you still have no evidence that this is occurring as a result of the 
data presented by these researchers.  You have *perceived* their data as 
being anti-gay, but there's nothing to suggest - objectively - that that 
was the motivation.  That's your presumption based on your keen desire to 
combat anti-gay prejudice.  In order to combat anti-gay prejudice you 
have to find some to combat.

And let's face it, laying into a newspaper report on Usenet and 
squabbling with people you know and care nothing about is far easier than 
actually getting out of your chair and doing some real, informed 
campaigning, isn't it?


> The macrocosmic prejudice against blacks infested ALL of American
> culture, and leads to a wide variety of microcosmic tragedies.
> 
> Conspiracies all. TRUE conspiracies.

There are indeed true conspiracies.  There may even be anti-gay 
conspiracies.  No - strike that: there ARE anti-gay conspiracies.  But 
there's no good reason yet - notwithstanding the claims you've made about 
the articles you've presented - to assume that these preliminary 
scientific findings were part of one.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 06:45:14 GMT

On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:33:51 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>But you still have no evidence that this is occurring as a result of the 
>data presented by these researchers. 

Yes I do. I posted the articles to this thread, including where the
researches and other sources APOLOGIZED.

>You have *perceived* their data as 
>being anti-gay, but there's nothing to suggest - objectively - that that 
>was the motivation.

Oh yes there was. Our society is STILL largely homophobic, so there
are opportunists who take advantage of this.

>That's your presumption based on your keen desire to 
>combat anti-gay prejudice.  In order to combat anti-gay prejudice you 
>have to find some to combat.

Nonsense. I NEVER have to go out of my way to find combat. It SHOVES
itself right in front of me, with considerable frequency. Such as
walking down the street to see the SF Chronicle's front page depicting
the Castro as a BRIGHT RED MAP. Fear tactics and disinformation all
the way!

>And let's face it, laying into a newspaper report on Usenet and 
>squabbling with people you know and care nothing about is far easier than 
>actually getting out of your chair and doing some real, informed 
>campaigning, isn't it?

Nope. It is IMPORTANT to broadcast my viewpoints in a widely
circulated medium. That's how I campaing. You obviously are working
overtime to DISCOURAGE my presence on the Internet. You will never
succeed, breeder weed! I've been up against far more clever and
INTELLIGENT posters than you and your ilk! Besides, the Internet is
but one important component of my activism. I'm also on the streets,
talking with and befriending my homeless gay brothers. THAT is no easy
mission, due to so MANY street folks being homophobic, thus HATING my
outspoken presence. I've been attacked and bashed several times these
last five years, as a result of my attempts to make the streets safer
for gays.

I ALSO compose numerous pro-gay tales, laters, and poetry to INSPIRE
my gay community. Which includes letters to the editor. My writings
(my  PASSIONATE prose, or as you say "emotional") have fomented
numerous pro-gay movements around the world. Thanks TO the Internet
becoming the most extensive and inexpensive venue for most anyone to
communicate his ideas around the globe!

This FREES me from the restrictions of local petty queer politics,
which leaders have SUPPRESSED and OPPOSED all my contributions, while
taking my ideas to claim them for their own.

>There may even be anti-gay 
>conspiracies.  No - strike that: there ARE anti-gay conspiracies.  But 
>there's no good reason yet - notwithstanding the claims you've made about 
>the articles you've presented - to assume that these preliminary 
>scientific findings were part of one.

There IS good reason. You do not possess the insight from years of
devotion and study and activism that I have, regarding gay rights and
homophobia. You have NO good reason to oppose me so ADAMANTLY.
Question me, yes. Intense opposition? Absurd! Unless, of course, you
get your rocks off insulting and trivializing the gay plight.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 05:36:27 GMT

UPDATE 3

From the S.F. Bay Area Reporter issue dated January 31, 2007, letters
to the editor:

http://www.ebar.com/openforum/opforum.php?sec=letters

Staph research paper flawed

The ill-advised use of the term "general population" in press releases
and public statements isn't the only thing UCSF researchers have to
apologize for in the way they promulgated their latest study on MRSA
in men who have sex with men ["UCSF apologizes for MRSA release,"
January 24]. While the unembellished finding – that antibiotic
resistance has increased among men who have sex with men in San
Francisco and Boston – is important, the authors drew conclusions in
their published academic paper that are not supported at all by data,
and are based on hateful stereotypes of gay men. For example, the
authors speculate at length about anal sex practice – with no actual
evidence that it is associated with transmission – and offer the
completely unsubstantiated claim that the organism started in San
Francisco and spread to Boston by the "frequent bicoastal travel of
men who have sex with men." The latter is an argument in which both
the premise and the conclusion are breathtaking in their lack of
evidence, and the appearance that they are driven by pure homophobic
stereotyping. The fact that the Annals of Internal Medicine did not
send the paper's wildly speculative discussion section back to be
re-written, is evidence of the deep-seated homophobia that pervades
even journals as well-respected as the Annals. In medicine today, one
can say nearly any inflammatory thing about gay men, and nearly
everyone will accept it without question. I knew medicine was
homophobic when I started medical school 15 years ago. I still never
fail to be astonished.

The facts are these: no one knows where this came from. It is not
likely to cause disease in most people who have it. Simple cleanliness
– not "scrubbing" as some have suggested, which breaks the skin, but
simple daily use of a gentle non-antibacterial soap and water – will
protect most of us. Antibiotics still work for the unfortunate few who
get severe infections – and by severe, I mean heart, lung, blood,
bone, and rapidly spreading soft-tissue infections. Most abscess need
to be drained surgically and left to heal without antibiotics. There
is no evidence that the resistant organism causes worse disease than
non-resistant disease.

We need further research to find out what specific behavioral changes
can help stop transmission within our community. Stimulant use springs
to mind as the elephant in the room. In my own practice anecdotally,
and those of my colleagues, it seems MRSA causes the worst problems in
speed users, regardless of route of administration (injecting,
smoking, snorting, booty-bumping). Research on ways to prevent
transmission and infection in speed users is urgent and critical.

The packaging of this article from the outset seems to have been
designed to make a name for a young researcher, and not to promote
public health. The consequence of creating panic and scapegoats seems
not to have given the authors a moment's pause. The authors need to
apologize for this fundamental failing, and not just for one telling
phrase.

Paul Quick, M.D.
San Francisco

--end of letter


Dr. Quick basically made the SAME points I have. Bringing to readers
attention his statement:

"In medicine today, one can say nearly any inflammatory thing about
gay men, and nearly everyone will accept it without question."

I'd like to embellish upon this, and say that the SAME holds true even
among our liberal, pagan, and alternative communities. My bringing up
gay issues in newsgroups of these communities, has PROVEN time and
again, the veracity of my claim.

In fact, let THIS thread serve as yet one MORE affirmation of my
conclusion: that  homophobia is ALIVE and WELL in our pagan/shaman
communities. Stop blaming Xians as the SOLE cause of anti-gay
propaganda!






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From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 04:40:53 GMT

UPDATE 4

San Francisco Bay Area Reporter, Feb. 7
http://www.ebar.com/news/article.php?sec=news&article=2680

MRSA media fiasco spawns activist group

by Seth Hemmelgarn

s.hemmelgarn@ebar.com

In the wake of recent coverage of multi-drug-resistant staph infection
in men who have sex with men, a new group is forming in San Francisco.
The group – which hasn't been named yet – hopes to deal with the
stigma around drug-resistant staph, as well as educate and encourage
communication among community members, journalists, doctors,
researchers, and health department officials.

The group's formation is a result of media coverage and a news release
last month touting a study at the University of California, San
Francisco. That study said that men who have sex with men are more
likely to become infected with USA300, a strain of
methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus or MRSA. But statements in
the UCSF news release fanned the flames of homophobia. In the press
release lead researcher Binh An Diep said that they are concerned
"about a potential spread of this strain into the general population."
Drug-resistant staph is already in the general population, and the
tone of the news release angered many activists.

Mainstream media organizations latched on to the research and played
up the gay angle, upsetting many in the community, who said they were
reminded of the days when AIDS was portrayed as a "gay disease." They
pointed out that MRSA has appeared for years in other communities, and
questioned why gay men were singled out in the research.

UCSF later issued an apology on its Web site after being contacted by
activist Michael Petrelis, and revised the news release. But by then,
mainstream media outlets had already published their articles.

The UCSF information also included a map showing a high concentration
of multiple-drug resistant USA300 in the Castro.

By tracking studies, asking lots of questions, and developing
relationships with people like journalists and researchers, the new
group hopes to prevent situations similar to what happened last month.

They also plan to address issues besides MRSA – such as HIV, access to
health care, and other concerns. Ten people attended the first
meeting, which was held in a Stop AIDS Project conference room Monday,
February 4.

Dr. Richard Loftus, of the Health Management Institute Inc. at the
California Pacific Medical Center, Davis Campus, said he's seen
patients with MRSA for years. At a MRSA forum co-sponsored by the Stop
AIDS Project, the San Francisco AIDS Foundation, and others January
30, Loftus decried a lack of community activism around MRSA and other
issues, and welcomed others to start the group with him to address the
problems.

The forum, which drew about 100 health care workers and other
community members to the San Francisco LGBT Community Center, featured
representatives from UCSF, the city's public health department, and
Loftus.

Dr. Henry Chambers, one of the university researchers responsible for
the study, explained the research at the forum. Afterward, he told the
Bay Area Reporter that he hadn't intended to stigmatize anybody. He
said the potential impact of the research "didn't dawn on me."

Others discussed how MRSA is spread and what it looks like. They also
described steps the city's taking to keep people informed, such as
enhancing Internet sites. During a question-and-answer period, many in
the audience had questions related to hygiene. Panelists responded
that preventing staph infection can be as easy as washing your hands
thoroughly.

Loftus and others feel a lack of activism is at least partially to
blame for the MRSA coverage. They also blamed journalists' tendency
toward sensationalism.

"We've always been a hell-raising city, and I'd like to see that keep
going," Loftus said at Monday's meeting.

At the meeting, attendees recalled the heyday of groups like ACT UP,
when activists worked to ensure AIDS was covered accurately in the
media, and that people living with AIDS got the help they needed. ACT
UP also targeted the federal Food and Drug Administration to get it to
approve drugs quicker, and has battled the drug companies over pricing
issues.

Michael Scarce, Stop AIDS Project's Internet intervention coordinator,
said that the information went from doctors to journalists "like a
game of telephone." Scarce attended Monday's meeting not as a
representative of the Stop AIDS Project, but as a community activist.

The UCSF research was published in the Annals of Internal Medicine.
Since then, the university has apologized for aspects of the way the
research was presented, and officials have said community
participation will be solicited in the future.

The activist group is working on a letter to demand an apology from
the San Francisco Chronicle, which ran an article on the research with
the headline "S.F. gay community an epicenter for new strain of
virulent staph." They also want an apology from reporter Sabin
Russell, who wrote the Chronicle story. The draft letter states the
reporter insinuated, "MRSA was spreading due to gay men's sexual
activities." Russell did not respond to an e-mail request for comment.

