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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:34:28 GMT

On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:01:50 -0700, Jeffrey Croft
 wrote:

>You're right. As I said, there is no litmus test for finding a true healer,

 --------------------------------------------------------------
Permission granted by author for anyone to distribute this
writing free of charge (including translation into any
language)...under condition that no profit is made therefrom,
and that it remain intact and complete, including title and 
credit to the original author.

Ezekiel J. Krahlin
ezekielk@iname.com
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SAINT EUGENE AND THE ABUNDANT WELL
(A Parable For The 21st Century)

© 1997 by Ezekiel J. Krahlin
(Jehovah's Queer Witness)


     Once upon a time there was a village in the desert that
grew to metropolis size.  But while it was still a village it
experienced its first serious drought in the fourth year of
recorded history. Before The Drought they never conserved
water; after The Drought they did. Since 1 A.D. ("After" the
"Drought"), despite the corrective safeguard of separate
family wells linked with pipes to the Great Well (thus meted
and measured), there were some who grew too conservative, even
in times of abundant rain.  Ishmael was one of them.

     Now, Ishmael was surrounded by generous neighbors; as a
matter of fact the whole town was a union of generous
neighbors...even Ishmael, until The Devil planted a bad seed
in his heart.  It was in The Year of the Brimming Wells
(following the Great Rain)--a time when all people need not be
concerned about lack of water--that the Seed of Avarice
stirred in Ishmael's bosom. "Since we are each allotted 1
well-full of water per month, whether drought or abundance, we
must always plan and count our water use carefully, so as not
to become a burden to our neighbors," thought Ishmael.  "But,"
he continued, raising a finger to an imaginary accomplice, "if
I can find an unquestioned excuse to take water from a
neighbor for the first two weeks of every month, I will have
so much water that I'll need never conserve!"

     So Ishmael set his plan to task.  Coming up with an
ironclad excuse was tough...one that no one would question,
hence never bring to the attention of the Water Priests.  But
choosing a victim among his many generous neighbors took no
more time than the flip of a fly's wing. Ishmael's eyes lit
up:  "Eugene, the Town Fool, of course!"

     Eugene (the Town Fool) was born happy, and remained that
way.  No one ever knew why he laughed so much, so they wrote
it off to mental retardation and put him on SSI.  Eugene took
everyone at their word, and therefore was the perfect dupe for
Ishmael's devious scheme.

     At the time of Ishmael's plan, a species of large frog
was migrating across the desert territory, occasionally
clogging some of the irrigation pipes that connected the Great
Well to individual wells. Though it never took more than two
days to clear any number of frogs (and their eggs) from a
conduit they currently occupied, it was common during those
months for neighbors with unplugged lines to provide some
water to those whose wells were stopped.

     Hence, Ishmael was assisted in his scheme by a freak of
nature; so it was easy for him to convince Eugene that his
well was stopped up with frogs.  Eugene, of course, never
questioned Ishmael's daily requests for water...not even when
his own well was only a quarter full by the fifteenth of the
month.

     By the second month, the seed in Ishmael's heart had
taken root in the hearts of his neighbors...but Eugene never
questioned their motive, even though his well was only an
eighth full by the fifteenth.  By the third month, the entire
village (except the Water Priests) was knocking on Eugene's
door every day...and Eugene's well was down to only a
bucketful by the fifteenth. Meanwhile, Ishmael gloated over
the abundance of water now in his well, so that he could
splash away to his heart's content, heedless to the other
villagers' use of Eugene's well...or to the probability of
Eugene dying of thirst.  Needless to say, everyone acted like
Ishmael at this point (except the Town Fool, of course).

     This continued month after month, and Eugene laughed
through it all, ladling a bucket of water for anyone who
knocked.  Even when down to only a bucketful, his well still
provided enough water to meet everyone's needs, including his
own.  A year passed since the advent of Ishmael's scheme...but
no one had yet stopped to wonder why Eugene's well never ran
dry. But Eugene kept chuckling, knowing with absolute clarity
that the day would come when everyone must acknowledge the
miracle of his well, and from whence the water came.



-----finis



---
Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says:
"Throw the hetero over the fence some hay."
---
The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only:
http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/
I come like a thief in the night!
---
Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass
for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts!
http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm

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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:55:44 GMT

On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:01:50 -0700, Jeffrey Croft
 wrote:

>> >I don't think you'd find real shamans on usenet saying things like, "I do
>> >a whole lot of things of a healing nature." I don't think real shamans
>> >have any need to toot their own horn.

I am only preparing you for my next step. Are you, or are you not, yet
ready to hear the Christ speak directly through me? (I am not
addressing you, so much as I am addressing *all participants herein.)
I am in no rush. However, I inevitably will make my angelic
proclamations, soon enough, with or without your readiness. My spirits
say this will start in one week...but I am welcome to start now. Do
you want me to, or not? 

I think it would be kinda fun, to commence slightly prematurely...as
I'd love to have others share in the early part of this great cosmic
adventure, before the masses do. It's like letting someone in on a
secret. You will know what's going on, when no one else around you
does...and know what is to follow. I can tell you everything...I have
a direct T1 uplink to God. 

Ready or not, here we come!

P.S.: If I'm a fool, I'm a fool for God! And what an honor that is.
Fools rush in where...


---
Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says:
"Throw the hetero over the fence some hay."
---
The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only:
http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/
I come like a thief in the night!
---
Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass
for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts!
http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm

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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: sheroux@europa.nospam.com (RavensHeart)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:25:10 GMT

On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:55:44 GMT, ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel
Krahlin) wrote:

>On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:01:50 -0700, Jeffrey Croft
> wrote:
>
>>> >I don't think you'd find real shamans on usenet saying things like, "I do
>>> >a whole lot of things of a healing nature." I don't think real shamans
>>> >have any need to toot their own horn.
>
>I am only preparing you for my next step. Are you, or are you not, yet
>ready to hear the Christ speak directly through me? (I am not
>addressing you, so much as I am addressing *all participants herein.)
>I am in no rush. However, I inevitably will make my angelic
>proclamations, soon enough, with or without your readiness. My spirits
>say this will start in one week...but I am welcome to start now. Do
>you want me to, or not? 
>
No, No, No.  Forget the "hear" part of it.  You promised we'd actually
SEE the proof of all you nonsense.  Don't change the parameters now.

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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: Jeffrey Croft 
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:52:57 -0700

Ezekiel Krahlin wrote:

> I am only preparing you for my next step. Are you, or are you not, yet
> ready to hear the Christ speak directly through me? (I am not
> addressing you, so much as I am addressing *all participants herein.)
> I am in no rush. However, I inevitably will make my angelic
> proclamations, soon enough, with or without your readiness. My spirits
> say this will start in one week...but I am welcome to start now. Do
> you want me to, or not?

Hmmm. If you wanna post some stuff, I'll look it over, but I don't take your
words as coming from deity any more than I take the words of anyone else to be
the words of deity.

Also, it would help me out a great deal if you'd change your terminology. It may
be unevolved of me, but I was raised in a very staunch religious household and
for me, the word "Christ" conjures up images of handcuffs (and not in a good way
;) ) much more easily than it conjures up images of deity.

> I think it would be kinda fun, to commence slightly prematurely...as
> I'd love to have others share in the early part of this great cosmic
> adventure, before the masses do. It's like letting someone in on a
> secret. You will know what's going on, when no one else around you
> does...and know what is to follow. I can tell you everything...I have
> a direct T1 uplink to God.

I believe everyone has a connection to God. I don't think you're unique in that
at all.

Jeff
jdcroft@*nospam*.best.com



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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:57:37 GMT

On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:01:50 -0700, Jeffrey Croft
 wrote:

>> >I don't think you'd find real shamans on usenet saying things like, "I do
>> >a whole lot of things of a healing nature." I don't think real shamans
>> >have any need to toot their own horn.

If anyone we know of lives in or near San Francisco, I would be glad
to meet him (or her)...and he (or she), can evaluate me firsthand,
then report back here.


---
Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says:
"Throw the hetero over the fence some hay."
---
The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only:
http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/
I come like a thief in the night!
---
Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass
for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts!
http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm

========
Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 19:57:36 GMT

On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:52:57 -0700, Jeffrey Croft
 wrote:

>Hmmm. If you wanna post some stuff, I'll look it over, but I don't take your
>words as coming from deity any more than I take the words of anyone else to be
>the words of deity.

As you wish.

>Also, it would help me out a great deal if you'd change your terminology. It may
>be unevolved of me, but I was raised in a very staunch religious household and
>for me, the word "Christ" conjures up images of handcuffs (and not in a good way
>;) ) much more easily than it conjures up images of deity.

I already addressed myself as "Lucifer", the original being...to show
that I am speaking of a more complex concept of Christ. There are many
people who perceive an alternative Christ to the one that
fundamentalists portray (see "The Aquarian Age Bible", and "The Gospel
According to Thomas". Also, read some Gnostic writings). You are quite
capable of conjuring up *other images of Christ...thus I don't feel
any obligation to shape things to suit you alone. There is no religion
or other world view that has not done damage as equally as
Christianity...and this includes atheist societies. Do I think of
"hand cuffs" when I think of atheism...even though atheist Russia
killed off over 10 million Ukranians? No, I do not. I can see the
bigger picture.

>I believe everyone has a connection to God. I don't think you're unique in that
>at all.

Of course not. Didn't I already say we each have a spark of God in us?
But that does not mean I am supposed to pretend I am as unevolved as
the least evolved among us. I am unique in my own gifts,
regardless...and I am duty bound to say what I must say, regardless of
what people think. Enjoy the ride, I will now speak as "Christ":

------------------------

Okay, for one: my manifestation as Jesus Christ was to fulfill God's
descent to humanity, to suffer along with his creation...in other
words, to humble himself before us. He lived and died as a vulnerable
human being, that he must experience the full breadth of a mortal,
conscious being. As he is above us all as creator, he is also below us
all, as our foundation...from the tip of Mt. Olympus, to the bottom of
the dregs of our sewers. He loves us all, and excludes no one.

Now, I am also, and more importantly so, the prince of all that is
magical: from the elves, to the dragons, to the spooks and goblins
behind every tree and tombstone.  I am, that is, The Angel Of Light,
God's first begat...Lucifer. The battle against God, that is, good vs.
evil, was planned and arranged by the Father and Son. Lucifer knew
what he was doing all along, as he was following God's plan, by
playing the role of tempter. He never really rebelled against our
creator in his heart. Thus began the dual roles of Lucifer and God, in
various incarnations and mythologies...better explained by beliefs
other than Christian (unless you are somewhat of a scholar on these
matters).

Did not Christ say in the New Testament, "The keys to heaven and hell
are in my hands". This was a clue that he plays both the role of the
devil and the savior. He also said, "When I return there will be many
who say, 'Lord, haven't we done good works in your name?'; and I will
say 'Be gone with you, I know you not!'" Christ, therefore, predicted
the corruption of the churches, especially in the end times. One must
conclude then, that very few Christians are actually good people,
these days. Or, if they're well-meaning, they're still not very
socially conscious. Therefore, Christ will liberate many people, most
of them not Christian by label.

Christ is many things to many people: Krishna to the Hindus, Buddha to
the Chinese, Allah to the Arabs, The Great Father to the Native
Americans, and so on ad infinitum. He is also non-God, non-being, to
those with atheist beliefs. Our creator celebrates diversity,
including diversity of world views. Atheism holds a vital place in the
human experience, without which many truths could not be known. There
is no single world view, including Christianity, that owns a monopoly
on the keys to truth. Both religion and science, in their ideal forms,
are a search for truth, and thus not really ever in conflict. But
either can become corrupt as well, and used to control people for evil
ends.

The crucifixion is the story of every man and every woman...for being
conscious in life, is a crucifixion...for which we must learn to
overcome by our own inner resources. Transcend the life which is
death, into the life which is life! The kingdom of heaven is within,
ergo so is the kingdom of hell. Liberation, heaven, nirvana, etc., is
a matter of attitude and nothing else. Believe from your heart, and
your soul will someday take wing, in this life or in the next. Inner
transformation precedes outer transformation. Your heart must take
wing before your shoulder blades ever do.

One of Christ's favorite manifestations is as Pegasus, the delightful
and mischievous winged horse from Greek Mythology. God and His Son
blessed the Greeks many times over, with all sorts of great legends,
adventures, and lofty ideas. You may find more truth about the human
psyche from the Greek myths, than from any other culture's religion or
saga. (Also, please notice the similar spelling of "Zeus" and
"Jesus".)

Our friend Zeke here (through whose fingers I now type), did something
marvelous for the sake of another man's suffering soul...this other
man being Randolph Taylor. Zeke took the burdens of a Vietnam veteran
onto his own shoulders, and almost went insane and died from so
doing...considering he was then bearing, along with his own
schizophrenia and mania/depression, the same things from another,  in
much worse forms. 

His love and bravery for years, finally moved the very heart of God,
and so has summoned the angels to this world. Zeke has won the Golden
Apple so to speak (a.k.a. The Holy Grail, Sword of Excalibur, etc.).
He has had many incredible visions, which he has just begun to
describe in his essays, tales and poems on his web site. These are the
beginning of a new mythology that will honor gay people...and become
the book "The Final Testament". His adventures in these visions are
actually his spiritual odyssey on which he goes on great
adventures...many of which he has yet to remember, for his spirit
often performs feats of which his conscious part knows not...and will
not for a little more time.

What is the reward for Zeke, now? Well, his dream to have Randolph as
his lover will come true. Indeed, Randy is thought to have died in
1993...but the obituary about him was a sham, as we have already told
Zeke (in a vision)...and Randolph will soon come back to him. But
these two love birds will also play the role of liberators for the gay
community, and head a worldwide gay revolution that shall soon start,
and reach a climax some time in 1999. You see, he who wins the Golden
Apple, gets to play "Christ for a Day"...and Randolph gets to play
"God for a Day". Only the "day" will last for a considerable number of
months, perhaps years.

This will be lots of fun (for those in on the joke), as Zeke will be
seen by our Christian fundamentalists as the devil incarnate...the
antichrist, the false christ! And Zeke intends to whip 'em good! 

In the next two months: many gays will grow aware of their great
calling to liberate the world. God will empower them to be
unstoppable, invincible, and victorious in every way. We (gays) shall
take over the media, and have a blast! We'll have those bible thumpers
running scared, with nowhere to hide!  Zeke will now describe for us
the vision wherein he partook of the Golden Apple. Hit it, Zeke:

This is my dream:

-------------------------------------------------
HOW PEGASUS TOOK ME TO THE HALLS OF VALHALLA,
AND HOW I CAME TO EAT THE GOLDEN APPLE


Pegasus appears in my room; he is the size of a pony (with wings of
course). Communication is in some form of telepathy. He asks me to
climb onto his back, where he'll take me for a ride. I say "Oh, I
couldn't do that. I don't deserve such an honor." Pegasus says he'll
cry if I don't...and, not wanting to hurt or offend this wonderful
being, I then comply. Riding his back, we fly way beyond the sky, and
into the celestial filed of stars. So I says to Peggy, "Are you taking
us to Mt. Olympus?" And he replies, "No, Valhalla". 

"Valhalla?" I say, "But you're from Greek mythology, not Norse. What's
going on here?" 

"We are presently fighting a war in the heavens, and the Greeks lost a
battle, so Mt. Olympus is now under siege by the dark forces," Pegasus
remarked.  "So the Hellenic gods and goddesses sought refuge in
Valhalla." (But I am thinking, "What an excuse to get laid by some
Nordic hunks. Those clever Greeks are at it again!")

We finally land before the enormous gate that is the entrance to the
Halls of Valhalla. Pegasus disappeared to parts unknown, while I stand
by the gate as it slowly opens. Out steps a most handsome man in a
white toga with purple geometric decorations on the hems.  I know him
to be Zeus, who greets me by lifting his robe to reveal the family
jewels. Needless to say, I find him to be quite handsome in that area
as well...however, I am not about to give away any sign of weakness,
so I just shrug my shoulders and say, "Okay, so what. Hello to you
to!"

I am then led into the first room of The Hall, where about eight gods
and goddesses sit at a long table, as if ready to question and judge
me. A goddess (Hera perhaps) questions me: "Mortal! How dare you
presume upon us to ask a favor! This better be good, or you'll be
table scrap for Cerberus!"

I then present my case, which is for the gods to show mercy upon a man
I dearly love: Randolph Louis Taylor, a Vietnam Veteran who has been
suffering post traumatic stress disorder for many years now, in most
gruesome ways. I plead to give this man some love and hope in his
life, considering his noble stature and dedication to his ideals. He
has more than earned forgiveness for what former sins he committed by
killing innocent people in Vietnam. And I go into detail as to why I
believe this is so.

Then these lofty beings put me through numerous scathing and seemingly
impossible tasks (like they did to Hercules)...most of which I cannot
remember (but which I believe are metaphors for the challenges that
shall be presented to me in my waking life...and which may take years
to experience...and includes believing that Randolph died, and how I
would deal with it). But I do remember two tasks:

(1)  I am cast into the lakes of hell, to possibly suffer for all
eternity, in order to ensure that Randolph is cleansed of his sins.
The only thing that will free me is if my love for him is sincere, and
not just physical lust. (To the best of my knowledge, part of me
remains there, and always will.)