At the meeting, group members discussed several things they could do,
including starting a support group for people with MRSA, creating a
YouTube video to help educate the community, and creating a public
directory of research that's under way in order to encourage community
participation.

They also talked about encouraging doctors to "think outside the box"
when treating MRSA, and asking lots of questions of people like
researchers and public health officials.

The group's next meeting will be at 7:30 p.m., Monday, February 11 at
the Stop AIDS Project office at 2128 15th Street.

For more information, e-mail rickloftus@yahoo.com or visit
www.stopaids.org.


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Subject: Under Attack 2
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:44:39 GMT

Hey you friggin' pinheads (midwhiner, scarjism, root, et al), you
buried your own hole, now jump in. Written by someone whom I've never
met, nor heard of before this:

Mainstream media blow it -- again
http://www.ebar.com/openforum/opforum.php?sec=letters

Once again gay men are depicted as a problem. Sabin Russell's January
15 article in the San Francisco Chronicle  "Lethal new bacteria --
S.F. an epicenter" admits to a general lack of scientific knowledge.
Russell states that MRSA might be sexually transmitted. Well, duh,
it's spread via skin-skin or skin-surface contact, and that would
include sexual contact as well as contact with, oh say, infected
doorknobs. And yet, Russell feels there's enough evidence to point an
accusatory and sensationalistic finger (the middle one, I suspect) at
SF's gay community. Gee, that's new. Unfortunately, Russell
selectively manages to leave out the extremely high incidence of
infections from elementary and high school gyms and locker rooms.

So SF's gay community is the "epicenter"? What colorful gay-phobic
imagery, definitely more appropriate for the front page of the
Enquirer. Russell provides some statistics re: the denizens of the
94114 Zip code, which just so happens to be in close proximity to SF
General Hospital, therefore a natural place to turn for medical
assistance and exposure. Yet the Zip code 94114 also includes the
predominantly non-gay Noe Valley. And anyone notice all the straight
folks (and baby strollers, etc.) in the Castro? It ain't just gay.

And note that these gay-phobic "facts" are based solely on
epidemiology – the same methodology that "proved" poppers cause AIDS.
But wait, it doesn't.

Does SF General Hospital have any responsibility for the development
and spread of MRSA? SF General admits they've known it's a problem
since 2001, and they've neither cleared out the problem nor stopped
infecting their patients. Why doesn't Russell point that lurid finger
in their direction? Or is it easier to blame the victims whose trust
was violated when they were exposed to this staph bacteria while
seeking medical care?

Also note, doctors claim that by simply cleaning up with soap and
water, you can minimize catching MRSA. Too bad the health department
closed the bathhouses, where people could easily shower after sex. And
anyone notice how the closure did not stop the spread of AIDS?

Buried at the end of the article is the admission that the key factor
might be over-use of antibiotics (a factor not limited to gays living
in the 94114 Zip code), which is probably the fault of an
over-prescribing medical community.

But, hey, when in doubt, blame the fags.

Tom W. Kelly
San Francisco

--end of article

Contrast THIS letter with your own crude words, and what does this
make you look like? A HOMOPHOBE. Jerkwad breeders.

WAIT, I'm not finished. Don't leave this thread yet. Don't I DESERVE
the sheer pleasure of rubbing your own breeder-polluted feces in your
own butt-ugly hetero mugs? (Don't worry, my friends, I'm wearing
osmosis-proof disposable gloves. I won't catch ANY breeder infection.
I also have their MOUTHS gagged, so they can't SPIT any of their
contagious hetero VENOM in my direction.)

There's also THIS news article:

UCSF apologizes for MRSA release
http://www.ebar.com/news/article.php?sec=news&article=2636

Too long to post in its entirety here, but I want to include these
excerpt:

--begin excerpts:

Binh An Diep, 29, the post-doctoral researcher who was the lead author
of the paper, expressed his "regret having made the statement
regarding a potential spread of the new multi-drug-resistant strain of
USA300 into the 'general population.' I deeply apologize for this
offensive jargon as men who have sex with men are part of the general
population," he wrote in an e-mail exchange with a reporter....

Because of its location and the fact that it was first out of the
gate, the Chronicle story set the tone for much of the subsequent
media coverage. The widely distributed Associated Press story was
basically a rewrite of the Chronicle  article.

The New York Times article led with a sensationalist focus on the
"flesh-eating" potential for the MRSA strain and its spread "most
easily through anal intercourse."

--end excerpts

I end by quoting Midwhiner's rude remark to me (one among many):

>discounting your hypersensitivity

Right, my justified OUTRAGE is simply "hypersensitivity".

Oh, and this one too:

>"Pay attention: *I* have never heard anyone suggest 
>that the spread of MRSA is anything at all to do with sexuality."

No, breeder loser, YOU pay attention. The reason YOU claim to have not
heard anyone suggest this, is because you INTENTIONALLY sabotage gay
activists. I won't go so far as to accuse you of being a PLANT for the
religious right...as there are so MANY homophobe-Nazis all too EAGER
to bash and lambast us queers voluntarily, who needs to organize 'em!

Pay attention: STOP deriding and trivializing gay activists like
myself. WE KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING. You have shown your TRUE colors: as
intentional SABOTEUR of gay rights, wherever and whenever you get the
chance.

NO ONE who is NOT out of the closet homosexual, has ANY right to have
the last word on the matter of GAY rights. Not the least of which is
your SMARMY, DISEASE-RIDDEN self, Midwhiner.









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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 03:29:20 GMT

There's ALSO this by columnist Chris Crain (I emphasize by rubbing
your scat in your breeder mugs, Midwhiner, scarjism, coot, et al):

Deja AIDS All Over Again
http://www.sfbaytimes.com/index.php?sec=article&article_id=7396

--quote:

"FLESH EATING SUPER BUG SPREADS AMONG GAYS"
That headline and variations of it appeared around the world this past
week as the mainstream media went into panic overdrive in response to
research showing gay men in San Francisco and several other urban
areas were at a higher risk of infection from a drug-resistant form of
staph infection.

--end quote

PAY ATTENTION, homopobes: "That headline and variations of it APPEARED
AROUND THE WORLD". Ergo, all YOU'VE done, Midwhiner, is show to all
the Usenet world, what a gay-hating IGNORMAUS breeder you are. Ha, ha.
ROTFLMAO.

And since you're from England, Midwhiner, you MIGHT try to excuse your
ignorance by claiming no such homophobic article appearing in any
British journal that you know of. So I now quote from that same
article:

"One London tabloid even dubbed MRSA 'the new HIV.'"

Crain is a gay columnist BTW, who was recently bashed to within an
INCH of his life in formerly gay-friendly Holland, thanks to hetero
ignoramuses who like YOU dipwads, who don't give a FUCK about gay
people, instead constantly DERIDE and TRIVIIALIZE our paiticipation in
public forums. (And wilfully IGNORE our plight, while FEIGNING
gay-friendliness.) Read about his bashing here:

The science of anti-gay hate
http://citizenchris.typepad.com/citizenchris/2007/12/the-science-of.html



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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:51:04 -0700

Higher risk means just that - not that gays are being targetted by some
covertly-clandestine-occulted-secret 'gov-mint' lab, you Epsilon semi-moron.
Although, the scarjism thing was a small chuckle - kind of like you are.
Reveals your bias against heteros; as does quite a bit of what you rant
about.

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:

> There's ALSO this by columnist Chris Crain (I emphasize by rubbing
> your scat in your breeder mugs, Midwhiner, scarjism, coot, et al):
>
> Deja AIDS All Over Again
> http://www.sfbaytimes.com/index.php?sec=article&article_id=7396
>
>
> " ... gay men in San Francisco and several other urban
> areas were at a higher risk ... "



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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 21:46:14 GMT

On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:51:04 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>Reveals your bias against heteros; as does quite a bit of what you rant
>about.

I don't HIDE my bias, you breeder nincompoop! MOST heteros are
gay-bashers/homophobes, therefore I despise MOST breeders. ACCUSING me
of trying to HIDE my righteous "bias" (when in fact I BRAG about it)
is the strategy of a DIMWIT.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 13:24:29 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> >Reveals your bias against heteros; as does quite a bit of what you rant
> >about.
>
> I don't HIDE my bias

You can't.

> MOST heteros are
> gay-bashers/homophobes, therefore I despise MOST breeders.
>

Your use of the word 'breeder' is funny as hel, since the process involved
is what results in hetero and homosexuals in the first place.  Unless you
were decanted from test tubes in some secret gov-mint lab, of course.




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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: "the_virtuouspagan@yahoo.com" 
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:59:15 -0800 (PST)

On Jan 30, 3:02=A0pm, Nevermore  wrote:
> In <09c67e65-fabf-4821-8866-690ad6bfb...@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com>
>
>
>
>
>
> elizabeth =A0wrote:
> > From: elizabeth 
> > Newsgroups: alt.religion.shamanism, alt.religion.wicca, alt.religion.
> > druid, alt.pagan Subject: Re: Under Attack 2 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:
> > 56:23 -0800 (PST) Organization:http://groups.google.com
>
> > On Jan 25, 1:46=3DA0pm, chief_thracia...@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
> > wrote:
> >> On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:51:04 -0700, "sarchasm" 
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >Reveals your bias against heteros; as does quite a bit of what you
> >> >rant about.
>
> >> I don't HIDE my bias, you breeder nincompoop! MOST heteros are
> >> gay-bashers/homophobes, therefore I despise MOST breeders.
>
> > So do tell, what do you think of Queer Quislings like Bevan Dufty, who
> > pushes "family values" in the Castro, wants to make SF just like any
> > other BreederCity, encourages the 'gaybee boom" . .. as if most of us,
> > gay, straight or whatever, came to SF to get away from that
> > bullshit?
>
> > You think you get put down by breeders? =A0Try being a straight female
> > who doesn't want to get married or breed!
>
> Yes, but that only counts if you're also hot!

that must be why your mother shat you out, she was about as hot as a
penguin's titty.

>
>
> >> ACCUSING me
> >> of trying to HIDE my righteous "bias" (when in fact I BRAG about it)
> >> is the strategy of a DIMWIT.
>
> > Sadly, there are gay dimwits out there as well. =A0There are sell out
> > whores in every group.
>
> Part of the price of asking everyone to look past whatever it was that
> excluded you from the mainstream

Only sheep want to be in the mainstream.

> in the first place in order to
> appreciate the "real" you is that - once we do - the real you might be
> as much or more of an irritant as any other parking garage attendant

Is that what your mother says your daddy did?

But how would she know which john knocked her up?