(2)  The judges order me to play the most beautiful piece of music
they have ever heard, on a cheap little toy piano I purchased at
Walgreens for $4. It is only five inches long, with eight little
buttons representing piano keys, and computer chips play little bell
sounds. Now, I am neither a musician, nor could this instrument play
anything beautiful...or so I first think. But then I realize that
since we are all speaking to each other with telepathy, then possibly
I could just hypnotize them into believing they are listening to the
most lovely music they ever heard. So I begin tapping on the bells
randomly, while thinking very hard at them: "Isn't this the most heart
rending music you've ever heard? Doesn't your heart take wing? Aren't
you touched to the depth of your soul to hear such a fine  melody of
love and devotion?" 

Soon, they all weep, exclaiming, "Ooooh, that is just so lovely!'
While they are momentarily enraptured, I take this opportunity to dash
through a door at the distant end of this enormous chamber...and find
that I have stumbled into the *kitchen of Valhalla! On top of a pantry
shelf sits a cookie jar, which immediately inspires me to slide a
chair over towards it, step on the chair, then carefully pull the
cookie jar off its perch. I lift the lid to find: a single, tiny crab
apple colored gold. For a moment I forget my present dilemma, as I
admire the exquisite beauty of this tiny pome, nested between
forefinger and thumb.

Suddenly, the kitchen door bursts open with the gods/goddesses staring
at me open mouthed. "Quick! Grab him!". With that, I swallow the tiny
apple, and they all freeze in shock.

"He ate the golden apple! He ate the golden apple! There is nothing
for us to do now, it is too late!"
-------------------------------------------------

Thus ends my dream. But there was a "follow-up" dream I had, several
years later:

-------------------------------------------------
Again, I am standing in the first hall of Valhalla, where I stood
before the judges. Only this time, no one is present at the table. In
fact, all of Valhalla seems totally vacant, with the wind howling
through only empty rooms and hallways. It saddens me to see a place so
once full of life and adventure, now totally devoid of any spirit. 

So I stroll towards the kitchen, enter it, and find the cookie jar
where I had left it so long ago. Inside the jar that I thought empty,
I find a *second golden crab apple. Something tells me to swallow that
one, too. So I gulp it down. Not knowing what else to do, I stare all
around and think, "I miss you guys. I never wanted this to happen; I
only wanted to save the soul of a friend."

Then I hear their voices speak lightly from my stomach! They say, "You
have won the golden apple. Valhalla is all yours to do with what you
will!"

And I reply, "But I never wanted to conquer you...I only wanted  your
understanding in a matter more important to me than anything else in
the world. I never wanted to have Valhalla for myself...especially not
without the wonderful, enchanting presence of you, the fantastic gods
and goddess of old! Without you, there can be no party!"

With that, they all emerge from my belly, like a flood of ghosts from
a well...and the Halls are soon filled with merriment and mischief
once more...filled with the laughter, love, and adventurous spirit of
our creators and vindicators. Only one thing is now different from
before: instead of dressed in the classical garb of ancient Greek
custom, they wear the contemporary clothes of modern Amerika: Levis
and T-shirts.

-------------------------------------------------

There you have a sample of my dream quests, visions, or whatever you
want to call them. Next time, I will tell you of my adventure with the
"cloak of invisibility"...how I acquired it, and what I first used it
for (to visit the Bedrooms of the Gods)!

P.S.: I hope you appreciate that the tales I now tell, I have not
written down before. So the readers of this thread have the honor of
beholding my fantastic dream quests, before anyone else can. I've been
meaning to write these spirit adventures down...but I've only done a
few so far, which you can find on my web site's writing section at

	http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/write.htm

So, I will use this as the opportunity to finally write about all the
ones I can remember, but have yet to record.


---
Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says:
"Throw the hetero over the fence some hay."
---
The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only:
http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/
I come like a thief in the night!
---
Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass
for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts!
http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm

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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: Jeffrey Croft 
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 17:44:00 -0700

Ezekiel Krahlin wrote:

> On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:52:57 -0700, Jeffrey Croft
>  wrote:
>
> >Hmmm. If you wanna post some stuff, I'll look it over, but I don't take your
> >words as coming from deity any more than I take the words of anyone else to be
> >the words of deity.
>
> As you wish.



I changed my mind. I won't read any of it.

        Jeff
jdcroft@*nospam*.best.com



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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:34:00 GMT

On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 17:44:00 -0700, Jeffrey Croft
 wrote:

>I changed my mind. I won't read any of it.

Apparantly, you are not meant to. Your mind has just been deflected
from reading it, and the angel so doing this, has also made you
believe it was by your own volition.

Nonetheless, I'm on a roll, and shall continue writing down my past
visions, and posting them here.


---
Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says:
"Throw the hetero over the fence some hay."
---
The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only:
http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/
I come like a thief in the night!
---
Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass
for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts!
http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm

========
Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 20:07:10 GMT

If Jesus came to San Francisco
STEPHANIE SALTER
Examiner columnist
Sept. 17, 1998
(c) 1998 San Francisco Examiner

URL:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/examiner/archive/1998/09/17/EDITORIAL5562.dtl

SOMETIMES, JUST to stay sane, I imagine what it would be like if Jesus
came back, physically, among us. Would he spend his time condemning
homosexuality and women preachers - something he never did the last
time around - or would he stick to his main message that we should
love God and our neighbor and care for the poor, sick and imprisoned?

The Rev. Declan Deane, one courageous Jesuit priest from St. Monica's
parish in Moraga, did some similar imagining last month as part of the
West Coast Call to Action convention in Belmont.

Based in Chicago, Call to Action is a group of nuns, brothers, laity
and a few priests. In 1996, the group was among many cited by the
bishop of Lincoln, Neb., as "perilous to and incompatible with the
Catholic faith" and a cause for excommunication. Why? As part of their
quest for a more inclusive, Christ-like faith, the group's members
encourage discussion of such subjects as the second-class citizenship
of Catholic females. Pope John Paul II has declared that such
discussions by Catholic faithful violate the church's "infallible"
teachings.

In a homily delivered during the convention's closing Mass, Deane
imagined Jesus landing at San Francisco International and heading to
the Commonwealth Club where he is a substitute for the originally
scheduled speaker - "Deepak Shupra," who was to have lectured on
"Finding Peace of Mind." When Jesus hears that his lecture fee is
$25,000, he says: "Go and disperse it among the poor and homeless in
the street."

During his lecture, he tells the audience that they can find peace of
mind by avoiding greed in all forms. He advises them to sell all their
possessions and give everything to the poor. The audience grouses that
Deepak Shupra would have been more inspiring.

Next, Jesus is invited to dinner with all The City's religious leaders
by the archbishop of San Francisco. Jesus says he can't come that
night because he's already agreed to have dinner at a restaurant in
the Castro "with some of his friends from the gay and lesbian,
bisexual and transgender community." He invites the religious leaders
to join him, but they decline.

After that, everywhere Jesus goes, he is followed by protesters from
the Christian Coalition. They carry signs that claim: "This is not the
Christ. He welcomes sinners and dines with them."

Jesus visits prisoners in San Quentin and talks about the sanctity of
all human life "from the unborn child in the womb to my humble friends
on Death Row." Before long, he has "alienated both liberals and
conservatives." The number of his followers decreases.

Among those who don't desert Jesus are a group of faithful women. So
obvious is their presence, Jesus is questioned by the Vatican's U.S.
representative, the papal nunzio. He tells Jesus the women are "giving
a bad impression" because it looks like Jesus thinks they can be
ministers equally with men.

Jesus quotes St. Paul: "In Christ there is neither male nor female,
but all are one in him." The papal nunzio asks: "Do you think you know
better than the Holy Father (the pope)?" Jesus says: "Before the Holy
Father was, I am."

In a few hours, Jesus is under investigation by the Vatican's keeper
of Catholic orthodoxy, the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the
Faith.

Over the next few days, Jesus recommends that people become more
child-like. He eats dinner at the home of a Mafia godfather, who
promptly gives half of what he owns to the poor and pledges to pay
back all whom he has defrauded "four times over." Jesus pronounces the
man a "child of God" and is denounced by politicians as a "dangerous
radical." The FBI starts trailing him.

Then Jesus heals the servant of a Muslim after he says he can tell
that Jesus is "from God." Jesus lauds the Muslim's faith. Jesus
receives death threats and must flee San Francisco for another place.

End of Fr. Deane's homily.

In July, Pope John Paul II issued a couple of pronouncements aimed
primarily at curbing liberal clergy and theologians in the United
States. One declared that teachings that deviate from Catholicism's
"definitive truths" - bans on euthanasia, female priests and sex
outside of marriage - violate church law. Transgressors can be
punished with anything from a warning to excommunication.

Father Deane did his imagining in front of 300 people and allowed his
homily to be reprinted. As I said, he is one brave priest.



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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: Jeffrey Croft 
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:47:53 -0700

Ezekiel Krahlin wrote:

> If Jesus came to San Francisco
> STEPHANIE SALTER
> Examiner columnist
> Sept. 17, 1998
> (c) 1998 San Francisco Examiner
>
> URL:
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/examiner/archive/1998/09/17/EDITORIAL5562.dtl

I'm guessing you posted this article in a vain attempt to compare yourself to Christ.

I'm also guessing that Christ wouldn't be on usenet telling people that their world is small and
that their definition of shaman is limited. He also wouldn't threaten to put people in blenders.

Zeke, your comparison has failed. Better luck next time.

      Jeff
jdcroft@*nospam*.best.com



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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 08:25:23 GMT

On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:47:53 -0700, Jeffrey Croft
 wrote:

>> URL:
>> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/examiner/archive/1998/09/17/EDITORIAL5562.dtl
>
>I'm guessing you posted this article in a vain attempt to compare yourself to Christ.

You don't have to pussy-foot around by guessing...just spit it out!

>I'm also guessing that Christ wouldn't be on usenet telling people that their world is small and
>that their definition of shaman is limited. 

Well guess what...he is, now. Through me.

>He also wouldn't threaten to put people in blenders.

Would he not? I find that no different than his rage at the salesmen
in the temples...when he knocked over their stalls.

>Zeke, your comparison has failed. 

Has it now? Because you say so? Really?

>Better luck next time.

Who needs luck when I got something a lot better: God's love and
defense. Take it on the chin, and you'll be just fine. By the way,
here's a hilarious site I highly recommend, as it is delightfully
outrageous and funny:

	The Bastard Son of the Lord
	http://www.trog.com/jesus/

You will laugh, you will laugh, you will laugh....unless you take
Jesus a tad too seriously.



---
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"Throw the hetero over the fence some hay."
---
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http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/
I come like a thief in the night!
---
Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass
for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts!
http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm

========
Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 11:18:37 GMT

On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 17:44:00 -0700, Jeffrey Croft
 wrote:

>I changed my mind. I won't read any of it.

Truly, it is your loss, and your loss alone. As I already said: my
angels say you don't deserve to read my writings...hence caused you to
think it was your own idea not to read that message. Go ahead, test my
claim: try to read that message, and I'll bet you'll get stopped dead
in your tracks. Every time you try to read it, you'll be suddenly
distracted by some other activity or person...or the system will
freeze up, forcing you to reboot...or you can't find the message...or,
if you really persist, the computer will short circuit, whereby you'll
have one permanently damaged, good-for-nothing system.

However, it is unlikely you'll be able to read *this message, or at
least get this far...before you are inspired once again, to read no
more than the first sentence. However, I am writing this for the
benefit of *others less sadistic than yourself...and for their
amusement.

Do ignore the rest of this message.

-----------------------------------------
HOW I CAME TO ACQUIRE THE CLOAK OF INVISIBILITY,
AND HOW I FIRST PUT IT TO USE

Actually, I'm not really sure how I acquired the damn Cloak, but it
must have been a reward for one of my Oddyssey adventures, which the
gods have deemed be erased from my memory until a future time. I
believe it was woven from Ariadne's thread tossed aside in a forgotten
ball, once Theseus made his escape from the Labyrinth. But who wove
it, and who gave it the power to make one invisible? And who presented
it to me, and for what accomplishment? Alas, these truths remain
hidden to me for a while longer...thus I must proceed with my tale
without the benefit of any history. (Perhaps it was my spill in the
river Lethe, battling some sort of beast or another, that washed away
these memeories.) 

The Cloak itself is velvet black, with a honey shimmer to it...as if
some of the Golden Fleece were woven into its threads. It *belongs to
me...it *knows it belongs to me...as whenever I fling it about myself,
it *knows how to fall upon my body in only the most artful and
graceful manner. It complements, it embraces, it cherishes me with
kind caresses, and never clings! Yet it slides off with not a moment
of yield, once I release my grasp, and falls graciously to the floor
with a pleasant "whoosh". Neither static-y nor cling-y, no dirt or
dust ever gathers upon it...for which I conclude the unknown existence
of some Polyester blend goddess (perhaps the offspring of that rotten
cyclops Polyphemus, who once chased after some lovely trifle of a
mortal named Esther. Perhaps the Cloak's power of invisibility came
from the blinding of this cyclops by Odysseus.).

So I stand on the banks of the River Lethe, contemplating all the
delicious adventures that will be mine, as the invisible voyeur of
others' adventures...when along comes fickle Eros. As I am presently
concealed beneath the Cloak, he passes right by me without knowing I'm
even  there...except for my stepping in his way, for which he is
unexpectedly knocked over. After gathering his arrows, Eros stands up,
stares at my new gift of the Cloak of Invisibility...and after a few
moments says, "I have a great idea where you could use that Cloak."
("And where could that be?" I think.) 

"The Bedrooms of the Gods, of course," brags Eros, "why, you could
write the steamiest novels the world has ever seen, by merely
recounting what you witness! You'd be an overnight sensation, a
romance novelist par excellance, and a multimillionaire to boot!" ("I
would also know what tickles Apollo's sexual fancies." I mused, as one
mortal who is very hot for a particular deity or two.)

"Oh, yes, why, the benefits to your personal life would be enormous,"
admits Eros. "You would have any God you want by the balls, and caress
them whenever you please! I must apologize for tempting you with mere
lucre, Ezekiel...as I know you value the immaterial over the material,
as should any seeker after truth. Now, just think what all the money
could do for the poor, the lame, and the downtrodden!" ("Then let's
go," I think, "you need not convince me further...I'm hot to trot!")

We arrive at the Bedroom Palace (teleportation? flight? memory still
hazy, try again later) somewhere on some side of lofty Mount
Olympus...which contains chamber after chamber, to satisfy even the
most finicky demands of privacy for which any goddess or god could
wish. Solid, thick oak doors painted eggshell white and trimmed in
gold, are so sturdy not even Hephaestus's thunderbolts could batter
them down. "Let me show you the bedroom where Apollo and Zeus do the
nasty", Eros leads me down a long, long hallway until we reach a room
whose door he pushes ajar. I hesitate.

"Go right in, no one's home. I'm right behind you" whispers Eros,
nudging me through the entrance. We stand amid silken tapestry and
drapes of purest white, purple, and gray that grace tall windows and
an oversized bed against the far end of the room. Rose-scented candles
in sconces and on small tables lend a soft, gentle light to the entire
room. Eros guides me into a closet large enough to fit a banquet table
and all its guests. "You can hide here, in their wardrobe," speaks
Eros. "That, plus your Cloak to shield you, will make you completely
secure from their finding you."

I am about to ask some pertinent questions...such as how long do they
partake in their love making...when Eros suddenly jumps back, says "I
hear them coming"...then quick as a flash disappears. I am left
standing amid all the masculine trappings of war gods: the musky scent
of leather and rough cloth soaked in godly sweat nearly puts me into a
heavenly swoon! But I stand determined to witness what no mortal eyes
have ever witnessed before: Zeus dicking the daylights out of Apollo!
(Or is Zeus a bottom? Or are they more egalitarian in bed, than
elsewhere? Do they like to french kiss? How much foreplay? Or are they
rough and ready from the get-go? These juicy details, and much more, I
am soon to find out!)

I hear voices and the door creak open, then shut. The Cloak of
Invisibility is fully flung over my frame as I stand, shaking, knees
wobbling, in anticipation of my daring plunder into the most personal
aspect of the lives of gods! A deep voice booms:

"I don't remember leaving the door open, do you? Is anyone here?" I
stand, frozen, barely breathing. "Check the closet." Arms push around
the voluminous clothing sliding on their hangers, but fortunately pass
right by the spot on which I stand. I cannot see who it is: Apollo or
Zeus? Not that I can't see through my Cloak (or course I can), but the
clothes shielding me that cover the Cloak block my view! Drat! I need
to move a little  forward...well, let's wait till they calm down and
get to bed.

"Uh, hey stud...get that door will ya. I think we should, uh, mess
around for a time. Don't you?" I hear them disrobe: the gentle "shush"
of togas falling, and the rattle of buckles. Again, one (I can't see
who) approaches the closet and plunks a heavy sword against the
wall...it slides and crashes right onto my foot! Ouch! I better hold
my breathe! Ouch! Damn fuckin' sword...must weigh as much as a
horse...my *foot is *throbbing, god, this ain't so much fun any more!
Egads! Ouch, ouch ouch!

I can't help myself; a moan wells up from my throat. 

"Wait! Did you hear that?" 

"What? Who could hear anything after that sword crashing? No, I didn't
hear anything." 

"Well, I heard something, and it came from that closet!" 

"And just what do you think you heard, little missy?"