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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 22:34:35 GMT

On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:51:04 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>Higher risk means just that - not that gays are being targetted by some
>covertly-clandestine-occulted-secret 'gov-mint' lab, 

YOU know better, homophobe! Of COURSE there are people in positions of
power who USE the gay community for their own vainglory. And YES there
is a genuine conspiracy in this nation against gay people. It is one
STRATEGY used by anti-gay cults, to accuse gay activists like me as
"conspiracy nut jobs". That is but ONE ploy to MASK the TRUE
conspiracy going on. To turn the word "conspiracy" into a dirty word,
like has been done to "liberal".

Gays are NOT at higher risk...that is one of the LIES being spread
against us. Even though these medical researchers have APOLOGIZED, the
DAMAGE HAS BEEN DONE. Religious screwballs are already running with
this ball, and they're gonna take it as far as they can...in hopes of
rounding up homosexuals and destroying us. That's been their plan all
along. Now, they got a BOOST from our so-called ALLIES at SF General
Hospital and the UC Med Center, via backstabbing newspaper, SF
Chronicle. Wolves in lavender sheep's clothing!

Hey brainchasm, I notice how you've just DISAPPEARED from the original
thread--you and your phobic cronies...once MORE information came in to
SUPPORT my stance. You were roundly beaten. Give it up, breeder fool!
YOU LOSE BIG TIME. Jumping to thread 2 won't make you look any LESS
the turd.




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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 13:32:33 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:

> And YES there
> is a genuine conspiracy in this nation against gay people.

The secret decoder rings and handshakes gave it away, huh?

> It is one
> STRATEGY used by anti-gay cults, to accuse gay activists like me as
> "conspiracy nut jobs".

No, you're just a nut-job claiming there are anti-gay 'cults' now.  Maybe
there are and you're their P.R. dept. - doing fine work, too.  Carry on.

>
> Gays are NOT at higher risk...

Excellent.  You can continue doing whatever it is you do at no risk then.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 06:20:37 GMT

On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 13:32:33 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>Excellent.  You can continue doing whatever it is you do at no risk then.

I reiterate: GAYS do  not number among those at greater risk for
contracting MRSA. Obviously, you either have NOT read the references I
provided, or you INTENTIONALLY persist in your homophobic vitriol.

Those who are AT RISK are the following:

- Hard drug users who share needles.

- Day care children

- Hospiral patients

NONE of those groups harbor gay people EXCEPT as a very small
minority.

Since YOU so readily ACCEPT the homophobic BIAS of the SF Chronicle's
original article strongly BIASED against gays (blaiming them for being
the major victim and spreader of MRSA), I must conclude that you too,
are a pathetic HOMOPHOBE.

I mean, what else should I conclude? Duh!


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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:43:16 GMT

FOR THE RECORD

This missive is addressed for the few in this thread who DO have ears
to hear...NOT to these homophobic idiots attempting to SKEW my
statements in a similar fashion to the distortion and lies by those
researchers and media outlets in question. (Seamus, Midwinter, root,
sarchasm, Medusa Slox, Stacey  Weinberger.) For the sake of Socratic
dialectic, this article ADDRESSES the culprits listed between those
preceding parantheses. Missive ALSO addressed to any FUTURE readers of
this piece, which I will soon post to my blog, and web site.

Please not that TWO of the above listed may not have ATTACKED me, but
their participation in NO way involves any support of my viewpoints.
And is so refusing to acknowledge my significance, they become
partners in crime.

Your IMMEDIATE reaction was to jump all over me, as if whatever's put
into print MUST be truth. NO ONE is that stupid. Ergo, I conclude that
your TRIVIALIZATION of my viewpoint is BECAUSE I am specifically a GAY
activist, and you INTENTIONALLY mocked me. You WILFULLY played into
the SF Chronicle's OBVIOUS defamation of gay people. You are part of
the CONSPIRACY, which is REAL, which is UGLY. You can bellow and rage
all you want, accusing me of being deluded. You just CAN'T get the
black tar of maliciousness off your baby mentality.

Ergo #2: YOU are a homophobe.

When balanced news reports finally came in (thanks to the dedicated
reporters of GAY media, FYI, NOT hetero, no, not a one), they clearly
and accurately REFLECTED my conclusion on three out of four counts
re.: (1) skewed data, (2) vainglorious researchers (willing to ravage
an ALREADY sorely persecuted community for their own greed), and (3)
INTENTIONALLY HOMOPHOBIC news reports (beginning w/the SF Chronicle).
While none of the truth-speakers went so far as to suggest (4)
CONSPIRACY as I surely have, everything ELSE I claimed was CONFIRMED
by numerous and RELIABLE accounts. Even the NEW YORK TIMES apologized,
fer chrissake!

It's not that I believe everyone (or anyone) MUST agree with EVERY
premise of mine...but once the EVIDENCE poured in, favoring THREE of
my FOUR major claims: any DECENT person (one who is also not
homophobic), would not hesitate to admit my veracity. And therefore,
even if they have strong doubts about an actual CONSPIRACY behind
these SUSPICIOUS events...they would now CONSIDER that possibility,
due to my success correctly interpreting 75% of my surmisals.

But did YOU (and cronies) care to acknowledge wherein I was right as
rain, and that (to put this politely) you reacted too summarily...that
maybe you should have HELD OFF your attacks for a day or two? OF
COURSE NOT. And why is that? (C'mon everyone, sing along!)

H-O-M-O-P-H-O-B-I-A

You (et al) PERSERVERED in your anti-gay skulduggery as if NO accurate
corrections followed via balanced media sources. You CONITINUED your
outrageous attack upon me, accusing me of being overly reactive, and
giving a bad name for gays. Such deliberate OBFUSCATION is indeed the
strategy of anti-queer breeders. It NEVER fails. And because they
believe they can GET AWAY WITH IT, these foul bullies

Further: you and your ilk ET AL, totally IGNORED the various comments
of SUPPORT and AGREEMENT I received in this same thread. AS IF that
never happened. As if! Now for a rundown of the support I received
herein:

Noon-Air:

"In the minds of many amerikans it doesn't matter whether or not
anybody implied it at all. Just hearing it under the terms of 'higher-
rate by this much' is enough to make a lot of really stupid people
think even more idiotic thoughts than they did a few moments before."

1X2Willows:

"So far, I am indeed of the opinion that the original article was
presented in a way so as to imply without explicitly saying so,
that homosexual men are responsible for the outbreak of a new
'bug' which has the potential to endanger society as a whole."

"Jim" :

"Besides there would be no modern druidry if it were not for the
gays."

Truth Inc.:

"You'd be an extremist too with that kind of hatred against you."

You, Midwinter (and cronies) have been ZEALOUSLY deriding me, in an
OBVIOUS maneuver to DERAIL and OBFUSCATE the truth I've presented. As
one who specializes in gay issues, as I have for MANY years, I have
developed keen INSIGHT and superior deductive REASONING. Which
reasoning has become so ADEPT, I can (like Sherlock Holmes) deduce
MANY conclusions from a single thread left in a carpet. I do not
EXPECT even my greatest allies to possess this remarkable gift...but I
DO expect those who are truly non-homophobic and PROGRESSIVE, to give
me DUE respect and consideration...even to ideas which upon FIRST
presentation, appear OUTRAGEOUS. YOU do not, thus leading to my
precise deduction that YOU (et al) are definitely biased AGAINST gay
people. While of course, PRETENDING to be queer friendly. 

Nazi tactics all the way! Infiltrate and obfuscate. Sabotage and
camouflage. Boink the masses and diddle there asses. Screw the
faggots, treat 'em like maggots. BETRAY the truth with tongues so
loose! For WHATEVER reason, I am the SOLE remaining gay activist in
AMERIKA that has NOT sold out to breeder terrorism. I take NO dollars,
NO public fame, NO empowerment from the hands of you HETERO LIZARDS.

After YEARS and years of studying gay and anti-gay reports, it is
CLEAR to me, there is a social-engineering style REAL conspiracy,
using GAY people as the main scapegoat. I am NOT afraid of being
labelled CRAZY, realizing that is ONE of the CURSES I must suffer, in
order to bring TRUTH into the light of day. In THAT sense (and ONLY in
that sense), you BREEDER culprits are my angels too, who willingly
play the role of ENEMY, that I may become HERO. For the Buddha says,
"We have no enemies, only teachers." So THANK YOU for being such
breeder ASSHOLES, in order to portray my GREATNESS by contrast.

There is NO WAY to uncover the truth--that anti-gay actions are a
result of abconsciously organized CONSPIRACY--withOUT accusing certain
factions of complicity. And NOT being hesitant to say so in public
venues (such as Usenet), for fear of being regarded LOONEY. For here
is ANOTHER truth I now toss your way (for I believe that pearls, even
when tossed before swine, do NOT lose their luster):

If you don't bother to CHALLENGE these beasts, get folks riled up,
we'll NEVER discover the truth. And THAT attitude is but ONE of
various ways to ACCURATELY determine who and who is NOT
homophobic...and to what degree. I am MORE then willing to throw
myself on The Sword, in order to get to the BOTTOM of things.

Obviously, this includes exposing BOTTOM DWELLERS such as Seamus,
Midwinter, root, sarchasm, Medusa Slox, and Stacey  Weinberger.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:32:36 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  uttered this travesty
> FOR THE RECORD
>
>  ...NOT to these homophobic idiots attempting to SKEW my
> statements in a similar fashion to the distortion and lies by those
> researchers and media outlets in question.

  Merely claiming others are skewing/distorting/lying with nothing more than
the baseless declaration is an empty claim.  You claimed it, you can either
back up your claims with more than empty declarations or, other will draw
their own conclusions based upon a great deal more reasoning ability than
you've demonstrated in this thread alone.

> (Seamus, Midwinter, root,
> sarchasm, Medusa Slox, Stacey  Weinberger.) For the sake of Socratic
> dialectic,

Hold on there, bucko!  You blaspheme when your misemploy the term 'Socratic
dialectic' with the following un-Socratic rantings.  The your slanted and
emotionally-based drivel resembles true Socratic method about as much as
one-legged flamingo resembles an M1A1 tank.  Again, you can't just claim to
be using such things as Socratic dialectic and then doing something
completely different than that and not expect to be called on your bullshit.

> ... this article ADDRESSES the culprits listed between those
> preceding parantheses. Missive ALSO addressed to any FUTURE readers of
> this piece, which I will soon post to my blog, and web site.

That's nice.  You feel free to keep ranting and whining - that's much more
effective for you than reaching beyond your abilities with calm discourse
and reason.

>
 >
> Your IMMEDIATE reaction was to jump all over me, as if whatever's put
> into print MUST be truth.

Your statement is false.  You *perceived* that's what happened, however,
what actually occured, (c.f. archived posts of what was written here), was
that your _position_ was disagreed with.  That definately pissed you off, as
shown by your continued insistance that those who disagreed with you -
despite your empty claim to the contrary.

> NO ONE is that stupid.

  Apparently that is not the case, since you do make such contradictory and
baseless claims.