(Little missy? One of them's a fem? I can't believe this! Wait'll I
get my book published! Uh-oh, he's coming back to the closet!)

"Huh, maybe it was just an echo." Arms swoosh through the clothing
once more, and I stand frozen in fear. "Wait, what's this?"

"What's what? Lemme see what you're talking about."

I still can't see either one of the gods, though their very breaths
warm the cloak under which I tremble.

"Okay, whoever you are, come out of there now...we see you!"

(They do? I don't believe them, they're calling my bluff. After all,
no one's grabbing at me.)

"We can see your feet, fool! Look!"

(I look down and lo and behold! The Cloak of Invisibility hangs its
hem just inches above my toes. I am not completely covered! I sigh,
and drop the Cloak, and all pretense...and step out from behind the
wardrobe, to see...not gods but goddesses! What the hell is this all
about?)

"Who are you?" the busty redhead wrapped in a sheet demands.

"Ezekiel." I say. "Uhhh...Ezekiel Joseph Krahlin, madame."

"Madame? You call the great goddess of the sacred hunt, Artemis,
'madame'? Just where do you come from, little Ezekiel?" speaks the
other, a voluptuous nymph of seaweed hair and piercing green eyes.

"Ummm...San Francisco, planet earth...that is, in my waking life. At
present, I presume I'm in one of my vision dreams."

"One of *your vision dreams? Ha!" mocks Artemis, "Tell us who put you
up to this before I feed you to the Harpies!"

I wasn't about to reveal my source...not when I'd have the wrath of
yet another god upon my soul. So I just stood there, trembling, but
lips firmly shut.

"Eros, eh? I should have known! That little imp is always messing up
Mt. Olympus whenever he gets the chance!"

Too bad, they can read my mind. ("He told me this was the bedroom of
Zeus and Apollo." I thought.)

"That's your excuse, mangy mortal?" hollered Artemis. "You were going
to spy on gods? This mounts to hubris of the highest order. I hope you
realize the consequences of your heinous act!"

"Ummm...being tied to a big rock and having a vulture pluck out my
liver for all eternity?" I ventured a guess.

Then Artemis, taken aback, first glances at the nymph, then at me,
than again at her nymph...and they both burst out in laughter. "Come
here, Ezekiel", Artemis gently takes my arm, and leads me to a chair
where she urges me to sit.

"No harm shall come to you, mischievous mortal. It is Eros who should
take the blame. I have a plan for vengence, but it will take me some
minutes to work it out. Please enjoy Sylvia's company in the
meantime...I'll be back shortly." And with a wide grin on her beatific
face, Artemis departs.

Sylvia and I have a heartfelt conversation about the homeless lesser
gods in Olympus, and what can possibly be done about it...and finally,
after about fifteen minutes, Artemis returns. "Boy have I got a treat
for you, Ezekiel." and she tugs my arm in a wish to escort me to parts
yet unknown to me.

Artemis, Sylvia, and I proceed down the enormous hallway, to yet
another heavy wooden door, through which we enter. There, tied by his
four limbs to the bedposts of a bed, knees Eros on all fours, doggie
style. "He's all yours for the next twenty minutes, Ezekiel. I'm sure
you'll know what to do!"

And I do indeed...for fifteen of the most beautiful minutes of my
life, in constant orgasm and sheer erotic bliss! And this experience
has shown me why, when spelled backwards, Eros means "sore"! He's a
damned good ass-rimmer too, I might add...that buddy Eros of mine.

And that ends the story of my winning the Cloak of Invisibility, how I
first used it, and how I lost it in the heat of the moment...before I
ever got to use it more than once.
-----------------------------------------

Next tale:  RAPING ANGELS ON THE FIELDS OF ELYSIUM.

Read about it here, in one or two days from now.




---
Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says:
"Throw the hetero over the fence some hay."
---
The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only:
http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/
I come like a thief in the night!
---
Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass
for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts!
http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm

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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:28:39 GMT

On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 17:44:00 -0700, Jeffrey Croft
 wrote:

>I changed my mind. I won't read any of it.


Do ignore the rest of this message.

-----------------------------------------
AN ACCOUNT OF MULTIPLE RAPE IN THE FIELDS OF ELYSIUM
(IS NOWHERE SAFE ANY MORE?)

(a parable for the 21st century)

© 1998 by Ezekiel J. Krahlin
(Jehovah's Queer Witness)



I am standing on this vast, endless plain, which I know are
the Fields of Elysium...and I'm seeking God's Throne.  Which
direction?  There are no signs posted anywhere, no clue of any
kind.  Then I realize I should walk where I would walk, and be
certain that I'm going in the right direction.  So I forge
onward, in total confidence that I am headed for the throne.

In a while, the field ahead becomes scattered with boulders
and stubbly trees.  And on each boulder sits a very sexy,
handsome angel (traditional appearance, fluffy white wings and
all). But each angel resists my passage, as if an invisible
shield blocks me from going beyond the boulder.  Each angel
dares me to go beyond, with a coy, come-hither look from
bedroom eyes!  So each angel I approach, I knock to the ground
and rape...though they offer little resistance (but my
incredible strength may explain this part)!  That seems to be
the only way I cam move on.

Of course, I'm really feeling my oats by the time I have
finished with the last angel on the last boulder.  But as soon
as I stand up to put on my pants, I am knocked over by an
angel that comes swooping down from the sky.  He pins me to
the ground and dicks the daylights out of me, while saying
over and over (until he is done with me), "What goes around,
comes around, Hot Stuff!"  Of course, he is deliciously
handsome (more so than the previous umpteen angels I had just
deflowered, if you can believe that), and the experience is 
incredible...thus the taste of my defeat is far from unpleasant.  
Perhaps I had  dallied with several angels, perhaps millions...who 
can remember in that other dimension?  (Perhaps I brag a bit much; 
let me continue...)

Then I get up and continue my walk until I reach God's
throne.  And there he is:  "Adonai", eternal sweet 16, naked,
beautiful, perfect!  A golden light bathes him and radiates
his life force as a brilliant, warm aura that touches me
gently.  But something is missing:  a face!  Adonai has no
face; it is a blank oval!  I swiftly approach Adonai to touch
his hand, when suddenly I find myself sitting in his
throne...looking out at the vast endless Fields Of Elysium.
Finally, Adonai has a face...and eyes with which to see.
-----------------------------------------



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Make it sin to *not waste seed!
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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:39:52 GMT

As for my viewpoints on Christianity:

It has wrought much evil in this world, as well as much good. There is
nothing good in Christianity that has not been taught by other belief
systems, both before and after that religion ever came to exist. The
essence: Love your neighbor as yourself. Personally, I can be quite
happy under any religion, or non-religion for that matter...as long as
I could continue to do my good works.

I can think of no belief system that has not wrought much evil, as
well as much good...whether a religion or some other "ism", such as
communism and atheism.

I like Christianity because of the simple lessons that get to the
heart of the matter...it is uncomplicated in its essential
form...unlike Hinduism, and other religions. However, I am not
speaking of distorted Christianity, as it is practiced by the Catholic
faith and other sects. I believe the story of Christ is the story of
Everyman/woman...for life itself is a crucifixion. That is: being
conscious in life. The idea is to find a way to rise above this sort
of agony, in our hearts and minds...to take wing on the bluebird of
imagination. The kingdom of heaven is within...ergo, so is hell...in
other words, it is all a question of attitude.

I believe in the Christ of Joy...who is not the one that got
crucified. Some theorize that the one who was nailed to the cross was
an imposter. I also believe in the "Christa", the female Christ...who
has long gone ignored and ill respected. This is soon to change.

Generally, I have studied many religions and world views...as an
anthropology student at the Univ. of Missouri at Columbia. I
especially love the Innuit's philosophies...and how they came to love
their arctic environment. Influences on my thinking come from many
different systems: Buddhism, Judaism, Shintoism, atheism,
existentialsim, Christianity, Sufi-ism, Islam, Native American, Native
Siberian, Lappland, etc.


---
Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says:
"Throw the hetero over the fence some hay."
---
The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only:
http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/
I come like a thief in the night!
---
Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass
for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts!
http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm

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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: Nicole Lasher 
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:51:53 +0200

 

Jeffrey Croft wrote:

> I don't think real shamans
> have any need to toot their own horn.

On the contrary...Most shamans (outside the P.C. flower-child U.S. Wiccan
scene) toot their own horns quite a bit.  They're pretty a rowdy bunch,
generally, and do quite a bit of tooting about their abilities...but it
works.  For whatever reason, spiritual, psychological, whatever, what they do
works.

~Niki


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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 17:30:45 GMT

On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:51:53 +0200, Nicole Lasher
 wrote:

>On the contrary...Most shamans (outside the P.C. flower-child U.S. Wiccan
>scene) toot their own horns quite a bit. 

False humility is one of the most horrible forms of hubris...an act in
which I refuse to partake. "Oh, humble me, I am but a poor healer."

By the way, I was a flower child/hippie, and have really not changed
much since then, in my belief system. What fun!


---
Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says:
"Throw the hetero over the fence some hay."
---
The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only:
http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/
I come like a thief in the night!
---
Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass
for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts!
http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm

========
Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: Jeffrey Croft 
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:00:47 -0700

Nicole Lasher wrote:

> On the contrary...Most shamans (outside the P.C. flower-child U.S. Wiccan
> scene) toot their own horns quite a bit.  They're pretty a rowdy bunch,
> generally, and do quite a bit of tooting about their abilities...but it
> works.  For whatever reason, spiritual, psychological, whatever, what they do
> works.

There are definitely some shamans who toot their own horn. My original statement
was too absolute. However, most of the shamans I have encountered in my life
were outside the flower-child U.S. Wiccan scene (I'm not from 'round here. :) )
and they didn't. Perhaps it's just that the horn-tooters are more easily
visible.

You did hit on what I believe to be the heart of the issue: "what they do
works." That's really the only important thing.

     Jeff
jdcroft@*nospam*.best.com



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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: michelle@michelle.org (Michelle Steiner)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:57:12 -0700

In article <35FFB469.6FE719D4@netvision.net.il>, Nicole Lasher
 wrote:

>Most shamans (outside the P.C. flower-child U.S. Wiccan
>scene) 

Wiccans usually aren't Shamans, just like Jews usually aren't Chistian.  PC
and flower child more accurately represent New Agers than Wiccans.

Q:  What's the difference between a New Ager and a Wiccan
A:  About $100 per crystal.

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|  Michelle Steiner           | "An it harm none, do as thou will.   |
|  michelle@michelle.org      |  That is the whole of the law."      |
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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 02:31:45 GMT

On Wed, 09 Sep 1998 02:06:13 +0200, Nicole Lasher
 wrote:

>But do I think Ezekiel is paranoid for being suspicious of me, initially?  No.
>I expect him to be suspicious of me, and would probably have thought less of him
>if I didn't catch some safety maneuvering from him at first.  

Nor would I be offended if your are suspicious of me, either as a
causcasian, or as a male. In fact, I would respect such an attitude,
as I understand somewhat, your own particular struggles...as a woman,
and as a person of color. In fact, I'd perceive you as naive (though
still an excellent human being) were you not suspicious of every man
or white person who first enters your world...as well as foolishly
making yourself vulnerable to possible injury or betrayal.


---
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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: Frank Martinez Lester 
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 21:04:25 -0700

[[Question:  How does that differentiate you from me?  Do you know me?>>

No, Nicole.  He doesn't know you.  I don't know you.

The question is:  Do you know us?  Do you know us?  Do you stop before you fire off
questions the way you do to think that there might be shared experience among the
people you are characterizing as complacent, ignorant, shallow, or whatever else it is
you believe we, the horrible, fat, lazy masses, are for not torching every government
building in the United States & running amok with firearms & killing every
heterosexual we come in contact with, fire first, ask questions later?  Do you stop to
think that we may have as much pain as you have?  Do you stop to think that there is
not a calculus for suffering?  Do you stop to think that I might have as much fear of
homophobia as you do & just have different ways of dealing with it than you do & than
Mr Krahlin does?  Do you stop to think that that difference may not, believe it or
not, make me a "traitor" to my own kind?




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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: Bill Lindemann 
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 17:07:19 +0000

Nicole Lasher wrote:

> Frank Martinez Lester wrote:
>
> > Nothing is good enough for the Almighty Krahlin.
> >
> > 
>
> Yeah, and how many loves of your life have died recently?
> I ask you, how would you feel, or react, if you had to watch people you
> loved die slowly?
> What if their deaths had a cause?  Would you not try to do something about
> it?
> Have you ever watched someone, or some agency, or some "system" slowly crush
> the life out of someone who was dear to you?
> Or maybe you've never had anyone who was that dear to you?
> Try to learn something about the people you are talking to.
>
> ~Niki

It is unfortunate if this has happened to Mr. Krahlin, but it is no excuse
for his behavior.  His is the same horrifying single-mindedness of a
straight person whose son has been molested by a gay man who sets
off on a self-righteous crusade to deprive every gay man and lesbian
he can find of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  His motto is
"a member or members of THAT group did one of my family wrong,
and family love justifies ANYTHING", and he is sure that by attacking
the entire perceived GROUP indiscriminately he can assure himself
of acheiving safety, and having his vengeance.

-Bill



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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: wstewart@hi.net (Ward Stewart)
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 22:01:25 GMT

On Tue, 08 Sep 1998 09:16:21 +0200, Nicole Lasher
 wrote:

> 
>
>Frank Martinez Lester wrote:
>
>> Nothing is good enough for the Almighty Krahlin.
>>
>> 
>
>Yeah, and how many loves of your life have died recently?
>I ask you, how would you feel, or react, if you had to watch people you
>loved die slowly?
>What if their deaths had a cause?  Would you not try to do something about
>it?
>Have you ever watched someone, or some agency, or some "system" slowly crush
>the life out of someone who was dear to you?
>Or maybe you've never had anyone who was that dear to you?
>Try to learn something about the people you are talking to.
>
>~Niki

That is PRECISELY the point Niki,  I spent the last ten years of my
nursing career at the eye of the HIV storm - from the first few of our
patients dying mysteriously to the identification of a full-blown
pandemic largely ignored by the Reaganite politicians and a hostile or
at least uncaring public.  

I DO know of the terrible loss and heart-break and I have "done
something about it," both personally and politically;  something of
substance, something of worth and something that has borne fruit.

Ten years ago I finally burned out on the horror and retired here in
Hawaii.  Here I continued my work with HIV nursing and education on a
smaller scale, one that would not destroy me.  I also found an
interesting political situation and by my efforts and that of my
friends we have set in motion a movement for same-gender marriage that
has echoed around the world. The idea existed before our suit but had
ground to a halt -- WE energized it and it developed that it was an
idea 'whose time had come."

To then be told by this silly that I am harming the gay-lesbian
community and have made no contribution equivalent to his nutso comic
strip and his howling on street-corners is INTENSELY offensive --
stupid too!  His nattering about Thrace and all the rest of his absurd
rap are feeding into the 'phobes delusions that we are making mad and
unreasonable demands.

ward


     *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
"The default condition for a citizen in our republic is that in any
harmless matter he is FREE to act as he will.  He is NOT to be 
restricted by prejudices and animosity amongst his neighbors -- 
if THEY wish to restrain him from his freedom, THEY must 
demonstrate  the public interest in so restricting him."
                                                  Uncle Ward
     *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 02:31:48 GMT

On Tue, 08 Sep 1998 22:01:25 GMT, wstewart@hi.net (Ward Stewart)
wrote:

>To then be told by this silly that I am harming the gay-lesbian
>community and have made no contribution equivalent to his nutso comic
>strip and his howling on street-corners is INTENSELY offensive --
>stupid too! 

I have never accused you of being harmful to the gay community, Wart.
It is *you who accused me of this. However, you do possess some
narrow, elitist view that *are harmful to gay progress. For one, you
instantly condemn anyone who says he has a mental disability...in such
a foul, stereotypical manner comparable to a homophobe's condemnation
of gays.

Nor have I ever said you have made on contributions. I did say that,
while your contributions are commendable, it does not do you much good
to smear other's achievements only because they do not appeal to your
right-wing viewpoints.

Your labelling me as "nutso" and a "howler" shows clearly your
superficial branding of gays with radical inspirations...without ever
looking into the person whom you degrade. And as I said earlier, you
are only racking up more points for bad karma in your life...and
smearing what good reputation you have earned.

Were I the nut you claim, I would *not be garnering support from many
corners, including qualified lawyers. In fact, the tide is turning in
my favor, and I now have more supporters than attackers.


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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: Jeffrey Croft 
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 11:35:07 -0700

Ezekiel Krahlin wrote:

> I have never accused you of being harmful to the gay community, Wart.
> It is *you who accused me of this. However, you do possess some
> narrow, elitist view that *are harmful to gay progress. For one, you
> instantly condemn anyone who says he has a mental disability...in such
> a foul, stereotypical manner comparable to a homophobe's condemnation
> of gays.

You're lying. You just made all that up.

Jeff
jdcroft@nospam.best.com



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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 00:27:53 GMT

On Wed, 09 Sep 1998 11:35:07 -0700, Jeffrey Croft
 wrote:

>> I have never accused you of being harmful to the gay community, Wart.
>> It is *you who accused me of this. However, you do possess some
>> narrow, elitist view that *are harmful to gay progress. For one, you
>> instantly condemn anyone who says he has a mental disability...in such
>> a foul, stereotypical manner comparable to a homophobe's condemnation
>> of gays.
>
>You're lying. You just made all that up.

Nope, I have save the theads in which he has done just that. Give me a
day or two to dig them out. I will also include slurs made by others,
about the poor and disabled. And if you challenge the accuracy of my
quotes in this matter, you can just search for them in Deja News, to
compare.

You were counting on the possibility that I did not save these
conversations, no doubt. Well, I am about to call your bluff.


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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: Jeffrey Croft 
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:28:59 -0700

Ezekiel Krahlin wrote:

> Nope, I have save the theads in which he has done just that. Give me a
> day or two to dig them out. I will also include slurs made by others,
> about the poor and disabled. And if you challenge the accuracy of my
> quotes in this matter, you can just search for them in Deja News, to
> compare.

OK. I'm awaiting your post.

> You were counting on the possibility that I did not save these
> conversations, no doubt. Well, I am about to call your bluff.

No, not at all. I really would like you to post the material you're talking
about. I guess what I'm doing is expressing my opinion that Ward is more
credible than you.

Jeff
jdcroft@nospam.best.com



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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 07:44:14 GMT

On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:28:59 -0700, Jeffrey Croft
 wrote:

>> about the poor and disabled. And if you challenge the accuracy of my
>> quotes in this matter, you can just search for them in Deja News, to
>> compare.
>
>OK. I'm awaiting your post.

I don't think I need to at this point; Wart is already doing a fine
job in *this thread, of proving my claim.

>No, not at all. I really would like you to post the material you're talking
>about. I guess what I'm doing is expressing my opinion that Ward is more
>credible than you.

Just read his latest drivel in this thread about being a nurse, and
what *he would do to certain disabled folks.


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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: Jeffrey Croft 
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:37:33 -0700

Ezekiel Krahlin wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:28:59 -0700, Jeffrey Croft
>  wrote:
>
> >> about the poor and disabled. And if you challenge the accuracy of my
> >> quotes in this matter, you can just search for them in Deja News, to
> >> compare.
> >
> >OK. I'm awaiting your post.
>
> I don't think I need to at this point; Wart is already doing a fine
> job in *this thread, of proving my claim.

Just as I suspected. When it comes right down to it, you're full of shit. You
make a big deal about being able to provide proof of what you're saying, you
accuse me of bluffing and then when it comes right down to it, you can't come
up with anything substantive. I'm scarcely surprised.

> >No, not at all. I really would like you to post the material you're talking
> >about. I guess what I'm doing is expressing my opinion that Ward is more
> >credible than you.
>
> Just read his latest drivel in this thread about being a nurse, and
> what *he would do to certain disabled folks.

I read what he said. Maybe I agree and maybe I don't. I still think he's about
37 times more credible than you are. You put down anyone who doesn't agree with
you. The more you do it, the less I want to hear anything your vitriolic yap
has to say.

Jeff
jdcroft@nospam.best.com



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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 05:26:10 GMT

On Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:37:33 -0700, Jeffrey Croft
 wrote:

>Just as I suspected. When it comes right down to it, you're full of shit. You
>make a big deal about being able to provide proof of what you're saying, you
>accuse me of bluffing and then when it comes right down to it, you can't come
>up with anything substantive. I'm scarcely surprised.

Aren't you so smugly self-satisfied! You demand immediate
proof...though I must pore through over 3,000,000 bytes of articles,
to dig out the evidence. I do not jump at your commands...in fact, I
take my own sweet time about whatever I please.

>> Just read his latest drivel in this thread about being a nurse, and
>> what *he would do to certain disabled folks.
>
>I read what he said. Maybe I agree and maybe I don't. 

Then again, maybe not.

>You put down anyone who doesn't agree with you. 

Nonsense. You just choose to ignore those articles in which I may
disagree without putting someone down. It depends on the motive for
the other person's statements to which I disagree.

>The more you do it, the less I want to hear anything your vitriolic yap
>has to say.

See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.


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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: Frank Martinez Lester 
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 00:55:20 -0700

[[You just choose to ignore those articles in which I may
disagree without putting someone down. >>

And there are sooooooooooo many of those.




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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:44:28 GMT

On Sat, 12 Sep 1998 00:55:20 -0700, Frank Martinez Lester
 wrote:

>[[You just choose to ignore those articles in which I may
>disagree without putting someone down. >>
>
>And there are sooooooooooo many of those.

Because I bring up controversial topics, I expect more disagreement
than accolades.


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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: Jeffrey Croft 
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:01:21 -0700

Ezekiel Krahlin wrote:

> >Just as I suspected. When it comes right down to it, you're full of shit. You
> >make a big deal about being able to provide proof of what you're saying, you
> >accuse me of bluffing and then when it comes right down to it, you can't come
> >up with anything substantive. I'm scarcely surprised.
>
> Aren't you so smugly self-satisfied! You demand immediate
> proof...though I must pore through over 3,000,000 bytes of articles,
> to dig out the evidence. I do not jump at your commands...in fact, I
> take my own sweet time about whatever I please.

I don't care how long it takes you. I don't even care if you do it. You were the
one who offered in the first place so I took you up on your offer. If you don't
wanna do it, don't offer.

> >> Just read his latest drivel in this thread about being a nurse, and
> >> what *he would do to certain disabled folks.
> >
> >I read what he said. Maybe I agree and maybe I don't.
>
> Then again, maybe not.
>
> >You put down anyone who doesn't agree with you.
>
> Nonsense. You just choose to ignore those articles in which I may
> disagree without putting someone down. It depends on the motive for
> the other person's statements to which I disagree.

OK. So, you put down many but not all the people with whom you don't agree.
Whatever.

    Jeff
jdcroft@nospam.best.com



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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: wstewart@hi.net (Ward Stewart)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:29:37 GMT

On Wed, 09 Sep 1998 11:35:07 -0700, Jeffrey Croft
 wrote:

>Ezekiel Krahlin wrote:
>
>> I have never accused you of being harmful to the gay community, Wart.
>> It is *you who accused me of this. However, you do possess some
>> narrow, elitist view that *are harmful to gay progress. For one, you
>> instantly condemn anyone who says he has a mental disability...in such
>> a foul, stereotypical manner comparable to a homophobe's condemnation
>> of gays.
>
>You're lying. You just made all that up.
>
>Jeff
>jdcroft@nospam.best.com

I am a psychiatric nurse and spent years and years working with the
mentally ill -- I do NOT and have NOT condemned then in a "foul,
stereotypical manner," or in any other manner.

HOWEVER, I do not choose to be led into the thickets of politics by
the manifestly unsound.

THEN., we have a special group of folks who are "disabled" and are
relieving public money and decline to accept treatment for their
illness.  The SSI runs on out of all our pockets and they are in line
for that but not for treatment.  If I had my way in the matter, their
SSI would be cut the hell off and that money spent on those who are 
honestly struggling with their disabilities.

ward



     *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
"The default condition for a citizen in our republic is that in any
harmless matter he is FREE to act as he will.  He is NOT to be 
restricted by prejudices and animosity amongst his neighbors -- 
if THEY wish to restrain him from his freedom, THEY must 
demonstrate  the public interest in so restricting him."
                                                  Uncle Ward
     *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: sheroux@europa.nospam.com (RavensHeart)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:08:28 GMT

On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:29:37 GMT, wstewart@hi.net (Ward Stewart)
wrote:

>On Wed, 09 Sep 1998 11:35:07 -0700, Jeffrey Croft
> wrote:
>
>>Ezekiel Krahlin wrote:
>>
>>> I have never accused you of being harmful to the gay community, Wart.
>>> It is *you who accused me of this. However, you do possess some
>>> narrow, elitist view that *are harmful to gay progress. For one, you
>>> instantly condemn anyone who says he has a mental disability...in such
>>> a foul, stereotypical manner comparable to a homophobe's condemnation
>>> of gays.
>>
>>You're lying. You just made all that up.
>>
>>Jeff
>>jdcroft@nospam.best.com
>
>I am a psychiatric nurse and spent years and years working with the
>mentally ill -- I do NOT and have NOT condemned then in a "foul,
>stereotypical manner," or in any other manner.
>
>HOWEVER, I do not choose to be led into the thickets of politics by
>the manifestly unsound.
>
>THEN., we have a special group of folks who are "disabled" and are
>relieving public money and decline to accept treatment for their
>illness.  The SSI runs on out of all our pockets and they are in line
>for that but not for treatment.  If I had my way in the matter, their
>SSI would be cut the hell off and that money spent on those who are 
>honestly struggling with their disabilities.
>
>ward
>
>
>
>     *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
>"The default condition for a citizen in our republic is that in any
>harmless matter he is FREE to act as he will.  He is NOT to be 
>restricted by prejudices and animosity amongst his neighbors -- 
>if THEY wish to restrain him from his freedom, THEY must 
>demonstrate  the public interest in so restricting him."
>                                                  Uncle Ward
>     *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*



I'm disabled,
No, wait.  I wrote that just to get a response.
No, wait.  I'm disabled.
No, wait.  I am an archangel speaking through zeke
No, wait.  I'm disabled.
No, wait.  I'm putting you on.
No, wait.  I'm disabled.

I didn't rent my mailbox to receive money.
No, wait.  You can send contributions if you want.
No, wait.  I spent $115 for the mailbox.
No, wait.  I don't want your contributions.
No, wait.  I'm living on apples and oatmeal.
No, wait.  You can send me money.
No, wait.  I didn't rent my mailbox to receive money.
No, wait.

.

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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. Northwood)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:41:43 GMT

On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:08:28 GMT, sheroux@europa.nospam.com
(RavensHeart) wrote:

< snip >

>I'm disabled,
>No, wait.  I wrote that just to get a response.
>No, wait.  I'm disabled.
>No, wait.  I am an archangel speaking through zeke
>No, wait.  I'm disabled.
>No, wait.  I'm putting you on.
>No, wait.  I'm disabled.

>I didn't rent my mailbox to receive money.
>No, wait.  You can send contributions if you want.
>No, wait.  I spent $115 for the mailbox.
>No, wait.  I don't want your contributions.
>No, wait.  I'm living on apples and oatmeal.
>No, wait.  You can send me money.
>No, wait.  I didn't rent my mailbox to receive money.
>No, wait.

Scary, RavensHeart -- I didn't know if this was another "incarnation"
of Herr Krahlin or if it really _was_ you for a moment.

< shiver >

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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: "L. Michael Roberts" 
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 01:13:24 -0400

RavensHeart wrote:


 
> I'm disabled,
> No, wait.  I wrote that just to get a response.
> No, wait.  I'm disabled.
> No, wait.  I am an archangel speaking through zeke
> No, wait.  I'm disabled.
> No, wait.  I'm putting you on.
> No, wait.  I'm disabled.
> 
> I didn't rent my mailbox to receive money.
> No, wait.  You can send contributions if you want.
> No, wait.  I spent $115 for the mailbox.
> No, wait.  I don't want your contributions.
> No, wait.  I'm living on apples and oatmeal.
> No, wait.  You can send me money.
> No, wait.  I didn't rent my mailbox to receive money.
> No, wait.

	ROFLMAO!!!!
	 

+====================   L. Michael Roberts   ======================+
     This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
Burlington, Ont, Canada To reply, remove 'SpamSux' from my E-ddress
       "Life is a sexualy transmitted, terminal, condition"
+==================================================================+

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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 07:42:52 GMT

On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:08:28 GMT, sheroux@europa.nospam.com
(RavensHeart) wrote:

>I'm disabled,
>No, wait.  I wrote that just to get a response.
>No, wait.  I'm disabled.
>No, wait.  I am an archangel speaking through zeke

Taking my quotes out of context, only shows your inability to engage
in effective debate. But I'd rather you have fun at my expense...as I
am too strong willed to be damaged by your attacks...that at the
expense of another who may be too psychically sensitive to handle it.
So I gladly distract you from possible committing deeds that would
result in evil consequences.


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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: sheroux@europa.nospam.com (RavensHeart)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:19:32 GMT

On Fri, 11 Sep 1998 07:42:52 GMT, ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel
Krahlin) wrote:

>On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:08:28 GMT, sheroux@europa.nospam.com
>(RavensHeart) wrote:
>
>>I'm disabled,
>>No, wait.  I wrote that just to get a response.
>>No, wait.  I'm disabled.
>>No, wait.  I am an archangel speaking through zeke
>
>Taking my quotes out of context, only shows your inability to engage
>in effective debate. But I'd rather you have fun at my expense...as I
>am too strong willed to be damaged by your attacks...that at the
>expense of another who may be too psychically sensitive to handle it.
>So I gladly distract you from possible committing deeds that would
>result in evil consequences.
>
>
Just for one:

>On 8/23/98 at 5:28am, exekieljk@my-dejanews.com(Ezekiel Krahlin) wrote:

> I am also an angelic spirit who speaks through Zeke,
>from time to time...or in this case, types through his fingers, as I
>am doing this very moment. This is how schizophrenia can be
>transformed into the psyche's most powerful tool. We *insist that he
>glorify himself from time to time, as the path we have chosen for him
>is often very rough...meaning among other things, with little if any
>pats on the back from his fellow humans. He does, however, get plenty
>of pats from us, his guardian spirits. In fact, we have decided to
>step in on this shameful harangue you and others in this thread, are
>persisting in doing against one really decent man.

>What would you know of his supposed mental illness...to judge that our
>Zeke does not qualify for an occassional merit badge or two...or a
>gold star or bronze star, or even the Purple Heart of Pegasus?

>You have absolutely no power over him, a
>loyal servant of the White Sister/Brotherhood (the angels). Your
>insistance that Zeke deserves no recognition or reward, bespeaks one
>who dabbles in the black arts...using one's tongue to condemn through
>reptitious chants of denigration. Coming from the level from which you
>speak, we hardly could say you are qualified to make any value
>judgment about our good buddy. In fact, you rate lower than an
>earthworm, and barely qualify to judge a cockroach! Do you have any
>Cajun Voodoo in your blood?

>He has *our help.  We are his archetypal archangels, better than
>thorazine, stellazine, hellazine, mellowzine, getwellazine, or even
>the sanctified prozac...or anything else man's dark sciences can
>conjure up.

>>My Aunt, also a schizophrenic, experiences the same symptoms as you.

>That is untrue. There may be overlapping similarities, but untrue. She
>is much more deeper into her journey than Zeke, for she has a
>different path than him.

>>She thinks she is called by God for a special purpose, and that she
>>can see and talk to angels. Now that she is on medication, the angels
>>are gone. You need medication.

>We angels laugh at your instructions. Your poor aunt has been
>chemically lobotomized. Zeke's higher purpose is genuine...but he does
>not hear voices. He has insights and dreams, through which we convey
>our wishes and instructions. Zeke is quite capable of turning off our
>thoughts whenever he so wishes...and indeed he does, when he needs to
>rest.

>Would you have suggested Edgar Cayce to take medications to stop his
>gift of healing? Had he done so, he'd sleep normally, and never suffer
>the strange maladies he did, as an exchange for his great gift. All
>true psychics are blessed with a deep flaw, which keeps them grounded
>enough to do their calling with effective results.

>Many people have done much good works, while believing they are
>communicating with angels. Besides Cayce, we suggest you consider
>William Blake.

>Back to your poor Aunt: she is without any real support for her gift,
>and thus is not well grounded. In that circumstance, we recommend she
>"forget" her angels, until such time decent souls discover her as a
>friend. Then, being so grounded with them, she can reduce the
>medication and eventually eliminate it...as she learns how to use
>these angels for meaningful direction. But until then, she has been
>taught to fear their voices, and must do everything possible to get
>rid of them. This is barbaric mind control, not love. She has shamanac
>talents that should be nurtured, not suffocated.

>>>I suggest you read for yourself, The Book of Job, in the Old
>>>Testament. It stands alone among all the other books, in its radical
>>>departure from the conventional preachings espoused in all the other
>>>books.
>>
>>Another similarity to Fred Cherry- he also focuses his attentions on
>>just one book of the Bible.

>The similarity you make, dear Placenta, is another of your vulgar
>miscarriages of implication that Ezekiel is crazy. The Book of Job is
>an outstanding work, for it essentially challanges everything else in
>the Old Testament. While there are many other good books you could
>read, that would teach you the same lesson...the Book of Job is an
>incredibly existential work of intellectual brilliance that reaches
>into man's very heart of hearts, to ask the scariest question of all:
>why does God seem to punish the righteous?

>You would do well to study the Book of Job, as in there you will come
>to understand Zeke's particular path we have set him on...as one who
>has, like Job, experienced massive boils over his entire face for
>seven years. The experience of being both handsome and very ugly, has
>given our beloved friend, a deeper insight into the human soul, than
>you could ever hope to know in this life...and, as it seems by your
>present behavior, for many more lives to come. Perhaps we should have
>made you into a cat...what with 9 lives and all, you could play cat
>and mouse for a long time before having to answer to your maker.

>Furthermore, we only see your clutching onto his statement of
>schizophrenia, as a useful weapon by which to bludgeon Zeke, and scare
>everyone in Usenet away from him. You know nothing of this state of
>mind...as schizophrenia is a very broad term to include a wide variety
>of mental anomalies. You know very well that some borderliners can be
>quite intelligent, coherent, and compassionate...in fact, far more so
>than average...as in some cases, schizophrenia can make a person extra
>sensitive with his thoughts and emotions.