> Ergo, I conclude that
> your TRIVIALIZATION of my viewpoint is BECAUSE I am specifically a GAY
> activist,

  There you go; that's an example of you arriving at an inaccurate
conclusion based upon a faulty premise.  Your viewpoint was partially
trivialized not because you are gay but, because you reason like a fucking
moron.  Examples using your own words to substantiate my conclusions are
included herein.

> ... and you INTENTIONALLY mocked me.

You practically begged to be mocked and pity was taken upon your pathetic
attempts to discourse above yourlevel of 'cuz I said so'.

> You WILFULLY played into
> the SF Chronicle's OBVIOUS defamation of gay people.

Don't put your agenda off on me, my *agenda* is to keep you ranting
illogically until you finish undermining yourself.  Are you done yet?
Didn't think so.  Carry on.

> You are part of
> the CONSPIRACY, which is REAL, which is UGLY.

The request for another member of the sekret personhood of anti-anti
whatever to bring chips to the meeting gave it away, huh?

> You can bellow and rage
> all you want, accusing me of being deluded.

Your perceptions of bellowing and raging are greatly exagerated.  Your
delusions are distinct, no accusations are required.

> You just CAN'T get the
> black tar of maliciousness off your baby mentality.

Stop talking at your reflection in the pond and look us in the eye when you
lie.

>
> Ergo #2: YOU are a homophobe.

Your conclusion is incorrect, not because someone such as myself says it is
but, because it is based upon faulty reasoning on your part.  You do that
quite a bit, it seems to be a habitual pattern of yours.

>
> When balanced news reports finally came in (thanks to the dedicated
> reporters of GAY media, FYI, NOT hetero, no, not a one),

So, that makes them 'balanced'?  Bahahahaha

> ... they clearly
> and accurately REFLECTED my conclusion: (1) skewed data, (2) vainglorious
researchers (willing to ravage
> an ALREADY sorely persecuted community for their own greed), and (3)
> INTENTIONALLY HOMOPHOBIC news reports (beginning w/the SF Chronicle).

Yep.

> While none of the truth-speakers went so far as to suggest (4)
> CONSPIRACY as I surely have,

That's due to your massive exagerations, not anything resembling insight or
logic.

>
> It's not that I believe everyone (or anyone) MUST agree with EVERY
> premise of mine...

Clearly, your staement is false since it contradicts your knee-jerk reaction
whenever you have been disagreed with in this thread alone.  You do that
quite a bit too - would you like to see your own words right back at ya?
heh

> but once the EVIDENCE poured in, favoring THREE of
> my FOUR major claims

As specified previously by others, that did not constitute 'evidence'.  It
consisted of further weak claims, and 'round 'n 'round it goes.

>
> You (et al) PERSERVERED in your anti-gay skulduggery ...

[snip yada yada, same shit/different day]

>
> You, Midwinter (and cronies) have been ZEALOUSLY deriding me,

Not you so much as your weakly argued position.

> ... in an
> OBVIOUS maneuver to DERAIL and OBFUSCATE the truth I've presented.

No such thing has yet occurred, whatever your illogical beliefs to the
contrary.

> As
> one who specializes in gay issues, as I have for MANY years, I have
> developed keen INSIGHT and superior deductive REASONING.

That does not logically follow and such claims to insight and deductive
reasoning abilities remain without substantiated basis.  Again, merely
claiming these abilities does not grant them.

> Which reasoning has become so ADEPT,

No, it hasn't; it it merely your empty claim.

> I can (like Sherlock Holmes) deduce
> MANY conclusions from a single thread left in a carpet.

Your statement demonstrates another false claim.  This is getting
repetitious of you.

> I do not
> EXPECT even my greatest allies to possess this remarkable gift...

You under-estimate amoeba.

> ... but I
> DO expect those who are truly non-homophobic and PROGRESSIVE, to give
> me DUE respect and consideration...even to ideas which upon FIRST
> presentation, appear OUTRAGEOUS.

Not so much outrageous per se, as self-evidentally illogical.

>
> Nazi tactics all the way! Infiltrate and obfuscate. Sabotage and
> camouflage. Boink the masses and diddle there asses. Screw the
> faggots, treat 'em like maggots. BETRAY the truth with tongues so
> loose! For WHATEVER reason, I am the SOLE remaining gay activist in
> AMERIKA that has NOT sold out to breeder terrorism.

Now there's an interesting possibility; that chief thracian zeke is just
such an agent provocateur.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:37:06 GMT

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:32:36 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>  Merely claiming others are skewing/distorting/lying with nothing more than
>the baseless declaration is an empty claim.  You claimed it, you can either
>back up your claims with more than empty declarations or, other will draw
>their own conclusions based upon a great deal more reasoning ability than
>you've demonstrated in this thread alone.

I PROVIDED the proof, dipwad! News articles, letters to the editor.
EXCELLENT proof that I was quite correct in my accustion of
intentionally skewed data. Like a typical homophobe, you chose to
swallow every ignorant claim by the S.F. Chronicle, about gays being a
major vector of MRSA, and that the Castro is a hot spot. ALL lies, and
ALL disproven by most reliable sources.

>Hold on there, bucko!  You blaspheme when your misemploy the term 'Socratic
>dialectic' with the following un-Socratic rantings.  

Socratic dialectic is composing an argument between yourself and an
imaginary foe. In my case, I used the group of idiots in this thread
(including yourself) as my debating opponent.

Dialectic: Any formal system of reasoning that arrives at the truth by
the exchange of logical arguments.

I used logical reasoning (with opponents as a backdrop) to reach my
conclusion of an intentional conspiracy. The PROOF of my accuracy
popped up like mushrooms in various media outlets. All I needed was to
cite several outlets. More than sufficient to win my argument!

>Again, you can't just claim to
>be using such things as Socratic dialectic and then doing something
>completely different than that and not expect to be called on your bullshit.

Well it's NOT completely different. I used the classical dialectic
method, in a casual and contemporary manner.

>That's nice.  You feel free to keep ranting and whining - that's much more
>effective for you than reaching beyond your abilities with calm discourse
>and reason.

I'm calm. I've been calm all along. Permission to LMAO in the process?

>Don't put your agenda off on me, 

My agenda is merely to speak TRUTH on behalf of gay people. In a
majorly homophobic culture, that often requires AGGRESSIVE speech.
Martin Luther KIng inspires me!

>my *agenda* is to keep you ranting
>illogically until you finish undermining yourself.  

Yet instead, you come off as the buffoon you truly are. Give it up,
you fell flat on your scowling face quite a few messages back!

>The request for another member of the sekret personhood of anti-anti
>whatever to bring chips to the meeting gave it away, huh?

Nope. Some conspiraces are REAL...and indeed, most evil.

The genocide of Native Americans was a conspiracy. The Nazi movement
was an anti-Jewish (and anti-gay, anti-gypsy, anti-diasbled, etc.)
conspiracy. And the continued vilification of gays in the most VIOLENT
of ways (from the pulpit AND the White House) is indeed a living
conspiracy, which I play the honorable role of TOPPLING, along with
various other, good-gay souls.

Conspiracy: "A plot to carry out some harmful or illegal act
(especially a political plot)"

There is NO definiton of "conspiracy" that implies it is not real.

>Stop talking at your reflection in the pond and look us in the eye when you
>lie.

I've been doing that, and believe me, your reptilian eyes are MOST
disgusting, I wanna puke.

>Your conclusion is incorrect, not because someone such as myself says it is
>but, because it is based upon faulty reasoning on your part.  You do that
>quite a bit, it seems to be a habitual pattern of yours.

Squirm all you want. I got you cornered. I got your number.

>So, that makes them 'balanced'?  Bahahahaha

Of course. You don't think any HETERO media agency would care to give
unbiased reporting? Are you suggesting that the black community's own
news outlets are LESS balanced than their white media counterparts? I
don't think your overly simplistic attack upon my integrity, and that
of the gay media, will impress ANY intelligent person.

>That's due to your massive exagerations, not anything resembling insight or
>logic.

Oh,  no. It is OBVIOUS there is an intelligent pattern behind these
events. And by blowing the whistle loud enough and frequently enough,
I will UNCOVER the culprits behind the curtain. I WILL have the last
laugh. The more YOU squirm, the more you bury yourself deeper into
homophobic quicksand.

>As specified previously by others, that did not constitute 'evidence'.  It
>consisted of further weak claims, and 'round 'n 'round it goes.

Those claims were NOT weak at all. They showed the poor LOGIC of the
original "data" presented. The  proof against this skewed research was
far more logical. MORE proof against these researchers and the SF
Chronicle has come through. Which I just posted to my first thread.

>That does not logically follow and such claims to insight and deductive
>reasoning abilities remain without substantiated basis.  Again, merely
>claiming these abilities does not grant them.

The substantiation HAS been presented, by fair-minded authors,
researchers, and news outlets. You're ready to split your guts ain't
ya, because I was so readily vindicated? ROTFLMAO.

>You under-estimate amoeba.

Clever retort does not win debate.

>Now there's an interesting possibility; that chief thracian zeke is just
>such an agent provocateur.

Diversionary tactics by the enemy. Ho-hum. Gotcha again!


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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:59:17 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> >  Merely claiming others are skewing/distorting/lying with nothing more
than
> >the baseless declaration is an empty claim.  You claimed it, you can
either
> >back up your claims with more than empty declarations or, others will
draw
> >their own conclusions based upon a great deal more reasoning ability than
> >you've demonstrated in this thread alone.
>
> I PROVIDED the proof, dipwad! News articles, letters to the editor.
>

No, moron.  The reference was to your claims, not in regards to the
newspaper article.  Going to claim ADD now, or are you just embarassed by
being a dumbshit and wanted to scoot back into familar ground, (the far away
land of the righteous militant)?

>
> >Hold on there, bucko!  You blaspheme when your misemploy the term
'Socratic
> >dialectic' with the following un-Socratic rantings.
>
> Socratic dialectic is composing an argument between yourself and an
> imaginary foe.

Yet, the inference in the context of 'Socratic' is that there be logic in
such an argument.  Not just from your foes, you need to pony-up too.  When
can we expect that, the fifth of never?

> In my case, I used the group of idiots in this thread
> (including yourself) as my debating opponent.
>

In that case, you failed miserably, as shown by the archived exchange.  You
can paint any whitewash you wish upon it, but basically you got whupped.

> Dialectic: Any formal system of reasoning that arrives at the truth by
> the exchange of logical arguments.
>

Apparently, you did have to look that up after all.  Okay, your delusional
rants were opposed by the use of logic.  You did not reciprocate in the same
manner, therefore, you did not participate in a dialectic argument except as
an irrational bystander.

> I used logical reasoning (with opponents as a backdrop) to reach my
> conclusion of an intentional conspiracy.
>

No, you did not use any such thing.  Claiming that you did when your posts
are archived is ridiculous and self-delusional.