>You also know very well that just because someone mentions having, or
>having had, a mental illness...does not in any way invalidate their
>ability to speak up for civil rights and other good causes. Were you
>more enlightened, you would regard Zeke as an interesting person, if
>not more than that...and say something like: "Well, you are rather
>unique. While I don't agree with all your opinions, you have a way
>with words, and a controversial manner of stimulating conversations. I
>am not here to judge you, but I do hope you are taking good care of
>yourself...and if there is anything I can do to make your life a
>little less bumpy, just say so."

>Instead, you have proven yourself time and again, to be extremely
>vindictive...as you pounce on every perceived weakness Zeke has
>mentioned...with intent desire to completely tear him apart without
>mercy. You wouldn't blink an eye should he suddenly disappear from the
>newsgroups...no concern at all, if he should have committed suicide,
>suffered a serious breakdown, or felt too hurt by your crudeness, to
>ever bother joining Usenet again. Sadly, your kind represents the
>present attitude of the surface gay community in Amerika.

>But our Angelic Order sustains him with courage and insight...so as a
>result, he is far too strong to be deterred or blown away by your foul
>stench. You are a rotting walking talking corpse. For while Zeke is
>strong enough to take what you dish out...how many others were not,
>whose lives you have devastated? We ask not for you to confess your
>sins her in Usenet, for we already know...and were it not for God's
>patience, we would have taken care of you the best way we know how.
>For one, you wouldn't be so smug in your conceit as you now are. And
>let's leave it at that, for now. Zeke needs his sleep.




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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 05:26:06 GMT

On Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:19:32 GMT, sheroux@europa.nospam.com
(RavensHeart) wrote:

>Just for one:
>
>>On 8/23/98 at 5:28am, exekieljk@my-dejanews.com(Ezekiel Krahlin) wrote:
>
>> I am also an angelic spirit who speaks through Zeke,
>>from time to time...or in this case, types through his fingers, as I
>>am doing this very moment. This is how schizophrenia can be
>>transformed into the psyche's most powerful tool. 

Mush better, RavensFart. I prefer you quote me in the context of my
essays, rather than break them up for purpose of deception. You are
free to re-post my angelic discourses to any and all newsgroups, and
anywhere else that pleases you.  

Some day, I will return the favor. I owe you one (at least).


CLARION
=======

copyright 1998 by Ezekiel J. Krahlin
(Jehovah's Queer Witness)


I n fields of gossamer dandelions

L icking the soless of our feet,
O ur hearts run fleeting over
V ast meadows of dreams.
E nter the golden light

Y earning to blare
O ut from holy trumpets
U nder angels' wings.



---
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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: sheroux@europa.nospam.com (RavensHeart)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 02:40:09 GMT

On Sat, 12 Sep 1998 05:26:06 GMT, ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel
Krahlin) wrote:

>On Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:19:32 GMT, sheroux@europa.nospam.com
>(RavensHeart) wrote:
>
>>Just for one:
>>
>>>On 8/23/98 at 5:28am, exekieljk@my-dejanews.com(Ezekiel Krahlin) wrote:
>>
>>> I am also an angelic spirit who speaks through Zeke,
>>>from time to time...or in this case, types through his fingers, as I
>>>am doing this very moment. This is how schizophrenia can be
>>>transformed into the psyche's most powerful tool. 
>
>Mush better, RavensFart. I prefer you quote me in the context of my
>essays, rather than break them up for purpose of deception. You are
>free to re-post my angelic discourses to any and all newsgroups, and
>anywhere else that pleases you.  


Happy to oblige.  Revealing the depth of your psychosis is always a
pleasure.  As a shaman, it should serve to keep you humble. 


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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: Nicole Lasher 
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 12:46:57 +0200

 

RavensHeart wrote:

> Happy to oblige.  Revealing the depth of your psychosis is always a
> pleasure.

Apparently, so much of a pleasure that you are having trouble containing
yourself.
Why not just admit (at least to yourself) that you "get off" on bashing
Ezekiel?  He represents something that makes you angry...the unapologetic
activist.  You like to bash him online (with the fervor of a humiliation
fetishist) because in your offline life, you can't muster up the courage to
bash the activists around you.

Some backbone might solve your compulsion.

~Niki


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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: desalvo@monitor.net (John De Salvio)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 07:42:39 -0700

In article <35FBA2A0.A21BF28A@netvision.net.il>, Nicole Lasher
 wrote:

>  
> 
> RavensHeart wrote:
> 
> > Happy to oblige.  Revealing the depth of your psychosis is always a
> > pleasure.
> 
> Apparently, so much of a pleasure that you are having trouble containing
> yourself.
> Why not just admit (at least to yourself) that you "get off" on bashing
> Ezekiel? 

Who wouldn't?

It's so easy, and he fairly begs for it!

 > He represents something that makes you angry...the unapologetic
> activist.  

No, the raving lunatic. There IS a difference.

> You like to bash him online (with the fervor of a humiliation
> fetishist) because in your offline life, you can't muster up the courage to
> bash the activists around you.

Funny, I don't read of HIS being too active beyond the internet...

-- 
John

NOTE: "From" address is deliberately wrong.
My correct e-mail address is:

desalvio["AT" SYMBOL]monitor.net

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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. Northwood)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 14:52:19 GMT

On Sun, 13 Sep 1998 12:46:57 +0200, Nicole Lasher
 wrote:

>Some backbone might solve your compulsion.

"Aisle Two, bowl of milk.  'Meow'"
 - Austin Powers

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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: sheroux@europa.nospam.com (RavensHeart)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 18:57:56 GMT

On Sun, 13 Sep 1998 12:46:57 +0200, Nicole Lasher
 wrote:

> 
>
>RavensHeart wrote:
>
>> Happy to oblige.  Revealing the depth of your psychosis is always a
>> pleasure.
>
>Apparently, so much of a pleasure that you are having trouble containing
>yourself.
>Why not just admit (at least to yourself) that you "get off" on bashing
>Ezekiel?  He represents something that makes you angry...the unapologetic
>activist.  You like to bash him online (with the fervor of a humiliation
>fetishist) because in your offline life, you can't muster up the courage to
>bash the activists around you.
>
>Some backbone might solve your compulsion.
>
>~Niki
>
There you go ......talking out of the wrong hole again, Zeke....uh, I
mean, Niki.....

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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: wstewart@hi.net (Ward Stewart)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 23:32:49 GMT

On Sun, 13 Sep 1998 12:46:57 +0200, Nicole Lasher
 wrote:

> 
>
>RavensHeart wrote:
>
>> Happy to oblige.  Revealing the depth of your psychosis is always a
>> pleasure.
>
>Apparently, so much of a pleasure that you are having trouble containing
>yourself.
>Why not just admit (at least to yourself) that you "get off" on bashing
>Ezekiel?  He represents something that makes you angry...the unapologetic
>activist. 

He is not an "activist!"  That is unless you have confused his
delusions about Gaydonia with some sort of reality.  What angers is
that he is blowing smoke,, acrid smoke, and it is just this sort of
thing that the homophobes love as it demonstrates to their
satisfaction what we are all lunatics, unreasonable and unreasoning,

> You like to bash him online (with the fervor of a humiliation
>fetishist) because in your offline life, you can't muster up the courage to
>bash the activists around you.
>
>Some backbone might solve your compulsion.

Some wit might solve yours.

ward

------------------------------------------------------
"You people are helping us do that, by proving that
discrimination against homosexuals does, in fact, 
happen.  It is ubiquitous and endemic, and you 
bigots have as many excuses for it, as eskimos 
have words for snow.
                         -Bruce Garrett  

------------------------------------------------------

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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:39:50 GMT

On Sun, 13 Sep 1998 23:32:49 GMT, wstewart@hi.net (Ward Stewart)
wrote:

>What angers is
>that he is blowing smoke,, acrid smoke, and it is just this sort of
>thing that the homophobes love as it demonstrates to their
>satisfaction what we are all lunatics, unreasonable and unreasoning,

You seem to be doing an excellent job of it, without anyone else's
help, Wart.

>>Some backbone might solve your compulsion.
>
>Some wit might solve yours.

You would do well to take your own advice, then.


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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:42:22 GMT

On Sun, 13 Sep 1998 23:32:49 GMT, wstewart@hi.net (Ward Stewart)
wrote:

>What angers is that he is blowing smoke,, acrid smoke, 

I ask you for the third time, Wart: where do you get your ideas that
there are freeloaders and deadbeats leeching off the gov't coffers?
Job experience, or elsewhere? Tell me how many people, approximately,
you met, that are deadbeats...or give me some sort of percentage. And
what do they say that makes you believe they are bums?



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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 20:57:40 GMT

On Sun, 13 Sep 1998 02:40:09 GMT, sheroux@europa.nospam.com
(RavensHeart) wrote:

>Happy to oblige.  Revealing the depth of your psychosis is always a
>pleasure.  

No healer worth his salt, would ever make such a diagnose when not
even meeting the person face to face. Nor for that matter, would a
healer hurl hateful and unfounded terms at anyone.

>As a shaman, it should serve to keep you humble. 

You have no power. You are not a shaman, for by definition, he would
not make the kind of slurs you are.

>

It is certainly not a laughter of joy, but of sadism. It is a sick and
twisted gurgle emerging from a dark pit of self-loathing.



---
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for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts!
http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm
---
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http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/

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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. Northwood)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:21:35 GMT

On Sun, 13 Sep 1998 20:57:40 GMT, ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel
Krahlin) wrote:

>On Sun, 13 Sep 1998 02:40:09 GMT, sheroux@europa.nospam.com
>(RavensHeart) wrote:

>>Happy to oblige.  Revealing the depth of your psychosis is always a
>>pleasure.  

>No healer worth his salt, would ever make such a diagnose when not
>even meeting the person face to face. Nor for that matter, would a
>healer hurl hateful and unfounded terms at anyone.

Gee, guess that precludes your pretense to being a healer then,
doesn't it?

>>As a shaman, it should serve to keep you humble. 

>You have no power. You are not a shaman, for by definition, he would
>not make the kind of slurs you are.

LOL!

And you _are_?

>>

>It is certainly not a laughter of joy, but of sadism. It is a sick and
>twisted gurgle emerging from a dark pit of self-loathing.

No healer worth his salt would _ever_ make such a diagnosis when not
even meeting the person face to face.  Nor, for that matter, would a
healer hurl such hateful and unfounded terms at anyone.

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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:39:51 GMT

On Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:21:35 GMT, jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J.
Northwood) wrote:

>And you _are_?

San Francisco's best kept secret. 



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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: cubsfan@cjnetworks.com (Mike Silverman)
Date: 14 Sep 1998 09:26:05 -0500

In article <35fce382.8911042@nntp.sj.bigger.net>,
ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:21:35 GMT, jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J.
> Northwood) wrote:
> 
> >And you _are_?
> 
> San Francisco's best kept secret. 

No, that would be the clean, fast, friendly and efficient public-transit system.

-- 
Mike Silverman  --  cubsfan at turnleft.com  --  Lawrence, KS
http://www.turnleft.com/personal

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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: Michael Thomas 
Date: 14 Sep 1998 08:41:32 -0700

cubsfan@cjnetworks.com (Mike Silverman) writes:
> > San Francisco's best kept secret. 
> 
> No, that would be the clean, fast, friendly and efficient public-transit system.

  Since when has Willy Brown's limo been
conscripted into Muni service?
-- 
Michael Thomas	(mike@mtcc.com http://www.mtcc.com/~mike/)
        "I dunno, that's an awful lot of money."
			Beavis

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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 20:32:57 GMT

On 14 Sep 1998 08:41:32 -0700, Michael Thomas  wrote:

>Since when has Willy Brown's limo been conscripted into Muni service?

Don't you mean "lima bean", instead of "limo been"?


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========
Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 20:52:59 GMT


--------------------------------------------------------------
Permission granted by author for anyone to distribute this
writing free of charge (including translation into any
language)...under condition that no profit is made therefrom,
and that it remain intact and complete, including title and 
credit to the original author.

Ezekiel J. Krahlin
ezekielk@iname.com
--------------------------------------------------------------


THE BLUE ROSE MILITIA (world's first *queer* militia)

© 1997 by Ezekiel J. Krahlin
(Jehovah's Queer Witness)


(Note:  The word "Thracian" is used throughout this manifesto,
as an empowering adjective intended to replace the word "Gay
Male". Likewise for "Hellenic" and "Hellene" to replace "Gay"
in general, as in "Gay Community".  Credit for the idea of
"Hellenic" goes to Fireweaver, an Internet friend.)

     Founded December 1, 1996 by Hellenic Rights activist
Ezekiel Krahlin (formerly Gene Catalano), The Blue Rose
Militia is a ParaNormalMilitary organization dedicated to the
defense of homosexual civil rights within the borders of the
United States Of America. It seeks to establish Northern
California as a safe haven for the homosexual populace and its
refugees...via new and inviolable federal and state laws, or
through secession and formation of a new nation. The Militia
is a loosely bound federation of community clusters throughout
the nation, whose leadership is entrusted to the inspiration
of each local group. This new alliance is born of outraged
response to President Clinton's signing of the notorious
"Defense Of Marriage Act."

     The Blue Rose Militia encourages all Thracians and
Lesbians, their heterosexual supporters--and other
non-heterosexist types--to bear arms at all times, in order to
protect one's self and one's friends, from the outrageous
brutality of a homophobic populace.  The Militia implores its
advocates to carry pepper spray as a minimal deterrent from
violent attacks...and supports the legal acquisition of more
serious arms for the sake of self defense.

     While The Militia does encourage members and sympathizers
to bear arms, to a greater degree it supports the application
of creative genius to achieve its goals of homosexual
liberation.

     To become a member:  apply the emblem of a blue rose to a
camouflage jacket--wear this jacket for one full day--and you
become a member.  This simple gesture indicates your sincerity
to help the cause of homosexual civil rights... and will link
your spirit to the telepathic network that is The Blue Rose
Militia. You will then--through dreams, ideas, or psychic
signals--receive inspirations to perform actions that further
Lesbian/Thracian liberation.  You will also be showered with a
thousand blessings of gratitude by the angelic forces...but
that is merely frosting on the cake (or "wings on the
toaster," so to speak).  Please note that if you do not
believe in angels or psychic forces, you are still welcome to
contribute your own actions to the cause. The Blue Rose
Militia respects all religions and world views--including
atheistic and agnostic perceptions--and will never reject
anyone on grounds of personal beliefs...except those that
preach malicious intent to harm others (such as Satanic,
terrorist, bible-thumping, pedophiliac, or hard drug cults).

     Create your own blue rose patch on a circle of scrap
cloth two to three inches in diameter, and paint, draw, or
embroider the rose.  (Or find a patch with a rose design, and
color the rose blue.)  Attach to jacket with velcro or safety
pin.  Or find an old political button--paint a blue rose over
the original design--and pin it on. Any other method to create
a blue rose logo is acceptable. The ideal design for the logo
is: a single sky-blue rose with lime-green stem and two
leaves, on a wine-red background.  Blue stands for loyalty,
red for life force, and green for healing powers.

     None of the inspirations you receive will violate your
own values and beliefs, or interfere in any significant way
with your vocation or personal relations...unless you
specifically desire to live out a more wild and free-spirited
adventure.  Examples of inspired actions: financial donation
to a Hellene group, speaking out against a homophobic slur,
reading an informative book on homosexuality, freely copying
and distributing this Blue Rose Militia bulletin, reaching out
to a homosexual acquaintance, writing a letter to a newspaper,
wearing a homo-supportive T-shirt, calling a radio talk show,
participating in a pro-homosexual demonstration, attaching
pro-gay stickers to outgoing mail, or even starting or joining
an auxiliary Blue Rose Militia in your own neighborhood.  You
may even have a special calling above and beyond the examples
herein...in such a case, let your conscience be your guide. I
give no further examples, in order that your inspiration may
remain unfettered, and your imagination soar!

     The Blue Rose Militia places absolute trust into the
hands of anyone so inspired...and requires no report from any
member, or conferral, before he or she takes action.  Should a
member choose to confer with another, that is fine...and for
that reason local groups may be formed and dissolved in
spontaneous fashion, without first consulting the founder or
its headquarters.  Wear the blue rose logo anywhere on your
person, backpack, briefcase, or purse (camouflage jacket is
optional after the first time worn). In this manner, you will
meet other members who recognize the emblem.

-----finis

ADDENDUM: I believe our first priority should be to seek out our own
homeless and poverty stricken...and give to them from our hearts and
wallets. No one in our gay community should go without the essentials
needed for a happy life.

Adopt a gay sister or brother today!






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========
Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 20:32:51 GMT

On 14 Sep 1998 09:26:05 -0500, cubsfan@cjnetworks.com (Mike Silverman)
wrote:

>> >And you _are_?
>> 
>> San Francisco's best kept secret. 

In fact, I am such a well-kept secret, even *I didn't realize it till
two years ago...though I've lived here since 1973!

>No, that would be the clean, fast, friendly and efficient public-transit system.

As you wish. Give me two months at the longest. How about chutes
running down from our hills, to Market Street? And dressing up the
underground metro to look like fire-breathing dragons?

Quadruple the transit system vehicles...outlaw all cars...tear up half
the streets and convert them to gardens. Turn the Castro into sacred
ground, and build the world's first lesbian/gay church...where all
worldviews will have an equal stand, including atheism, pantheism,
paganism, as well as Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, etc. In
the Catholic sector, for communion wafers we can use little gummy
jockstraps.