> >Again, you can't just claim to
> >be using such things as Socratic dialectic and then doing something
> >completely different than that and not expect to be called on your
bullshit.
>
> Well it's NOT completely different. I used the classical dialectic
> method, in a casual and contemporary manner.
>

Again, your claim is shown to be false, given the archived evidence of your
posts.  What's next, claiming that you're smart?

>
> >my *agenda* is to keep you ranting
> >illogically until you finish undermining yourself.
>
> Yet instead,
>

There is no "instead", you have been doing as predicted.

>
>
> >Stop talking at your reflection in the pond and look us in the eye when
you
> >lie.
>
> I've been doing that, and believe me, I wanna puke.
>

Not surprising.

> >
>
> >Now there's an interesting possibility; that chief thracian zeke is just
> >such an agent provocateur.
>
> Diversionary tactics by the enemy. Ho-hum. Gotcha again!
>

Is it, or are you just dodging the question?  Agent provocateur tactics?



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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 06:48:40 GMT

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:59:17 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>No, moron.  The reference was to your claims, not in regards to the
>newspaper article.  Going to claim ADD now, or are you just embarassed by
>being a dumbshit and wanted to scoot back into familar ground, (the far away
>land of the righteous militant)?

I've said it all, presented my conclusions, with considerable
evidence. You're just rehashing for the sake of noise.

Let my two threads stand. I KNOW of what I speak. The only ones who've
opposed me have ALL acted over-emotional (almost PARANOID), and who've
proven NO grasp of gay history or news, presuming NONE of them have
EVER picked up or read even ONE news article in a gay paper or other
media resource.

I am far CLOSER to being an expert in this matter than ANY of you are!
My two threads will soon be uploaded to my web site for posterity.

Hilarious.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: Midwinter 
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 05:49:18 -0600

chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :

> I used logical reasoning (with opponents as a backdrop) to reach my
> conclusion of an intentional conspiracy. 

sarchasm's covered most of this.  I'll just add that your comments and 
attitude thus far indicate very strongly that you'd already decided what 
conclusion you wanted before you even posted here.  Your 'logical 
reasoning' throughout this exchange has in fact consisted of you defending 
that preferred conclusion come hell or high water.  And it hasn't been 
logical in the slightest.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 06:50:17 GMT

On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 05:49:18 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>Your 'logical 
>reasoning' throughout this exchange has in fact consisted of you defending 
>that preferred conclusion come hell or high water.  And it hasn't been 
>logical in the slightest.

You just keep on believing that. The only reason I've willingly argued
with BUFFOONS for so long, is for the sake of future readers, for
posterity. For I KNOW I shall be vindicated on ALL points expounded by
yours truly.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 00:54:34 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "Midwinter"  wrote:
>
> >Your 'logical
> >reasoning' throughout this exchange has in fact consisted of you
defending
> >that preferred conclusion come hell or high water.  And it hasn't been
> >logical in the slightest.
>
> You just keep on believing that.

And you keep irrationally believing that you're logical.  It's as funny as
your "breeder, breeder!" bullshit.  Say hello every once in a while to your
'breeder' parents - unless they disowned you years ago.

> The only reason I've willingly argued
> with BUFFOONS for so long, is for the sake of future readers, for
> posterity.

Unless they're as stupid as you, present and future readers should be able
to easily discern your prejudicial stance and extremists views.  It's not
that complicated, since you present your case so poorly.

> For I KNOW I shall be vindicated on ALL points expounded by
> yours truly.
>

You're going to 'vindicate' yourself by using your currents methods?
bahahaha  Please don't stop, shill.




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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 21:25:01 GMT

On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 00:54:34 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>Say hello every once in a while to your
>'breeder' parents - unless they disowned you years ago.

Takes no brains to insert rod A into slot B. That's the ONLY reason so
many stupid breeders exist! Look in the mirror, brainchasm!

Just because a hetero union brought me into existence, doesn't mean
they're GODS. Though YOU want us gays to treat heteros that way. Or
we're supposed to feel GUILTY when we speak out! Ooooh, I'm shakin'
now, boy am I quivering in my shoes!

What a LOUSY reason to shut up about homophobia: because I have heter
PARENTS! News alert! The Middle Ages ended CENTURIES ago. Children are
no longer SLAVES and POSSESSIONS of their parents.

If a parent abuse a child, that offspring has every RIGHT and even
DUTY to speak out and denounce shut abuse. And HOMOPHOBIA among HETERO
parents to their gay children is ENDEMIC. Many children are made
homeless by these "beloved" heteros who brought them into this
world...simply beCAUSE they're gay.

Oh yes, ain't breeder parents just SAINTS! Ah yes. And YOU,
brainchasm, have shown your TRUE colors. The only gays you care to
befriend are spineless ones, ready to kiss the first hetero ass that
has its pants down.

>Unless they're as stupid as you, present and future readers should be able
>to easily discern your prejudicial stance and extremists views.  It's not
>that complicated, since you present your case so poorly.

Sure. You just keep on believing that. I have NO need to prove you
wrong. It's all in the threads.

>You're going to 'vindicate' yourself by using your currents methods?
>bahahaha  Please don't stop, shill.

Yep. You're trapped. Het sucker!



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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 15:25:26 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> >Say hello every once in a while to your
> >'breeder' parents - unless they disowned you years ago.
>
>
> Just because a hetero union brought me into existence,

Despite your obsesseive heterophobia, you are the dubious product of such a
process.  Not the process of an alternate union.  Dwell on that.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:43:13 GMT

On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 15:25:26 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>Despite your obsesseive heterophobia, you are the dubious product of such a
>process.  Not the process of an alternate union.  Dwell on that.

Doesn't matter. Hetero parents EVERYWHERE have no right to abuse a
child simply for being homosexual. As if the fact they brought him
into this world gives them a right to persecute him, beat him up, kick
him onto the streets? I get it:

"We brought you into this world, so we ALWAYS have the last say in how
you live, how you think, how you behave? What YOU think, what YOU
feel, has absolutely NO relevance."

And that's why I believe NO breeder should have the right to freely
pop infants from the womb with NO responsibility towards society. This
creates a situation where the MAJORITY of children born, are UNWANTED.
Thus creating a rich BREEDING GROUND for future criminals, the
majority of which will grow up to be HOMOPHOBES.

Breeders, like those adopt or choose to artificially inseminate,
shoudl first PROVE to society they are capable of raising a child in a
secure, responsible, and happy family...free of HOMOPHOBIA, as well as
of other bigotries.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 22:57:07 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> >Despite your obsesseive heterophobia, you are the dubious product of such
a
> >process.  Not the process of an alternate union.  Dwell on that.
>
> Doesn't matter.

Sure it does. That's how you got here, along with a cartload of resentment.

> Hetero parents EVERYWHERE have no right to abuse a
> child simply for being homosexual.

Doesn't matter - that's your strawman thrown out to distract from the
initial matter; which is that you are the dubious product of such a
process.  Not the process of an alternate union, which does not favor
producing homosexual or heterosexual offspring.  It produces babies.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 08:15:21 GMT

On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 22:57:07 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>Sure it does. That's how you got here, along with a cartload of resentment.

Wrong again, breeder faggot!


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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 00:47:49 -0700

"Midwinter"  wrote:
> chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :
>
> > I used logical reasoning (with opponents as a backdrop) to reach my
> > conclusion of an intentional conspiracy.
>
> sarchasm's covered most of this.  I'll just add that your comments and
> attitude thus far indicate very strongly that you'd already decided what
> conclusion you wanted before you even posted here.

Right.  That's essentially an example of using sophistry to 'argue' toward a
predetermined conclusion.

> Your 'logical
> reasoning' throughout this exchange has in fact consisted of you defending
> that preferred conclusion come hell or high water.  And it hasn't been
> logical in the slightest.

Yes, his glazed-over repetitious empty claims stand in stark contrast to
what he actually posts.  He remains his own worst enemy.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 21:25:54 GMT

On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 00:47:49 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>He remains his own worst enemy.

Hardly.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 15:29:37 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> >He remains his own worst enemy.
>
> Hardly.
>

Do you endorse your disability checks with wordsto the effect, 'die breeder
scum', or are you all yap?



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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:43:14 GMT

On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 15:29:37 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>Do you endorse your disability checks with wordsto the effect, 'die breeder
>scum', or are you all yap?

I wish! I use automatic deposit. That way, I can keep the monies I get
pimping beautiful boys, separate from my stipend.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 22:58:37 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> >Do you endorse your disability checks with wordsto the effect, 'die
breeder
> >scum', or are you all yap?
>
> I wish! I use automatic deposit. That way, I can keep the monies I get
> pimping beautiful boys, separate from my stipend.
>

Your admission to defrauding the government is noted.  Now pull your sophist
weaseling-out tactic on that.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 08:15:40 GMT

On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 22:58:37 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>Your admission to defrauding the government is noted.  Now pull your sophist
>weaseling-out tactic on that.

Wrong again, breeder faggot!


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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: "Medusa Slox" 
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:08:13 -0500


"Chief Thracian"  wrote in message
news:47a00e68.11842145@amsterdam.newsgroups-download.com...
: FOR THE RECORD
:
: This missive is addressed for the few in this thread who DO have ears
: to hear...NOT to these homophobic idiots attempting to SKEW my
: statements in a similar fashion to the distortion and lies by those
: researchers and media outlets in question. (Seamus, Midwinter, root,
: sarchasm, Medusa Slox,


Were you born in Moronia or are you a naturalized Moron?

I haven't said a fucking word about this subject.

I did say, in a roundabout way, that an ass is NOT a "male private part".

Medusa Slox



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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 22:32:37 -0700

"Medusa Slox"  wrote:
> "Chief Thracian"  wrote:

> (Seamus, Midwinter, root, sarchasm, Medusa Slox,
>
>
> Were you born in Moronia or are you a naturalized Moron?
>
> I haven't said a fucking word about this subject.
>
> I did say, in a roundabout way, that an ass is NOT a "male private part".
>

In regards to zeke, that comprises his entire being.

> Medusa Slox



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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:42:04 GMT

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 22:32:37 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>In regards to zeke, that comprises his entire being.

Call me whatever you want. I have a thick skin. Ya GOTTA be thick
skinned, to be a gay activist in this homophobic insane asylum called
Amerika! I am HERE to accomplish a lot of good for my gay
brothers/sisters. Being called names and accused of the very things
that I accuse homophobes of committing, only serves in the long run to
make the public WITNESS my dedication.

Thanks for playing the fool to my hero! You make it so EASY.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 00:02:51 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> >In regards to zeke, that comprises his entire being.
>
> Call me whatever you want. I have a thick skin.

In context:
Medusa wrote:

> I did say, in a roundabout way, that an ass is NOT a "male private part".
>
In regards to zeke, that comprises his entire being.

> Medusa Slox

You don't need permission to make an ass of yourself, you do it without.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 00:14:07 -0700

"Seamus"  wrote:
> (Chief Thracian) wrote:

> > Call me whatever you want. I have a thick skin.
>
> No, you don't. You keep going off like a landmine every time we reply.
> The truth seems to be that you are - in actuality, a whiny emo bitch.