 


--------------------------------------------------------------
Permission granted by author for anyone to distribute this
writing free of charge (including translation into any
language)...under condition that no profit is made therefrom,
and that it remain intact and complete, including title and 
credit to the original author.

Ezekiel J. Krahlin
ezekielk@iname.com
--------------------------------------------------------------


THE GIFT OF THE THUREEWHYZEMENN
(a parable for the 21st century)

©1997 be Ezekiel J. Krahlin
(Jehovah's Queer Witness)


It was the year 2042 when Cordell abandoned his heterosexist
family and NuAmsterdam to carve out a life for himself in
NuAthens, capitol of NuGreece: the first nation in history
born of the global&glorious SameSex revolution of 1999. Like
his biogenic grandsire, he settled in The PinkHeart District
(formerly "The Castro")--quite different from his
ForeSkinFather's time, yet in many ways still the same. The
Castro Theater still stood, though sheathed in transparent
TectoLucite to protect it against natural, chemical, or
homophobic erosion. Several more ErsatzEarlyFormerCentury-
Style buildings were restored and preserved in this
manner...while all (98.9%) remaining edifices were simply
guised in HoloFacades. In the rare moments when the PG&E
("Pegasus Electric") PinkHeart power grid overloaded and shut
down, the true appearance of the GayCapitol's heartland was
revealed-- sometimes for as long as several minutes, but
usually only for the blink of a CameloidEye.

Gone--in those SporadicBrief instants--were rows upon rows of
quaint gingerbread structures Holo- Graced with
RainbowSpectrum neon hues (and all consecrated shades
between). The scattered handful of authentic, restored
NeoVictoriEdwardianDecos (such as Castro Theater) stood like
Parthenon Gods&Goddesses among the groveling barbarian
2&3Story crackerbox dwellings, all painted a uniform, flat
shade of pink across the entire valley of Eureka and beyond.
To our GayGlorious credit, however--and I speak for all proud
citizens of NuAthens--they were SturdyBiltSpotlessKleen, with
bonafide hologramNOT interiors of Victorian, Hellenic,
WilyWestern, DeepThroatSouth, FuckinPre- vertician,
GumbyPokeyitic, DecoDiscoQueenish, UltraPseudoLeatherButch,
DanteBoschApocalpytoGothic, LalaLiberalLiberace&Lawrence-
Welkian, HomoRomoDomo- Erotic, and other kaleidoscopically-
metamorphosing multifarious decor. (FYI: all NuAthens tour
guides MUST have a MasterBaiter's degree in PostAnthropo-
logical NuLinguistics.)

It was a great lark for both resident and tourist alike, to
place bets on when the next "PinkHeart Brownout" would occur.
Most tourists left disheartened, with no impressive HoloSlides
to show their equally-disappointed family, friends, and
relatives...for there were NO legally-available postcards of
the "real" PinkHeart; and anyone caught selling through the
black market was peremptorily exiled to NuAntarctica (on
NuMoon III of the Planet Hades). The few LUCKY visitors,
however, proudly boasted of their splendiferous snapshots
(Like a neanderthalensis dragging his PrizeCatchMastodonRump
back to the HomeCave) to anyone who would stoop to listen,
even to aliens of abducting UFO's who had no idea what on
NuEarth they were talking about. The tariff on each
PhorbiddenPhoto was steep (200 QueerBucks), and the odds were
always in favor of the NuAthens resident...thus many
SuperRichDykes&Faggots populate our fairy city.

NOTE: Homophobic gossips have recently spread the rumor that
NuAthenians control the timing of bets and brownouts, on the
claim that worldwide fiber optic integration and
SolarWindWaveThermalPower have eliminated any shortage of
electricity anywhere with no possible chance of short
circuits, brownouts, spikes, or surges. When interviewed by
MainstreamMedia, Pegasus stamped his hoof and snorted in
anger: "That is a lie! My company stands by its reputation of
quality service." Then he looked right into the camera lens
and into every home, bar, SexClub and PoodleFactory of
NuAthens and said with a wink: "Don't we, guys?" This is
straight from The Horse's Mouth.


- NO STREETS IN PINKHEART: TORN UP INTO PARKS
(AFTER EARTHQUAKE).

-NUCHURCH: STAINED GLASS OF GENIE'S ART, SACRED
TEXT, PANELS DEPICTING HIS GREAT MOMENTS
(villificate of Paul Bonehead The Imposter, slaying
of the dragon quilt, St. Genie knocking over booths
and stalls at Castro Street Fair, Randy w/Genie
saying: "This dudette's a sick puppy!", etc. Exposing the
death cult.) INSTEAD OF COMMUNION WAFERS: "EAT MY
JOCKSTRAP" GUMMY CANDIES IN THE SACRED VENDING FONT
(plays music)

-COLLINGWOOD PARK (EUREKA VALLEY GAYGROUND):
 4-LEVELS (MEMORIAL, DOG-RUN, GAYCRUISING,
 DYKECRUISING)

 NEXT TO PARK IS "RENT-A-PET" (slogan: GET
 OUTTA HERE AND TALK A WALK. traditional reply:
 YOU BITCHA!)

 THIS COURT RESERVED FOR TANTRIC LESSONS
 (breeder conversion)

 MURAL: NO ARMAGEDDON or THE CANVAS OF EROS

 STATUE OF SLAYED HOMOPHOBE (silver-curly hair,
 skyblue eyes and walking stick) Street Patrol
 defended themselves and stabbed him with his
 own knife)

 STATUE OF ST. GENIE'S DOG "MINX II"

-THUREEWHYZEMENN:

 From UFO, plant gift of thorny rose bush in
 park..."the thorn in the heart of joy, that St.
 Genie must always be taken seriously at the
 deepest level...Genie meditates on NuChurch
 rooftop garden, where angel GayBrie reveals death
 of his dog from thorn...hiking along Collingwood
 street becomes NuViaDolorosa.


-END:

 St. Genie placed his magic pen back in its special
 desk drawer, sat back and, with a grateful sigh,
 folded his completed tale of the Thureewhyzemenn.

---finis





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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: Jeffrey Croft 
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:58:24 -0700

Ezekiel Krahlin wrote:

> Quadruple the transit system vehicles...outlaw all cars...tear up half
> the streets and convert them to gardens. Turn the Castro into sacred
> ground, and build the world's first lesbian/gay church...where all
> worldviews will have an equal stand, including atheism, pantheism,
> paganism, as well as Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, etc. In
> the Catholic sector, for communion wafers we can use little gummy
> jockstraps.

Woo hoo! Let's do it!

          Jeff
jdcroft@deathtospammers.best.com



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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 04:35:42 GMT

On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:58:24 -0700, Jeffrey Croft
 wrote:

>Woo hoo! Let's do it!

I'll put you in charge of the Woo hoo division.


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---
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for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts!
http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm

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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: Jeffrey Croft 
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:15:09 -0700

Ezekiel Krahlin wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:58:24 -0700, Jeffrey Croft
>  wrote:
>
> >Woo hoo! Let's do it!
>
> I'll put you in charge of the Woo hoo division.

Woo hoo!!!!! Woo hoo!!!! :)

   Jeff
jdcroft@best.*nospam*.com



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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:11:59 GMT

On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:15:09 -0700, Jeffrey Croft
 wrote:
>> I'll put you in charge of the Woo hoo division.
>
>Woo hoo!!!!! Woo hoo!!!! :)

Actually, you already put yourself in that position! I only
acknowledged your excellent office.


---
Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says:
"Throw the hetero over the fence some hay."
---
The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only:
http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/
I come like a thief in the night!
---
Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass
for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts!
http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm

========
Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: Jeffrey Croft 
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:03:05 -0700

Ezekiel Krahlin wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:15:09 -0700, Jeffrey Croft
>  wrote:
> >> I'll put you in charge of the Woo hoo division.
> >
> >Woo hoo!!!!! Woo hoo!!!! :)
>
> Actually, you already put yourself in that position! I only
> acknowledged your excellent office.

That's usually how it happens for me. ;)

Jeff Croft
Senior Manager, International Woo Hoo Division



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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:31:53 GMT

On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:03:05 -0700, Jeffrey Croft
 wrote:

>> Actually, you already put yourself in that position! I only
>> acknowledged your excellent office.
>
>That's usually how it happens for me. ;)
>
>Jeff Croft
>Senior Manager, International Woo Hoo Division

Well, you know, being a Woo Hoo master is no light thing! Humor is the
greatest healer of all.  Woo Hoo!!

P.S.; I appreciate your ability to disagree with me, without feeling
you need to resort to slurs against my mental health. That was getting
terribly old, and *embarassing for me to see how this negative
attitude was flowing from the keyboards of my gay brothers and
sisters. I thought it would only come from homophobes.


---
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"Throw the hetero over the fence some hay."
---
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http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/
I come like a thief in the night!
---
Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass
for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts!
http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm

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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 20:42:03 GMT

As of today, Sept. 14, 1998, the official name of my main web site is
no longer "Ezekiel Krahlin's Home Page for our Hellenic Family", but
is now:

THE FINAL TESTAMENT: A Bible by and for the Gay Community, only.

Please take note that this Bible will include and revere *all world
views as *equally valid and important as any other, including atheism,
paganism, and pantheism...as well as Judaism, Islam, Christianity,
Buddhism, etc. My essay, "Birth of the Final Testament" explains
further, the reason for creating this Bible:

	http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/write/birth.htm



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"Throw the hetero over the fence some hay."
---
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http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/
GodHatesBreeders@HetBeGone.com
---
Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass
for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts!
http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm

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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 21:28:51 GMT

--------------------------------------------------------------
Permission granted by author for anyone to distribute this
writing free of charge (including translation into any
language)...under condition that no profit is made therefrom,
and that it remain intact and complete, including title and 
credit to the original author.

Ezekiel J. Krahlin
ezekielk@iname.com
--------------------------------------------------------------

LOVE LETTER FROM JESUS TO HIS DADDY

©1998 by Ezekiel Krahlin


what you really sent me when you mailed
that photograph was your 

     big bright beautiful smile! 

and when I saw that
     gorgeous grin 
     like the brilliance of the rising sun

the ice age ended for me

     i'm a little old-fashioned
     never bother to cook my mastodon
     in a microwave
     or even shake n bake it
     for that matter

and the eternal spring cast its first
rays of golden light on my heart

the little buddie that has stood
beside you for so long
now opens his first petals
to the radiance of your soul
     just watch me grow and change into
     your boy of sweet innocence
     you are truly a man to admire
     as the flowers turn their faces
     to the sun
     i turn my heart to you
     and our arms embrace each other
     across this great continent
          can't wait to explore
          your continental divide

what great fun it is     to shoot our wads
at each other across three thousand miles
     my cup runneth over with the nectar
     of your masculine seed
     don't stop now babe cause i'm ridin'
     my big bronco in the sky
          i weep tears of joy across your broad shoulders
          and the great rains fall upon the world

          even daddies need daddies
          so i service you with a lube job
               change of oil
          and pump you full of high octane premium
          like the hot stud that i am
          cum to me for service
          and you'll always get a lot of freebies and
               "bonerses"
          my supply is stocked for eternity and i'd rather
          give it away to a loyal comrade
               than let it build up     or
               sell it for dirt

love me randolph
as no one ever has loved me before
love me for the child that i am
     so wondrously wrought by gods loving hands
     according to the blueprints of your dreams

know that i am still a virgin      like mom
     an embarrassing confession
     though zeus will do anything for a
     thunderous laugh
          is it my fault that i'm the butt of his jokes
               though the butt of his dreams as well?

love me randolph
for i see the world through innocent eyes
and can never understand man's unkindness
     even satan is my good buddie
     for i cannot conceive of a god
     that does not love every single one of his creations
i believe we are all given the keys to the gate
     some sooner    some later
and since the first shall be last
and the last shall be first
     it seems that lucifer should be the first
          lucifer   myself    your first begat
          radiant angel of light
          sacrificed as the supreme test
          for the endurance of our souls
          which you have so incredibly wrought
               o blacksmith of olympia

the scent of the flower of my soul
is for your olfactory nerves only
and as i open to you     my star
the jet stream of angels shall waft my pollen
over lovely amish country
and reach that adorable sexy nose of yours
     and when it hits    will it hit

     you think i'm acting silly and foolish
     now       this is gonna be lots of fun
     to see you grow into god himself
          through my eyes only
     and you yearn so bad to be with me
     that you'll break loose from your cast
          lo and behold  thou art healed
          this very moment

     and take the first jet you can to san francisco

     you will become a puppy in my hands
          for you already are this in my heart
               as i surely am to you
     i'll have no less than your absolute trust
     for you now know
          beyond a shadow's doubt
     that you can really trust me
     with all your heart

          and what a sterling heart you have
          my silver maned stallion
          how lovely you look in that picture
          your hair is becoming a crown of pure silver
               what a man     what a father
          would that
               if you feel like delighting
               the heart of your little pony
          you send a lock of your hair
          that i may carry it close to my heart
               in a locket
          at all times
               until the day i am finally
               in your cool strong arms
          it would well ease my pain for lack of thou
          and is a most romantic old-fashioned custom
          of true love and friendship

               oh but i shall sleep eternally
               should you spurn my soul's call
               to his mate

i sing for thou     and only thou
     my dearest little chipmunk
     my light of salvation
     my knight in shining armor
     my fountain of joy
     my father

     builder of dreams
          is there not a single dream of mine
          that you won't fulfill?
               architect of the universe that i am
               i nevertheless beg of you
               not to overestimate my skills
               for i am still an apprentice
          thou dost honor me greatly beyond any dream
          i ever had
               i know full well
          but i beseech thee to take a day off
          and get some rest        good man

          besides   i have been left alone to guard your
               house
          while you've been slaving away all day at the
               factory
          and a lonely heart is not what you want for me
               i've only been trying to get that through
               your lovely preoccupied head

now randolph you do understand my situation
     i am very certain
the hour is now and the time is short
and i need to be in your arms
before the curtain falls on this first act
     there is infinite strength confidence
     and joy from two comrades in love
     fighting armageddon at each other's side

your heel has been healed with a more durable steel
    achilles
hasten to my side on winged feet   mercury
o    belerephon     the first horse of the apocalypse
let me mount you so we can lead the armies to the
     battlefield
     rear your head with pride     sexy steed
     as we forge through the dark flanks
     of satan's cohorts       counting a victory
     for each head we anoint
          and all shall be anointed

our love is the victory
celebrate now  for the weapons we bear are
arms of joy
arms of devotion
arms of humor
arms of flowers
arms of smiles
and armfuls and armfuls of boys
     and they are all invincible

          and best of all     i get to lick the good humor
               man's
          humongous popsicle
               as long as my little heart so desires
          and he always keeps a full supply in the freezer
               so i can thaw them out with my tongue
               and roll the vanilla ice cream in my mouth
               before gulping it down

dad       thou art my sundae special
drive up in a truck
cause it rhymes with fuck
drop your change belt and shove that
pink hard treat where it tastes most sweet
then let me daddy daddy let me
do you any way i please
     the only popsicle for which i yearn is yours daddy
     all the others smell so bad i can't even get near them

     let me tear off your shirt
     and rest my head on your manly chest
     as i reach through your fly to find something
          big to suck on
     and let me slide those spotless white pants
     over your muscular legs
          which you raise in the air to
          ease me on home

please daddy please let me do even more
let me make your big nest slippery with my saliva
     your buoyant eggs shall ride
     the waves of ecstasy
let me taste the sweetness of your crown
     and the first dew that drops on my lips
let me pierce your tight sphincter
with the dart of my slippery tongue
and let me raise your legs so that i can pierce
even deeper
     my hot breath smothering your fiery balls
     your cock so stiff it feels like it's going to
     burst from your skin
          what bursts instead is a fountain of ice cream
          for we are in candyland

and daddy
don't stop cumming  ever
i am your only child     your boy
who shall always thirst for your manhood
without satiation

     squirt yourself all over me
     and glide your rough hands over
          my face
          my shoulders
          my chest
          my back
          my belly
          my waist
          my hips
          my ass

               do this for me
               and my thighs will quiver to be open to
                    yet always resist
               the plunge of your finger reaching for the
                    button
               that ejaculates me into whatever opening
               you put before me

i will always cum every moment we touch
so you'll have to spend several delightful more minutes
to sweeten me for the true coupling
     the moment i start rubbing my nest into yours
     i'll explode all over you
     and you'll have to tie me down
     in order to get me through the gate
          but then i'll really buck
          and you'll have to grab onto my horn
          to keep me down

and please daddy
wrap your strong arms and legs around me
to keep me down deep
deep inside you
     for when i finally emerge
     you will jerk in spasms of cum
     as i yank it out and plunge it in many times
          i will do it slow
               and do it fast
          i will do it smooth
               and do it hard
          but i will always do it good
          and do it so sweet
          your tongue will hang from your mouth
               yearning to wrap it around my fat joystick
               even though you can't
               because st. peter is busy shoving you
               through the pearly gates
                    entering heaven is like passing
                    through the eye of the sphincter

sudden    you relax
drop your heavy-muscled calves onto my back
and i slide the last three inches into you
     easily    easily         safely
     locked in heaven's mansion
     we moan our eternal comradeship to each other
     as my river of love flows smoothly through the gates
     into the land of milk and honey

my darling father
i want to bring you so much joy
i ache with need for you
the joy you already bring to me
     though three thousand miles away
is already far beyond what even i
     your very talented son
could begin to describe
     my talents spring from the loins of inspiration
     thou art that fountain from which i drink
          oh, i shiver to even think of your loving
          caresses on my trembling flank
          this little pony is so incredibly blessed
          to rest his muzzle on the powerful legs
          of his silver stallion stud

randolph       goodest and bestest friend for all time
i feel like i am your doctor who delivers you
only i am easing your rebirth into your soul's
next level     heaven
god has given me the incredible honor
to be your midhusband
     to make your new birth painless as possible
     and to stand guard to spank you
          should you have difficulty with

          your first breath
you are in confident hands my son
this is my specialty
i have already delivered you
without so much as a painful twinge of response
     so that you didn't even realize you were birthing

          now look around you randolph
               after reading this letter
          and see for yourself that it is a different
          and better
          world out there

then come to my side
for i have worked round-the-clock for many days
in order to be sure of a perfect birth for my love

     and i shall collapse in your arms
     with complete confidence that
          as my doctor now
     you will ease my own birth into heaven

     and into your heart


-----finis



---
Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says:
"Throw the hetero over the fence some hay."
---
The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only:
http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/
I come like a thief in the night!
---
Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass
for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts!
http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm

========
Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: jayteefl@aol.com (JayTeeFL)
Date: 15 Sep 1998 12:42:48 GMT

In article , cubsfan@cjnetworks.com
(Mike Silverman) writes:

>> On Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:21:35 GMT, jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J.
>> Northwood) wrote:
>> 
>> >And you _are_?
>> 
>> San Francisco's best kept secret. 
>
>No, that would be the clean, fast, friendly and efficient public-transit
>system.


and here i was thinking it was hotel metro...clean, comfortable, and at 60
bucks a night, way more affordable than any other hotel i've ever stayed at in
sfo.

prince jace <---- giving the fine folks of hotel metro a free plug...look 'em
up, at the interesection of haight and davisadero.

http://members.aol.com/jayteefl/   

"we're one, but we're not the same...we get to carry each other..."