Ah shit, now you went and found more buttons to toggle, Seamus.  You
bastard.  heh



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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: Seamus 
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 07:24:31 +0000 (UTC)

"sarchasm"  wrote in news:fnugt1$46u$1
>> No, you don't. You keep going off like a landmine every time we reply.
>> The truth seems to be that you are - in actuality, a whiny emo bitch.
> 
> Ah shit, now you went and found more buttons to toggle, Seamus.  You
> bastard.  heh

Yeah. I think I may have overstepped the line there, actually.

_
"I would suggest that responsible people in charge of their own
destinies
know exactly what happens when you go projecting negative energy into
the Universe. I'd also suggest to you that just because some doesn't
go around claiming to be a witch, it doesn't mean that they're not
perfectly capable of exerting as much power in the psychic\spiritual
realm as they are in the material.  I'd remind you that
"occult" [basically] means hidden, and occult power would be passed
down through the generations based on temperament and ability.
What I would point out is that silly women that scream to the world
that they are witches - are most definately not."
- rec.games.miniatures.warhammer Outtakes, from the rgmw/arw flamewar
of 2002

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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: Pisano 
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:26:13 -0500

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:45:17 -0800 (PST), Seamus
 wrote:

>On Feb 1, 1:42 am, chief_thracia...@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
>wrote:
>> Call me whatever you want. I have a thick skin.
>
>No, you don't. You keep going off like a landmine every time we reply.
>The truth seems to be that you are - in actuality, a whiny emo bitch.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: "Noon-Air" 
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 07:35:42 -0600


"Chief Thracian"  wrote in message 
news:47a2be72.6612736@amsterdam.newsgroups-download.com...
> On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 22:32:37 -0700, "sarchasm" 
> wrote:
>
>>In regards to zeke, that comprises his entire being.
>
> Call me whatever you want. I have a thick skin. Ya GOTTA be thick
> skinned, to be a gay activist in this homophobic insane asylum called
> Amerika! I am HERE to accomplish a lot of good for my gay
> brothers/sisters. Being called names and accused of the very things
> that I accuse homophobes of committing, only serves in the long run to
> make the public WITNESS my dedication.
>
> Thanks for playing the fool to my hero! You make it so EASY.

Thanx for admitting that your a troll, you make it so easy, welcome to my 
killfile.

*click*



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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 06:52:49 GMT

On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 07:35:42 -0600, "Noon-Air" 
wrote:

>Thanx for admitting that your a troll, you make it so easy, welcome to my 
>killfile.
>
>*click*

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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:38:35 GMT

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:08:13 -0500, "Medusa Slox" 
wrote:

>I haven't said a fucking word about this subject.

And yet here you are. Tossing trivial garbage into a serious matter.
But what the fuck do YOU care whether gay people get massacred or not?
You're just here to be the silly hetero byatch you are!



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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 00:18:19 -0700

"Seamus"  wrote:
> (Chief Thracian) wrote:

> > And yet here you are. Tossing trivial garbage into a serious matter.
> > But what the fuck do YOU care whether gay people get massacred or not?
> > You're just here to be the silly hetero byatch you are!
>
> And you've just attacked someone for NOT jumping your shit! Wow! Make
> up your fucking mind.

He's already established that, in what loosely passes for his feeble mind,
zeke believes anyone who isn't with 'im, is agin'  'im.  Nobody gets to be
neutral, whether they have a dog in the fight or not, according to the
militant.  That's too bad, it could've been an ally pool but, he alienates
everyone and then seems confused by the reactions received.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: Midwinter 
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:02:31 -0600

"sarchasm"  said :

> zeke believes anyone who isn't with 'im, is agin'  'im.  Nobody gets
> to be neutral, whether they have a dog in the fight or not, according
> to the militant.

It's your basic extremist worldview.  Unfortunately, it's not uncommon.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 00:59:14 -0700

"Midwinter"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  said :
>
> > zeke believes anyone who isn't with 'im, is agin'  'im.  Nobody gets
> > to be neutral, whether they have a dog in the fight or not, according
> > to the militant.
>
> It's your basic extremist worldview.  Unfortunately, it's not uncommon.

Most unfortunate, given the current political climate regarding terrorists
of any extremist worldview.



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From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 21:26:59 GMT

On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 00:59:14 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>Most unfortunate, given the current political climate regarding terrorists
>of any extremist worldview.

Heteros have been practicing terrorism against gays for CENTURIES.
Now, it's YOUR turn.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 15:33:29 -0700

Your admission to supporting terrorism cannot be negated by claiming
activism.

"Chief Thracian"  wrote in message
news:47a4dff9.12755429@amsterdam.newsgroups-download.com...
> On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 00:59:14 -0700,
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> >Most unfortunate, given the current political climate regarding
terrorists
> >of any extremist worldview.
>
> Heteros have been practicing terrorism against gays for CENTURIES.
> Now, it's YOUR turn.



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From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:43:14 GMT

On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 15:33:29 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>Your admission to supporting terrorism cannot be negated by claiming
>activism.

Fight fire with fire!

Same strategy the allied forces used to beat the Nazis. There are all
KINDS of terrorism, you know...but can be divided into two camps:
violent and non-violent. I propose the latter. Give breeders a TASTE
of the terrorism they throw on gays 24/7, and they'll wise up. For
example:

--excerpt from "Hetero Shame Week" [
www.gay-bible.org/truetales/6_shame.htm]:

I think that American free speech is a distortion of what it's
supposed to be...in that it wrongly defends even the most violent of
hate speech. All liberties must have their restrictions, else they
soon lose relevance. The restriction on free speech should include the
three following rules:

1) No promoting the injury, death, or torture of another person. (As
in: "Stone those faggots to death.")

2) No invocation of one's religious beliefs to promote the injury,
death, or torture of another person. (As in: "God says these faggots
should be stoned to death.")

3) No promoting prejudice against a people or person, that is known to
provoke violence or other persecution against them or her/him. (As in:
"Would you really let a faggot teach your children?")

Meanwhile (until we earn our freedom as equal-class citizens) I think
we should declare a "Hetero Shame Week", immediately following "Gay
Pride Week"; here in San Francisco and in all other U.S. cities with a
significant lesbian/gay presence. That is...if we don't all get
rounded up first, and tortured in laboratory experiments, or made into
wallets and lamps.

The purpose of Hetero Shame is mainly to address the silence of the
hetero majority that claims to not be allied with the religious
right...yet in their silence, they give sanction. They do nothing to
speak out against homophobia, nor anything to support gay rights. If
this were not true, we'd find many more gay-supportive posters and
announcements in hangouts set aside for our "liberal" heterosexual
populace (which places indeed DO provide a voice against racism, child
abuse, and women's rights). Instead, there's barely a peep of protest
against gay hatred.

HETERO SHAME WEEK: whereby all public display of hetero affection be
outlawed for that week. Anyone breaking that law would go to jail for
10 days, and be fined $500 (which shall be donated to one or another
les/gay rights organizations). Any hetero who can't afford the steep
fine, or time away from work...ought to heed well the advice to keep
his or her public affections under strict control, for the duration.
See how YOU (heteros) like it!

--end of excerpt

In ending this article, I want to COMMEND sarchasm's innate ability to
draw out a person's inner thoughts. That is truly a gift, sarchasm,
I'm very impressed. You really ARE an excellent student of the human
psyche! My (lobotomized) hat off to you!




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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: "sarchasm" 
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 22:59:38 -0700

"Chief Thracian"  wrote:
> "sarchasm"  wrote:
>
> >Your admission to supporting terrorism cannot be negated by claiming
> >activism.
>
> Fight fire with fire!
>
> Same strategy the allied forces used to beat the Nazis.

Godwin invoked, because you are such a putz.



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From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 08:16:01 GMT

On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 22:59:38 -0700, "sarchasm" 
wrote:

>Godwin invoked, because you are such a putz.

Wrong again, breeder faggot!



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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: Midwinter 
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:00:47 -0600

chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :

>>I haven't said a fucking word about this subject.
> 
> And yet here you are. Tossing trivial garbage into a serious matter.

No - she raised the same question I did, when you claimed that someone's 
mentioning 'ass' represented an obsession with what *you* called 'male 
private parts'.  Her point was simply that girls have asses too - 
therefore they're not 'male private parts'.  I'm not that sure they even 
qualify as private parts, do they?  People seem a little more willing to 
expose them than they do the, um, apparatus round the front, whichever 
set they have.

Still, you might well try to pass off your error as 'trivial', but in 
fact it was very telling.  It indicated the extent to which your 
worldview is slanted (as if your other comments hadn't already done so), 
and therefore wasn't actually trivial at all.


> But what the fuck do YOU care whether gay people get massacred or not?

Every reasonable person would care if gay people were being massacred.  
But they're not - that's another example of your absolute inability to 
assess a situation rationally.  A newspaper article identified the 
activities of gay men as a possible risk factor in transmitting a new 
variant of MRSA.  You took that warning as a personal affront, and that 
has fed into your increasingly barking statements here.


> You're just here to be the silly hetero byatch you are!

I'm not aware that Medusa has made any comment in this thread regarding 
her sexuality.  I'm not even sure why you think it's relevant.  It 
couldn't...  It couldn't be that you're prejudicially judging people on 
your personal stereotypes about sexual orientation... could it?

Oh, and...  "Byatch"?  Oh deary me...  How *very* last week.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: "Medusa Slox" 
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 19:44:07 -0500


"Midwinter"  wrote in message
news:SbKdndswo-hylD7anZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) said :
:
: >>I haven't said a fucking word about this subject.
: >
: > And yet here you are. Tossing trivial garbage into a serious matter.
:
: No - she raised the same question I did, when you claimed that someone's
: mentioning 'ass' represented an obsession with what *you* called 'male
: private parts'.  Her point was simply that girls have asses too -
: therefore they're not 'male private parts'.  I'm not that sure they even
: qualify as private parts, do they?  People seem a little more willing to
: expose them than they do the, um, apparatus round the front, whichever
: set they have.
:
: Still, you might well try to pass off your error as 'trivial', but in
: fact it was very telling.  It indicated the extent to which your
: worldview is slanted (as if your other comments hadn't already done so),
: and therefore wasn't actually trivial at all.
:
:
: > But what the fuck do YOU care whether gay people get massacred or not?
:
: Every reasonable person would care if gay people were being massacred.
: But they're not - that's another example of your absolute inability to
: assess a situation rationally.  A newspaper article identified the
: activities of gay men as a possible risk factor in transmitting a new
: variant of MRSA.  You took that warning as a personal affront, and that
: has fed into your increasingly barking statements here.
:
:
: > You're just here to be the silly hetero byatch you are!
:
: I'm not aware that Medusa has made any comment in this thread regarding
: her sexuality.  I'm not even sure why you think it's relevant.  It
: couldn't...  It couldn't be that you're prejudicially judging people on
: your personal stereotypes about sexual orientation... could it?
:
: Oh, and...  "Byatch"?  Oh deary me...  How *very* last week.