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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 07:20:53 GMT

On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:29:37 GMT, wstewart@hi.net (Ward Stewart)
wrote:

>I am a psychiatric nurse and spent years and years working with the
>mentally ill -- I do NOT and have NOT condemned then in a "foul,
>stereotypical manner," or in any other manner.

Being a nurse or doctor in that field, does not necessarily make you a
competent or qualified healer.

>THEN., we have a special group of folks who are "disabled" and are
>relieving public money and decline to accept treatment for their
>illness.  

I am not part of that group...though you previously implied that I
was. However, may I remind you that we live in a democracy, and every
person has a right to decide which kind of treatment to accept, and
which kind to refuse. You, Wart, seem rather draconic in this
matter...as well as extraordinarily blind to the psychic aspects of
the so-called schizophrenic. Haven't you studied any of Carl Jung's
writings?

>The SSI runs on out of all our pockets and they are in line
>for that but not for treatment.  

One would consider that a society that abuses and bullies the meek,
would be feared by same, and not be trusted for anything necessary to
life and limb. You would blame a rotten situation created by social
ignorance, on the very people who suffer most from the slings and
arrows of stigmatism.

>If I had my way in the matter, their
>SSI would be cut the hell off and that money spent on those who are 
>honestly struggling with their disabilities.

And a "Heil Hitler" to you, Wart!


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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 07:42:44 GMT

On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:29:37 GMT, wstewart@hi.net (Ward Stewart)
wrote:

>If I had my way in the matter, their SSI would be cut the hell off 
>and that money spent on those who are  honestly struggling with 
>their disabilities.

What treatment opitons are there for the poor, who also have
psychological disturbances? None. Often, they wind up homeless. Such a
caring, compassionate society, eh? Were I not a "borderline" variety,
I would likely have wound up homeless myself. In fact, I did for two
years! But fortunately, in my case, I possessed the wits to fight for
my right to live a decent life. What about all those who can't fight
for themselves, Wart?

These people who cannot defend themselves, number a large proportion
of homeless and otherwise condemned. This is what has come of
attitudes like yours, that are now integrated into the larger
society...the larger, bigoted, and hostile society.

The type of treatments that can really help, are not provided by the
measly MediCal and MediCare provisions. Nor have they ever, even in
our most affluent and liberal years! It was somewhat better than
now...but still, genuine help, healing, and compassion were
nonetheless rare and stingily-given commodities.

For me, the best therapy has always been talk therapy...not
medication. But what can I do when the funds for therapy are so cut
back, that I've been reduced from seeing a doctor once a week, to once
every other week...to now, where I can only visit a therapist once a
month for 45 minutes!

In fact, the best psychological treatment for a majority of the
troubled, who also are usually low-income and poverty stricken...is
Jungian therapy, one of the most compassionate and effective methods
to ever exist. But as things have turned out, this kind of treatment
is only available to the affluent, and those with quality insurance.

But little Nurse Ratchet Ward, would kick 'em all offa their measly
stipend...just because they refuse to swallow the pills he wants to
force down their throats. I have news for you, Wart: these are human
beings, no less than you are. In fact, more so!


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for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts!
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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 05:25:11 GMT

On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:29:37 GMT, wstewart@hi.net (Ward Stewart)
wrote:

>If I had my way in the matter, their SSI would be cut the hell off 
>and that money spent on those who are  honestly struggling with 
>their disabilities.

So, Wart, tell me: how many of these "deadbeats" have you actually
encountered? Just give me a ballpark figure, or a percentage...
compared to all the "deserving" patients you've met. In your long and
honored nursing career, I'm sure you can back up your claims.



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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 20:57:26 GMT

On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:29:37 GMT, wstewart@hi.net (Ward Stewart)
wrote:

>If I had my way in the matter, their SSI would be cut the hell off 
>and that money spent on those who are  honestly struggling with 
>their disabilities.

Wart, I am still waiting on your reply, as to: How many of these kinds
of "bums" have you actually encountered...either on the job as a
nurse, or elswhere? Just give me a ballpark figure; and perhaps some
of the things you've heard them say. I really want to know where your
attitude comes from, if not just out of the blue.




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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 06:34:27 GMT

On Wed, 09 Sep 1998 11:35:07 -0700, Jeffrey Croft
 wrote:

>> I have never accused you of being harmful to the gay community, Wart.
>> It is *you who accused me of this. However, you do possess some
>> narrow, elitist view that *are harmful to gay progress. For one, you
>> instantly condemn anyone who says he has a mental disability...in such
>> a foul, stereotypical manner comparable to a homophobe's condemnation
>> of gays.
>
>You're lying. You just made all that up.

Okay, I have consolidate all the messages make slurs about my mental
disability. Shameful, to say the least, coming from gays against
another gay person. If you doubt my references, you can veryify them
yourself, by searching for them on Deja News. The ignorance and
hatefulness they display is astounding.

Such prejudiced notions as Wart seems to have about the mentally
disabled, I find rather alarming, considering his career as a nurse.
He's more of a Nurse Ratchet, than Nurse Nightingale. Here are his
ignorant slurs about my disability, in the thread "Of the political
will to be and remain gay", newsgroup alt.politics.homosexuality:


=========

From: wstewart@hi.net (Ward Stewart)
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 01:22:48 GMT

Stiffen your unwillingness --- Zeke is a certified banana and a loose
cannon --  

=========

From: wstewart@hi.net (Ward Stewart)
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 19:04:53 GMT

What makes you suppose that he can "see" anything?  Our Zeke is some
sort of basket case

=========

From: wstewart@hi.net (Ward Stewart)
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 00:36:23 GMT

It must be noted that you do feel a need for the monthly check that
keeps you reenforced in your delusions.  Money provided by the wicked
taxpayers of AmeriKa so that you may obtain treatment for your
problems -- you spurn the treatment but take the check....

When pigs fly!  -- his delusion is that he does not need to "work on
his paranoia."

=========

From: wstewart@hi.net (Ward Stewart)
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:49:02 GMT

It is, of course, a civil rights issue, a human rights issue -- my
exasperation with nutso Zeke is that by representing himself, in all
his paranoia and lameness,

=========

From: wstewart@hi.net (Ward Stewart)
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 02:01:26 GMT

hint -- it's not in the CrackerJack box but in the medicine chest
under the Thorazine tablets.

=========

From: wstewart@hi.net (Ward Stewart)
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 00:28:48 GMT

If nearly psychotic notions running around in an empty attic are an
"ideal," his notions may qualify -- until then they are an absurdity.

=========

From: wstewart@hi.net (Ward Stewart)
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 19:05:01 GMT

They may or may not be gay -- however it is clear that they are not
..nor, for the most part, are they paranoiac nut-cases.

=========

From: wstewart@hi.net (Ward Stewart)
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 00:36:18 GMT

>Zeke should be more careful about what he posts; if the government ever
>finds out he's not *really* mentally ill, but is rather a "visionary",
>he's gonna find himself in a whole heap o' trouble.

Were it up to me, the thought disordered folks who decline to have
their disability treated would be off the rolls in a New York Minute.

"I am disabled because I lost a leg! -- I refuse to wear a prosthesis,
I cannot hop to work,  and therefore am entitled to benefits."  NOT!

=========================================================
=========================================================

Okay, done with Wart for the moment. Now, here are other participants'
vulgar comments about my disability...all from the same thread as
Wart's articles, except the last:


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From: conrads@neosoft.com (Conrad Sabatier)
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: 23 Aug 1998 10:28:18 GMT

Zeke should be more careful about what he posts; if the government
ever finds out he's not *really* mentally ill, but is rather a
"visionary", he's gonna find himself in a whole heap o' trouble.

=========

From: italiangm@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 22:58:43 GMT

Go get your meds adjusted, Zekey-poo. You're give gay people a bad
name by demonstrating your ineptitude in public.

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From: gdft@olaksncbuegfhs.com (aSh [ r-l)
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:13:49 GMT

Well Zeke, you deserve that government check. You are obviously
completely deluded in your thinking and suffering severe psychosis.

=========

From: gdft@olaksncbuegfhs.com (aSh [ r-l)
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:13:52 GMT


And as we all know Zeke's disability is homosexuality and he receives
a government check for it. Lazy bastard, get a job.

=========

From: gdft@olaksncbuegfhs.com (aSh [ r-l)
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:13:53 GMT

Says everyone, psycho....

In your case, they can also be paranoid schizoids.

=========

From: gdft@olaksncbuegfhs.com (aSh [ r-l)
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:13:54 GMT

Then stop slopping at the taxpayer trough and go get a job, lazy
bum....

Except that you are merely collecting a check because you are too lazy
to work.

Zeke, you are a damn bum. You are paranoid, but you could easily get a
job. You are just another example of the scum who uses government
programs because they're too damn lazy to work.

=========

From: Michael Thomas 
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: 15 Aug 1998 11:27:56 -0700

I see. A welfare queen....

ie, you're a blood sucking leach that the rest of us have to carry
around by working overtime....

Right. We work in the way that reality perceives it, so that you can
suck off that fat government teat and then whine about how wronged you
are when anybody who works 12 hour days finds your contributions, such
as they are, lacking.

If you don't want the judgment, stop slopping at our trough.

=========

From: criminal 
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 05:29:49 -0500

They need to get a fucking job. I have no pity for the perfectly abled
that refuses to go to a business and get an application. It has been
proven that someone on a 20k salary can make themselves a millionaire
by the time they retire, with nothing but that 20k to support them.
There is no excuse for being poor, unless you are disabled. Once
again, I have no pity for lazy fucks....

There are no victims of social ills. You make yourself a victim by
choosing to BE a victim....

Number one cause of poverty: Laziness....

The poor can only blame themselves.

=========

From: criminal 
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 05:16:16 -0500

A-Fucking-Men to that!!! This is one of the biggest points about Zeke
that pisses me off. he sits there all day, whining about
heterocentrism and its "power" whatever the fuck that means, and tries
to tell me that I am a right wing conservative and I am bending to the
heterosectrist way, meanwhile, I'm trying to pay the bills and put
food in my belly, and my taxes are doing just that for HIM!!! The
gall...

=========

From: look@my.sig4address (Magenta)
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: 16 Aug 1998 04:14:21 GMT

This idiot who spends his life bitching and moaning about how awful
this country is and calling it "Amerika" is living off welfare!?! What
a fucking jackass....

You milk us of all our hard-earned money. The LEAST you could do is be
thankful to this country that you get it....

most of us are not totally dependant, and bitch and moan about the
country that feeds you for doing nothing but bitching and moaning....

This gives us a lot of insight about your whole mindset- you are an
entirely dependant individual. You do not think or act on your own,
you do not stand up for yourself, so you just sit and bitch and moan,
and curl up into a little ball hoping for some rainbow paradise
because you just can't face the real world....

I consider you a selfish bitch who is living off the government while
bitching about how awful the government is.

=========

From: criminal 
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 05:43:41 -0500

Oooh, it goes against your conscience to participate in it, but you
have no qualms when you go out to your mailbox every month and pick
that welfare check out of it and cart your tired ass over to the bank,
eh? Fuck you....

His 'own' ethics:

"Let all these people pay for my food! yay! I can go jerk of and think
about hot young men!"

Fuck you....

It is the working (wo)man that deserves these rights... not a
mooch....

Um... I work to eat and cloth and house myself... unlike you, moocher.

=========

From: sheroux@europa.nospam.com (RavensHeart)
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:14:24 GMT

You are a slacker.  Period.  You are paid from the public till by a
government you don't like.  You are a leach....

You are a psychotic.

=========

From: sheroux@europa.nospam.com (RavensHeart)
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:03:20 GMT

What a load of bullshit.  You are taking the food out of the mouths of
those who legitimately need state assistance....
  
While you pick from the groaning board of public welfare....

You are a lazy slacker.  "violate my own nature" my ass...you are a
con...pure and simple....nothing special...just a con.

=========

From: sheroux@europa.nospam.com (RavensHeart)
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 06:14:29 GMT

Idiot.  It is because it is so draconic that they haven't cut you
loose for being such a scam artist....

What you are, is a loon....

Again....you're a loon.


=========

From: sheroux@europa.nospam.com (RavensHeart)
Subject: Re: Of the political will to be and remain gay
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 14:17:16 GMT

Now that you have resolved your schizo delusionary world, try working
on your paranoia next

=========

Author: J. Northwood
Email:  jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net
Date:   1998/08/15
Forums: alt.politics.homosexuality
In thread "Re: Article in this weeks NEWSWEEK" J. Northwood said:

. . . now give me my government money so I can slink back into my
rent-controlled apartment

=========================================================



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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. Northwood)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 06:56:10 GMT

On Sat, 12 Sep 1998 06:34:27 GMT, ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel
Krahlin) wrote:

< snip >

>Okay, done with Wart for the moment. Now, here are other participants'
>vulgar comments about my disability...all from the same thread as
>Wart's articles, except the last:

< snip >

And you whine about people taking _you_ out of context?

Sheesh!

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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:44:47 GMT

On Sat, 12 Sep 1998 06:56:10 GMT, jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J.
Northwood) wrote:

>And you whine about people taking _you_ out of context?

They were not taken out of context...the statements stand alone with
distorting the obvious malicious intent behind them. Were I to include
the entire message for each statement, you'd have a humongous,
unwieldy article. I bothered to spend the time and tedium of tracking
down the evidence...so it is only fair that anyone in doubt of my
claims, to check for themselves, using Deja News.


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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: Frank Martinez Lester 
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 01:33:59 -0700

[[Okay, I have consolidate all the messages make slurs about my mental
disability. Shameful, to say the least, coming from gays against
another gay person. If you doubt my references, you can veryify them
yourself, by searching for them on Deja News. The ignorance and
hatefulness they display is astounding.>>

From my reading, these were messages making slurs about EK's subsistence on
GA & boasting about it & thumbing his nose at those who pay into it, not
about his being disabled.

Still perhaps ignorant & shameful, but not in the way that EK claims they
are.




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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:45:04 GMT

On Sat, 12 Sep 1998 01:33:59 -0700, Frank Martinez Lester
 wrote:

>From my reading, these were messages making slurs about EK's subsistence on
>GA & boasting about it & thumbing his nose at those who pay into it, not
>about his being disabled.

This is just part of their prejudiced attitudes...assuming I'm on
G.A., collecting food stamps. Totally untrue. However, I don't see why
anyone should group people receiving G.A. as deadbeats, either.

>Still perhaps ignorant & shameful, but not in the way that EK claims they
>are.

Ignorant and shameful no matter how you look at it. I was accused of
lying about Nurse Ratchet Wart's bigoted remarks...well you got an
armful!

Wart Stewart is only degrading his own dignity as a gay activist and
person...and for whatever strange reason, he persists in doing so.



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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: "James Doemer" 
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 13:29:27 -0400


Ezekiel Krahlin wrote in message <35fa94e4.4925284@nntp.sj.bigger.net>...
>On Sat, 12 Sep 1998 01:33:59 -0700, Frank Martinez Lester
> wrote:
>
>>From my reading, these were messages making slurs about EK's subsistence
on
>>GA & boasting about it & thumbing his nose at those who pay into it, not
>>about his being disabled.
>
>This is just part of their prejudiced attitudes...assuming I'm on
>G.A., collecting food stamps. Totally untrue. However, I don't see why
>anyone should group people receiving G.A. as deadbeats, either.