I've admitted to being hetero.

My friend Amanda Love feels that Zeke is a homophobic homosexual. He looks
for people to hate him, then claims it's because he's gay. She says the best
thing for him to do for her and other Queens is to shut the fuck up, please.

By the way, gay men are 13% more likely to get MRSA according to the study.
The fact is that news media have translated that 13% to mean 13 times more
likely. Not so.

13% means that if 100 non-homosexual-male persons get MRSA, then 113
homosexual males get MRSA.

13 times more likely would be for every 100 non-homosexual-male persons get
MRSA, then 1300 homosexual males get MRSA.

I've written several letters to the media, to no avail. Apparently math is
not required for a journalism degree.

As for the reason that homosexual males get MRSA more often, if in fact they
do, it hasn't been determined. I wonder if it has to do with use of
antibacterial products or working in sterile occupations such as the medical
field.

By the way, I had my MRSA two years ago. Not fun.

Medusa Slox



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From: Midwinter 
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:06:31 -0600

"Medusa Slox"  said :

> I've admitted to being hetero.

You don't have to *admit* to being hetero, any more than you'd have to 
*admit* to being gay.

 
> My friend Amanda Love feels that Zeke is a homophobic homosexual. He
> looks for people to hate him, then claims it's because he's gay. She
> says the best thing for him to do for her and other Queens is to shut
> the fuck up, please.

Mmm.  As I said, he's actually damaging the cause he professes to be 
campaigning for.  If he cared about the cause, he *would* stop what he's 
doing - but he doesn't, so he won't.  I think Amanda Love is probably very 
right.

 
> By the way, gay men are 13% more likely to get MRSA according to the
> study. The fact is that news media have translated that 13% to mean 13
> times more likely. Not so.

Okay.

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From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 07:00:30 GMT

On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 19:44:07 -0500, "Medusa Slox" 
wrote:

>My friend Amanda Love feels that Zeke is a homophobic homosexual. He looks
>for people to hate him, then claims it's because he's gay. She says the best
>thing for him to do for her and other Queens is to shut the fuck up, please.

Your friend Amanda is a dizzy goofball, like you! TOO obvious.


>As for the reason that homosexual males get MRSA more often, if in fact they
>do, it hasn't been determined. I wonder if it has to do with use of
>antibacterial products or working in sterile occupations such as the medical
>field.

See what I mean? You don't even know how to read, breeder bimbo!

Homosexual males do NOT contract MRSA more often than your average
hetero. Not even 13% more. It is: athletes, pre-schoolers, hospital
patients, hard drug addicts (if they shoot up), and the homeless. ALL
of which are predominantly hetero.

>By the way, I had my MRSA two years ago. Not fun.

THAT I'm MOST sorry to hear.



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From: "Medusa Slox" 
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 07:49:47 -0500


"Chief Thracian"  wrote in message
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: On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 19:44:07 -0500, "Medusa Slox" 
: wrote:
:
: >My friend Amanda Love feels that Zeke is a homophobic homosexual. He
looks
: >for people to hate him, then claims it's because he's gay. She says the
best
: >thing for him to do for her and other Queens is to shut the fuck up,
please.
:
: Your friend Amanda is a dizzy goofball, like you! TOO obvious.

My friend Amanda is known worldwide for her activism. Pity you've not heard
of her.


:
:
: >As for the reason that homosexual males get MRSA more often, if in fact
they
: >do, it hasn't been determined. I wonder if it has to do with use of
: >antibacterial products or working in sterile occupations such as the
medical
: >field.
:
: See what I mean? You don't even know how to read, breeder bimbo!

What part of "if in fact they do" did you not grok?

:
: Homosexual males do NOT contract MRSA more often than your average
: hetero. Not even 13% more. It is: athletes, pre-schoolers, hospital
: patients, hard drug addicts (if they shoot up), and the homeless. ALL
: of which are predominantly hetero.
:
: >By the way, I had my MRSA two years ago. Not fun.
:
: THAT I'm MOST sorry to hear.
:

Thank you for your compassion. It was a month and a half of torture,
beginning with surgery. My flesh was being eaten from the inside rather than
the more common skin lesions.

It happens that I DO feel that this study has been used as a rallying point
for anti-gay sentiment. I do not believe it a conspiracy as much as I
believe to be ignorance and sensationalism.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 21:29:15 GMT

On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 07:49:47 -0500, "Medusa Slox" 
wrote:

>My friend Amanda is known worldwide for her activism. Pity you've not heard
>of her.

Pity she hasn't heard of me!

>Thank you for your compassion. It was a month and a half of torture,
>beginning with surgery. My flesh was being eaten from the inside rather than
>the more common skin lesions.

Yeah, it can affect some that way. I have homeless buddies who've had
MRSA. As if their lives weren't tough enough!

>It happens that I DO feel that this study has been used as a rallying point
>for anti-gay sentiment. I do not believe it a conspiracy as much as I
>believe to be ignorance and sensationalism.

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From: Midwinter 
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 05:55:36 -0600

Seamus  said :

> See, Zeke, this post kicks ass. Medusa is - despite your accusations
> earlier - a decent person. Many of us are. You would learn this, if
> you didn't shift into hostility so easily.
> 
> For the last time: We aren't anti-gay.

Many of us far from it.  But is 'zeke' interested in that?  No.  As I said, 
his primary goal here (and no doubt anywhere else) is to fight.  That's all 
he wants; it's all he's interested in.  He might claim that his hostility 
and prejudice is a sign of his noble zeal in fighting against anti-gay 
sentiment - but that excuse rings very hollow in light of his demonstrated 
attitude and behaviours.

IF he eventually posts in a way that suggests that he's remotely interested 
in whether anyone's actually anti-gay or not (and, by extension, that he's 
willing to find out about people before laying into them), then I'll start 
paying attention to him again.  Until then, as far as I'm concerned, his 
petulant ranting is less a question of gay rights and more a matter of his 
being self-indulgent, paranoid and bigoted.

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From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 07:12:37 GMT

On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 05:55:36 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>Many of us far from it.  But is 'zeke' interested in that?  No.  

"Many"? I see four or five idiots heckling me JUST like the homophobes
they are. You're a SABOTEUR.

>As I said, 
>his primary goal here (and no doubt anywhere else) is to fight.  

YOU started the fight. YOU can't take the heat.

>but that excuse rings very hollow in light of his demonstrated 
>attitude and behaviours.

Your muddying the waters is failing. Give it up! What has happened in
this thread, is that you and several others adding mean-spirited,
rude, and homophobic comments to the dialog.

>IF he eventually posts in a way that suggests that he's remotely interested 
>in whether anyone's actually anti-gay or not (and, by extension, that he's 
>willing to find out about people before laying into them), then I'll start 
>paying attention to him again.  

Please, I don't WANT your attention. That's like diving into a lake
filled with piranhas. HETERO piranhas.

>Until then, as far as I'm concerned, his 
>petulant ranting is less a question of gay rights and more a matter of his 
>being self-indulgent, paranoid and bigoted.

Your concern is about as honest as a wooden nickel.


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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: Joseph Littleshoes 
Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 19:45:53 -0800

Chief Thracian wrote:
> Please, I don't WANT your attention. That's like diving into a lake
> filled with piranhas. HETERO piranhas.

Was trolling the net for free music the other day and ran across this

http://www.008.org.cn/up/he_was_a_friend_of_mine.mp3

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From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:38:35 GMT

On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 19:45:53 -0800, Joseph Littleshoes
 wrote:

>Was trolling the net for free music the other day and ran across this
>
>http://www.008.org.cn/up/he_was_a_friend_of_mine.mp3

Wow, that's a 10 megabyte file, Joseph! And I'm just on a 56kbps
modem. Aaarrrgh!

Okay, downloading it now. Will get back to you w/my opinion after an
enjoyable listen.


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From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:13:38 GMT

On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 19:45:53 -0800, Joseph Littleshoes
 wrote:

>Was trolling the net for free music the other day and ran across this
>
>http://www.008.org.cn/up/he_was_a_friend_of_mine.mp3

Actually, I'm not big on Willie Nelson OR country western in general.
Nonetheless, it's message was okay. Though IMO is way too WEAK on the
basic TRAGEDY referenced in the song. Far more direct and stronger
regarding the cruelty humans can inflict upon the innocent, including
those who have SO much to offer to make this world better:

http://www.agnesscott.edu/lriddle/women/hypatia.htm

================
Hypatia

Hypatia

370? - 415

Written by Ginny Adair, Class of 1998 (Agnes Scott College)

The life of Hypatia was one enriched with a passion for knowledge.
Hypatia was the daughter of Theon, who was considered one of the most
educated men in Alexandria, Egypt. Theon raised Hypatia in a world of
education. Most historians now recognize Hypatia not only as a
mathematician and scientist, but also as a philosopher.

Historians are uncertain of different aspects of Hypatia's life. For
example, Hypatia's date of birth is one that is highly debated. Some
historians believe that Hypatia was born in the year 370 AD. On the
other hand, others argue that she was an older woman (around 60) at
the time of her death, thus making her birth in the year 355 AD.

Throughout her childhood, Theon raised Hypatia in an environment of
thought. Historians believe that Theon tried to raise the perfect
human. Theon himself was a well known scholar and a professor of
mathematics at the University of Alexandria. Theon and Hypatia formed
a strong bond as he taught Hypatia his own knowledge and shared his
passion in the search for answers to the unknown. As Hypatia grew
older, she began to develop an enthusiasm for mathematics and the
sciences (astronomy and astrology).

Most historians believe that Hypatia surpassed her father's knowledge
at a young age. However, while Hypatia was still under her father's
discipline, he also developed for her a physical routine to ensure for
her a healthy body as well as a highly functional mind. In her
education, Theon instructed Hypatia on the different religions of the
world and taught her how to influence people with the power of words.
He taught her the fundamentals of teaching, so that Hypatia became a
profound orator. People from other cities came to study and learn from
her.

Hypatia's studies included astronomy, astrology, and mathematics.
References in letters by Synesius, one of Hypatia's students, credit
Hypatia with the invention of the astrolabe, a device used in studying
astronomy. However, other sources date this instrument back at least a
century earlier. Claudius Ptolemy wrote extensively on the projection
used on the plane astrolabe, and Hypatia's father wrote an astrolabe
treatise that was the basis for much of what was written later in the
Middle Ages. Hypatia did teach about astrolabes as Synesius had an
instrument made that was argueably a form of astrolabe.

Hypatia was known more for the work she did in mathematics than in
astronomy, primarily for her work on the ideas of conic sections
introduced by Apollonius. She edited the work On the Conics of
Apollonius, which divided cones into different parts by a plane. This
concept developed the ideas of hyperbolas, parabolas, and ellipses.
With Hypatia's work on this important book, she made the concepts
easier to understand, thus making the work survive through many
centuries. Hypatia was the first woman to have such a profound impact
on the survival of early thought in mathematics.

Hypatia lived in Alexandria when Christianity started to dominate over
the other religions. In the early 390's, riots broke out frequently
between the different religions. Cyril, a leader among the Christians,
and Orestes, the civil governor, opposed each other. Hypatia was a
friend of Orestes and it is believed that Cyril spread virulent rumors
about her. In 415 AD, on Hypatia's way home, a mob attacked her,
stripped her and killed her with pieces of broken pottery. Later, the
mob dragged her through the streets.

Hypatia's life ended tragically, however her life's work remained.
Later, Descartes, Newton, and Leibniz expanded on her work. Hypatia
made extraordinary accomplishments for a woman in her time.
Philosophers considered her a woman of great knowledge and an
excellent teacher.

December, 1995

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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: Joseph Littleshoes 
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 19:08:03 -0800

Chief Thracian wrote:

> On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 19:45:53 -0800, Joseph Littleshoes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>>Was trolling the net for free music the other day and ran across this
>>
>>http://www.008.org.cn/up/he_was_a_friend_of_mine.mp3
> 
> 
> Actually, I'm not big on Willie Nelson OR country western in general.
> Nonetheless, it's message was okay. Though IMO is way too WEAK on the
> basic TRAGEDY referenced in the song. Far more direct and stronger
> regarding the cruelty humans can inflict upon the innocent, including
> those who have SO much to offer to make this world better:
> 
> http://www.agnesscott.edu/lriddle/women/hypatia.htm

Sure, i agree, but not too many songs about that.  Black Sabbath "War Pigs?"

"Generals gathered in their pass's just like Witches at Black Mass's"

If i had not seen Brokeback Mountain that song would probly not impress me.

In a way we all die "on the road" metaphorically at the very least, 
fellow travellers and all that:)

I used to like Puccini's Un Bel Di till i read the English translation 
of the lyrics.  However my mind is so perverse i find 99 luft balloons 
exquisitely prophetic of the present geo-political situation.
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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: Joseph Littleshoes 
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:31:04 -0800

Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
> Chief Thracian wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 19:45:53 -0800, Joseph Littleshoes
>>  wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Was trolling the net for free music the other day and ran across this
>>>
>>> http://www.008.org.cn/up/he_was_a_friend_of_mine.mp3
>>
>>
>>
>> Actually, I'm not big on Willie Nelson OR country western in general.
>> Nonetheless, it's message was okay. Though IMO is way too WEAK on the
>> basic TRAGEDY referenced in the song. Far more direct and stronger
>> regarding the cruelty humans can inflict upon the innocent, including
>> those who have SO much to offer to make this world better:
>>
>> http://www.agnesscott.edu/lriddle/women/hypatia.htm
> 
> 
> Sure, i agree, but not too many songs about that.  Black Sabbath "War 
> Pigs?"
> 
> "Generals gathered in their pass's just like Witches at Black Mass's"
> 
> If i had not seen Brokeback Mountain that song would probly not impress me.
> 
> In a way we all die "on the road" metaphorically at the very least, 
> fellow travellers and all that:)
> 
> I used to like Puccini's Un Bel Di till i read the English translation 
> of the lyrics.  However my mind is so perverse i find 99 luft balloons 
> exquisitely prophetic of the present geo-political situation.
> -- 
> JL
> 

Though im tempted to think the very nature of government is symbolized 
by the balloon as much as any response to it as symbolized by Capt. Kirk 
and any "missile air defence" against an equaly symbolic & imaginary, 
illusionaeiry, propagandized, made up as you go along, invented for 
convieniencie only, "luftballon" enemy.

And that as much a metaphor for the individual as any larger structure 
one might apply it to.

How can any one have peace of mind if they are at war with themselves?

What the cause of this war might be, is of no moment for our thoughts, 
right now, but rather the acknowedgment of that "war" is essential to 
the text, sub - text and any hypothetical meta discusion.

The unfair, irrratinale, chaotic aspect of life must be acknowledged.

The ordered grace of mathmaticle precison tuned to the golden mean of 
3.145... is, needless to say, hardly worth mentioning, i mean, if one 
has to point it out its probly not understood by those to whom it is shown.

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99 Duesenjaeger
Jeder war ein grosser Krieger
Hielten sich fuer Captain Kirk
Das gab ein grosses Feuerwerk
Die Nachbarn haben nichts gerafft
Und fuehlten sich gleich angemacht
Dabei schoss man am Horizont
Auf 99 Luftballons

99 Knights of the air
Ride super-high-tech jet fighters
Everyone's a superhero.
Everyone's a Captain Kirk.
With orders to identify.
To clarify and classify.
Scramble in the summer sky.
As 99 red balloons go by.

99 Decision Street.
99 ministers meet.
To worry, worry, super-scurry.
Call the troops out in a hurry.
This is what we've waited for.
This is it boys, this is war.
The president is on the line
As 99 red balloons go by.
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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 04:10:15 GMT

On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:31:04 -0800, Joseph Littleshoes
 wrote:

>How can any one have peace of mind if they are at war with themselves?

As long as any society accepts homophobia as the norm, most citizens
will REMAIN at war with themselves. Regardless of how many other
serious issues have been resolved. Heck, even if all OTHER pertinent
issues have been resolved, they'd STILL be attacking each other as
long as homophobia is permitted (not to mention outrightly
SANCTIONED).

>The unfair, irrratinale, chaotic aspect of life must be acknowledged.

There is NOTHING unfair, irrational OR chaotic about life. We only
might PERCEIVE that as so. 

An incorrect perception, I might add.

>The ordered grace of mathmaticle precison tuned to the golden mean of 
>3.145... is, needless to say, hardly worth mentioning, i mean, if one 
>has to point it out its probly not understood by those to whom it is shown.

THAT'S pi in my face! Yummy.

"Whatever sins ye commit, shall be returned 3.145-fold." 
 - Law #8 of Moral Physics


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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 04:04:59 GMT

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 19:08:03 -0800, Joseph Littleshoes
 wrote:

>Sure, i agree, but not too many songs about that.  Black Sabbath "War Pigs?"
>
>"Generals gathered in their pass's just like Witches at Black Mass's"

Good points.

>If i had not seen Brokeback Mountain that song would probly not impress me.

My bone to pick with THAT movie, is it crudely affirmed the horrid
stereotype that ALL gay relationships create tragedy, and end in
tragedy. The move opened with gay bashing, and closed with same.

I believe that Hollywood did a gross INJUSTICE towards gay people, by
embedding the tragic outcome as homo-typical through a sensational
film that is more homophobic than gay friendly.

Worse yet: one of the guys who played one of the two gay cowboys,
Heath Ledger, is now dead, in what media claims was accidental death
by overdose. Really!

Tempting for right-wingers and other homophobes to conclude this is
what he gets, for portraying gay people in a positive light.

I'm highly suspicious about Ledger's death in real life, as the
audience is about the gay cowboy's death in that film.

>However my mind is so perverse i find 99 luft balloons 
>exquisitely prophetic of the present geo-political situation.

It's all over and I'm standing pretty.
In this dust that was a city.
If I could find a souvenier.
Just to prove the world was here.

Maybe you just are uniquely 
Aware,
And see 
the Bear,
When others only contemplate
His hair.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 06:56:25 GMT

On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:00:47 -0600, Midwinter
 wrote:

>No - she raised the same question I did, when you claimed that someone's 
>mentioning 'ass' represented an obsession with what *you* called 'male 
>private parts'.  Her point was simply that girls have asses too - 

Yes, SUCH an important contribution to the thread. Gives EVERY female
a bad name.

>A newspaper article identified the 
>activities of gay men as a possible risk factor in transmitting a new 
>variant of MRSA.  You took that warning as a personal affront, and that 
>has fed into your increasingly barking statements here.

I DO take it personally. It wasn't present as "possible", it was an
ATTACK. Code red! Light up the Castro to warn the world of the latest
queer plague! Besides, gays are NO MORE a possible risk factor than
your average healthy hetero! The risk factors I've already stated do
NOT include gays. They include athletes, pre-schoolers, the homeless,
and those who shoot up drugs.



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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: "Medusa Slox" 
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 19:01:47 -0500


"Chief Thracian"  wrote in message
news:47a2be20.6531194@amsterdam.newsgroups-download.com...
: On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:08:13 -0500, "Medusa Slox" 
: wrote:
:
: >I haven't said a fucking word about this subject.
:
: And yet here you are. Tossing trivial garbage into a serious matter.
: But what the fuck do YOU care whether gay people get massacred or not?
: You're just here to be the silly hetero byatch you are!


You wanna know what? You don't jack shit about me or what I've done.

Or maybe you do, and once you find out you'll feel like a COMPLETE ass.

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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 07:03:24 GMT

On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 19:01:47 -0500, "Medusa Slox" 
wrote:

>You wanna know what? You don't jack shit about me or what I've done.

Yet, here you are: your first post being some trivial blather. 

And THIS post a kneejerk response to my criticism.

That does NOT at all reflect someone who takes the persecution that
gays continue to suffer, with any degree of concern.
 

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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: "Medusa Slox" 
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 07:51:35 -0500


"Chief Thracian"  wrote in message
news:47a4154c.19004367@amsterdam.newsgroups-download.com...
: On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 19:01:47 -0500, "Medusa Slox" 
: wrote:
:
: >You wanna know what? You don't jack shit about me or what I've done.
:
: Yet, here you are: your first post being some trivial blather.
:
: And THIS post a kneejerk response to my criticism.
:
: That does NOT at all reflect someone who takes the persecution that
: gays continue to suffer, with any degree of concern.
:

Let me ask you: Have you ever been hospitalized because of injuries received
in defending a gay man who was being beaten with a brick?

When that happens, we'll talk.

Medusa Slox



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Subject: Re: Under Attack 2
From: chief_thracianNO@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 21:34:46 GMT

On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 07:51:35 -0500, "Medusa Slox" 
wrote:

>Let me ask you: Have you ever been hospitalized because of injuries received
>in defending a gay man who was being beaten with a brick?

I've been attacked and beaten various times by street thugs who are
homophobic. The latest attack could have killed me. It happened Dec.
23 2007. My account of the incident is in two articles:

Cold Cock / Hard Cock
http://www.gay-bible.org/truetales/Larkin/FG_06-K.htm

Lord of the Drug Rings
http://www.gay-bible.org/truetales/Larkin/FG_06-M.htm

There is a photo of my injury in that second account.

I've also stopped many an attack on the streets. I'm presently
exposing the criminal network that's taken over the Castro and South
of Market areas. They're very homophobic to say the least. I'm writing
a book about it, which can be viewed as a work in progress here:

Friendly Ghost Detective Agency
http://www.gay-bible.org/truetales/Larkin/FG_Friendly.htm


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