Not anyone, there are many people that have a legitimate need for GA,
just those that can work, but refuse.

>
>>Still perhaps ignorant & shameful, but not in the way that EK claims they
>>are.
>
>Ignorant and shameful no matter how you look at it. I was accused of
>lying about Nurse Ratchet Wart's bigoted remarks...well you got an
>armful!
>
>Wart Stewart is only degrading his own dignity as a gay activist and
>person...and for whatever strange reason, he persists in doing so.
>
>
>
>---
>Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass
>for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts!
>http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm
>---
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>http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/



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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 22:06:17 GMT

On Sat, 12 Sep 1998 13:29:27 -0400, "James Doemer"
 wrote:

>Not anyone, there are many people that have a legitimate need for GA,
>just those that can work, but refuse.

And who *are these people; where are they? And how many are they
compared to the ones in true need? Are we speaking here of anything
real, or just another insulting urban myth, in order to scapegoat an
innocent group?



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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:52:40 GMT

On Sat, 12 Sep 1998 01:33:59 -0700, Frank Martinez Lester
 wrote:

>From my reading, these were messages making slurs about EK's subsistence on
>GA & boasting about it & thumbing his nose at those who pay into it, not
>about his being disabled.

I was not thumbing my nose, nor boasting. I was giving my opinion as
someone who does not fit into the status quo mold. And typically, I
get elitist notions of bigotry and hatred, because I broke the tacit
code that people not working/collecting gov't stipend should neither
be seen nor heard. 

If you expect me to come off as some sort of contrite, apologetic and
spineless worm, then just forget it. My existence alone gains me a
right to a presence and a voice at the table of humanity...not
excluding the gay community.  I do not need any qualifiers, such as a
degree, a job, or certain signs of affluence that distinguish me from
the "underdogs", the social pariahs of our draconian Republic...before
I should speak up.

Learn to live with it, 'cause I'm not going away any time soon.


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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: john1@world.std.com (Fred Cherry)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:09:05 GMT

Jeffrey Croft  writes:

>Ezekiel Krahlin wrote:

>> I have never accused you of being harmful to the gay community, Wart.
>> It is *you who accused me of this. However, you do possess some
>> narrow, elitist view that *are harmful to gay progress. For one, you
>> instantly condemn anyone who says he has a mental disability...in such
>> a foul, stereotypical manner comparable to a homophobe's condemnation
>> of gays.

>You're lying. You just made all that up.

>Jeff
>jdcroft@nospam.best.com

Making things up is the homo style of arguing. For example, JTEM accused
me of racism, which is absolutely untrue. It is merely something he made
up.


john1@world.std.com (Fred Cherry)




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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: Jeffrey Croft 
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:36:00 -0700

Fred Cherry wrote:

> Jeffrey Croft  writes:
>
> >Ezekiel Krahlin wrote:
>
> >> I have never accused you of being harmful to the gay community, Wart.
> >> It is *you who accused me of this. However, you do possess some
> >> narrow, elitist view that *are harmful to gay progress. For one, you
> >> instantly condemn anyone who says he has a mental disability...in such
> >> a foul, stereotypical manner comparable to a homophobe's condemnation
> >> of gays.
>
> >You're lying. You just made all that up.
>
> >Jeff
> >jdcroft@nospam.best.com
>
> Making things up is the homo style of arguing. For example, JTEM accused
> me of racism, which is absolutely untrue. It is merely something he made
> up.

All generalizations are false. :) Nyah!

Followups to alt.support.crossposting and demon.local removed.

      Jeff
jdcroft@nospam.best.com



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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: john1@world.std.com (Fred Cherry)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:00:04 GMT

ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Crawlin' Krahlin) writes:

>On Tue, 08 Sep 1998 22:01:25 GMT, wstewart@hi.net (Wart Stewart)
>wrote:

>>To then be told by this silly that I am harming the gay-lesbian
>>community and have made no contribution equivalent to his nutso comic
>>strip and his howling on street-corners is INTENSELY offensive --
>>stupid too! 

>I have never accused you of being harmful to the gay community, Wart.
>It is *you who accused me of this. However, you do possess some
>narrow, elitist view that *are harmful to gay progress. For one, you
>instantly condemn anyone who says he has a mental disability...in such
>a foul, stereotypical manner comparable to a homophobe's condemnation
>of gays.

>Nor have I ever said you have made on contributions. I did say that,
>while your contributions are commendable, it does not do you much good
>to smear other's achievements only because they do not appeal to your
>right-wing viewpoints.

>Your labelling me as "nutso" and a "howler" shows clearly your
>superficial branding of gays with radical inspirations...without ever
>looking into the person whom you degrade. And as I said earlier, you
>are only racking up more points for bad karma in your life...and
>smearing what good reputation you have earned.

>Were I the nut you claim, I would *not be garnering support from many
>corners, including qualified lawyers. In fact, the tide is turning in
>my favor, and I now have more supporters than attackers.

You say you have more supporters than attackers? Wadaya say we take a poll
on that?

>---
>Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass
>for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts!
>http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm
>---
>My website kicks (but never licks) butt!
>http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/

Your head is up your butt!


john1@world.std.com (Fred Cherry)



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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: "James Doemer" 
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 21:47:58 -0400


Nicole Lasher wrote in message <35F4D9C4.C63F674E@netvision.net.il>...
>
>
>Frank Martinez Lester wrote:
>
>> Nothing is good enough for the Almighty Krahlin.
>>
>> 
>
>Yeah, and how many loves of your life have died recently?
>I ask you, how would you feel, or react, if you had to watch people you
>loved die slowly?

Lost my first wife to diabetes...    Lost my brother to an auto accident.

>What if their deaths had a cause?

All deaths have a cause.

>Would you not try to do something about
>it?

Depends on what it is.

>Have you ever watched someone, or some agency, or some "system" slowly
crush
>the life out of someone who was dear to you?

Have you?   I think that you will find that there isn't too many people
here who hasn't lost a freind, relative, loved one, etc to AIDS.   Including
myself and I've not gay.

>Or maybe you've never had anyone who was that dear to you?
>Try to learn something about the people you are talking to.

Take your own advice.





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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 00:27:57 GMT

On Tue, 8 Sep 1998 21:47:58 -0400, "James Doemer" 
wrote:

>Lost my first wife to diabetes...    Lost my brother to an auto accident.

Another courageous statement to make in the public arena.


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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 02:31:50 GMT

On Tue, 08 Sep 1998 09:16:21 +0200, Nicole Lasher
 wrote:

>Yeah, and how many loves of your life have died recently?
>I ask you, how would you feel, or react, if you had to watch people you
>loved die slowly?

Apparantly, even this horror of gay genocide is not enough to bring
out their rage...and if not enough at this point, it never will! Even
if I disagree completely with some participant's viewpoints...when
they do bring up the topic of the death of a loved one...I take pause
for empathy, and to make it clear I respect them for dealing with it,
regardless.

However, the moment I first even mentioned my own lover's death, was
there even a momentary blip of understanding? Nope! It was business as
usual: attack Zeke for all your hurts...because he's mentally
disabled, and deserves to be kicked around, just like heteros kick us
gays.

Now, enough time has passed to reveal these people as some of the
worst kinds of human dregs that pose as the most pious. Sorry to see
these are ones who call themselves "gay"...but I guess it takes all
kins. However, this is the  material that's out there, no better; and
I work with whatever the fates provide. I'll do my best with old,
cheap clay, if nothing better comes along.

One would think that the legacy of AIDS would have softened the hearts
of gays toward each other, and transformed our community into a
stronger force. Alas, it has not changed one whit from pre-AIDS eras.
Those gays who were decent before, are the decent ones now. No more,
no less. What a shame.


---
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for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts!
http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm
---
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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: Frank Martinez Lester 
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 20:51:52 -0700

[[One would think that the legacy of AIDS would have softened the hearts
of gays toward each other, and transformed our community into a
stronger force. Alas, it has not changed one whit from pre-AIDS eras.
Those gays who were decent before, are the decent ones now. No more,
no less. What a shame.>>

I do not agree with this completely, but I definitely understand the
sentiment.  The second wave has not quite exploded yet, but when it does, it
will be a doozie.




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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 22:30:10 GMT

On Tue, 08 Sep 1998 20:51:52 -0700, Frank Martinez Lester
 wrote:

>I do not agree with this completely, but I definitely understand the
>sentiment.  The second wave has not quite exploded yet, but when it does, it
>will be a doozie.

I *am the second wave, dufus! What do you think my voice stands for?
You wouldn't know the second wave if it hits you over the head...and
it is, it is! Say hello to the second wave...though you can call me
Zeke.


---
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for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts!
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---
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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: Frank Martinez Lester 
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 23:04:57 -0700

[[I *am the second wave, dufus!>>

[[You wouldn't know the second wave if it hits you over the head...and
it is, it is! >>

Even when someone agrees with him EK cannot help but vent hostility & hurl
insults.




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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: Jeffrey Croft 
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:32:07 -0700

Ezekiel Krahlin wrote:

> I *am the second wave, dufus! What do you think my voice stands for?
> You wouldn't know the second wave if it hits you over the head...and
> it is, it is! Say hello to the second wave...though you can call me
> Zeke.

You're so insulting. No one is ever capable of understanding your
oh-so-enlightened motives for more than five minutes at a time, are they?

Jeff
jdcroft@nospam.best.com



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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: Frank Martinez Lester 
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 00:01:40 -0700

Jeffrey Croft wrote:

> Ezekiel Krahlin wrote:
>
> > I *am the second wave, dufus! What do you think my voice stands for?
> > You wouldn't know the second wave if it hits you over the head...and
> > it is, it is! Say hello to the second wave...though you can call me
> > Zeke.
>
> You're so insulting. No one is ever capable of understanding your
> oh-so-enlightened motives for more than five minutes at a time, are they?
>
> Jeff
> jdcroft@nospam.best.com

Our great Mikado, virtuous man,
When he to rule our land began,
Resolved to try a plan whereby
Young men might best be steadied.
So he decreed, in words succinct,
That all who flirted, leered or winked,
Unless connubially linked,
Should forthwith be beheaded, beheaded, beheaded,
Should forthwith be beheaded.

And I expect you'll all agree
That he was right to so decree.
And I am right and you are right
And all is right as right can be.

This stern decree, you'll understand,
Caused great dismay throughout the land,
For young and old and shy and bold
Were equally affected.
The youth who cast a roving eye
Or breathed a non-connubial sigh,
Was thereupon condemned to die.
He usually objected, objected, objected,
He usually objected.

And you'll allow, as I expect,
That he was right to so object.
And I am right and you are right
And everything is quite correct.

And so we straight let out on bail
A convict from the county jail,
Whose head was next, on some pretext,
Condemned to be mown off,
And made him headsman, for we said,
"Who's next to be decapitated cannot cut off another's head
Until he's cut his own off, his own off, his own off,
Until he's cut his own off."

And we are right, I think you'll say
To argue in this kind of way.
And I am right and you are right
And all is right! Too-loo-ra-lay!

And we are right, I think you'll say
To argue in this kind of way.
And I am right and you are right
And all is right! Too-loo-ra-lay!

And we are right, I think you'll say
To argue in this kind of way.
And I am right and you are right
And all is right! Too-loo-ra-lay!



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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. Northwood)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:24:03 GMT

On Fri, 11 Sep 1998 00:01:40 -0700, Frank Martinez Lester
 wrote:

< snip >

>Our great Mikado, virtuous man,

      . . . < snip > . . .

>And all is right! Too-loo-ra-lay!

I _ADORE_ Gilbert and Sullivan.

Thankyouthankyouthankyou.

(I thank you, Nanki-poo thanks you . . .)

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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: Frank Martinez Lester 
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:07:03 -0700

J. Northwood wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Sep 1998 00:01:40 -0700, Frank Martinez Lester
>  wrote:
>
> < snip >
>
> >Our great Mikado, virtuous man,
>
>       . . . < snip > . . .
>
> >And all is right! Too-loo-ra-lay!
>
> I _ADORE_ Gilbert and Sullivan.
>
> Thankyouthankyouthankyou.
>
> (I thank you, Nanki-poo thanks you . . .)

You're welcome!





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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 07:20:58 GMT

On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:32:07 -0700, Jeffrey Croft
 wrote:

>You're so insulting. No one is ever capable of understanding your
>oh-so-enlightened motives for more than five minutes at a time, are they?

Being quicker-witted will certainly take you further.


---
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for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts!
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---
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http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/

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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: Frank Martinez Lester 
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:05:04 -0700

[[Being quicker-witted will certainly take you further.>>

As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
     I've got a little list--I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
     And who never would be missed--who never would be missed!
There's the pestilential nuisances who write for autographs--
All people who have flabby hands and irritating laughs--
All children who are up in dates, and floor you with 'em flat--
All persons who in shaking hands, shake hands with you like
     that--
And all third persons who on spoiling tˆte-…-tˆtes insist--
     They'd none of 'em be missed--they'd none of 'em be missed!

CHORUS.   He's got 'em on the list--he's got 'em on the list;
               And they'll none of 'em be missed--they'll none of
                    'em be missed.
There's the banjo serenader, and the others of his race,
     And the piano-organist--I've got him on the list!
And the people who eat peppermint and puff it in your face,
     They never would be missed--they never would be missed!
Then the idiot who praises, with enthusiastic tone,
All centuries but this, and every country but his own;
And the lady from the provinces, who dresses like a guy,
And who "doesn't think she waltzes, but would rather like to
     try";
And that singular anomaly, the lady novelist--
     I don't think she'd be missed--I'm sure she'd not he missed!

CHORUS.   He's got her on the list--he's got her on the list;
               And I don't think she'll be missed--I'm sure
                    she'll not be missed!

And that Nisi Prius nuisance, who just now is rather rife,
     The Judicial humorist--I've got him on the list!
All funny fellows, comic men, and clowns of private life--
     They'd none of 'em be missed--they'd none of 'em be missed.
And apologetic statesmen of a compromising kind,
Such as--What d'ye call him--Thing'em-bob, and
     likewise--Never-mind,
And 'St--'st--'st--and What's-his-name, and also You-know-who--
The task of filling up the blanks I'd rather leave to you.
But it really doesn't matter whom you put upon the list,
     For they'd none of 'em be missed--they'd none of 'em be
          missed!

CHORUS.   You may put 'em on the list--you may put 'em on the
               list;
               And they'll none of 'em be missed--they'll none of
                    'em be missed!

You may put 'em on the list--you may put 'em on the
               list;
               And they'll none of 'em be missed--they'll none of
                    'em be missed!





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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 05:26:08 GMT

On Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:05:04 -0700, Frank Martinez Lester
 wrote:

>As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
>     I've got a little list--I've got a little list

This is all well and good...but I hardly think Jews who kept lists on
their perscutors, which led to the Nuremburg Trials...are at all wrong
in so doing. There are lists, and then there are lists. Some have
great validity...even life-saving value...even liberating.


---
Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass
for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts!
http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm
---
My website kicks (but never licks) butt!
http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/

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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: Jeffrey Croft 
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:44:57 -0700

Ezekiel Krahlin wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:32:07 -0700, Jeffrey Croft
>  wrote:
>
> >You're so insulting. No one is ever capable of understanding your
> >oh-so-enlightened motives for more than five minutes at a time, are they?
>
> Being quicker-witted will certainly take you further.

Another insult from a bitter, hateful, man, ladies and gentlemen. Is anybody
surprised? I'm not.

What a symbol for gay liberation, eh?

  Jeff
jdcroft@nospam.best.com



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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: Frank Martinez Lester 
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:54:01 -0700

[[What a symbol for gay liberation, eh?>>

Indeed.




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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: wstewart@hi.net (Ward Stewart)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 00:15:40 GMT

On Tue, 08 Sep 1998 20:51:52 -0700, Frank Martinez Lester
 wrote:

>[[One would think that the legacy of AIDS would have softened the hearts
>of gays toward each other, and transformed our community into a
>stronger force. Alas, it has not changed one whit from pre-AIDS eras.
>Those gays who were decent before, are the decent ones now. No more,
>no less. What a shame.>>
>
>I do not agree with this completely, but I definitely understand the
>sentiment.  The second wave has not quite exploded yet, but when it does, it
>will be a doozie.
>
>

My experience of the Gay/Lesbian  community and its relationship to
the HIV virus has been quite otherwise -- The price has been hideous
but the effect has been tonic in the extreme.

There was, in those "good old days," a disconnected community under
terrible and negative attack, discounted as worthless, as less than
human, as trivial, "light in the loafers." Fairies.  Our long long
history known to only a few and discussed by that same few. We were,
most of us timid and intimidated.  Since the ONLY information,
scientific and religious, available to us indicated that we were to be
seated below the salt, only a relatively few of us managed to hold
ourselves above the shit-storm.

Since then we have acquired a commonality of interest, an awareness of
our real position in society and an awareness of what our position
should be, MUST be in a decent society.  

ward



  

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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: Frank Martinez Lester 
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 23:06:45 -0700

[[Since then we have acquired a commonality of interest, an awareness of
our real position in society and an awareness of what our position
should be, MUST be in a decent society.  >>

Um ..... NOT!!!




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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: wstewart@hi.net (Ward Stewart)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:57:15 GMT

On Wed, 09 Sep 1998 23:06:45 -0700, Frank Martinez Lester
 wrote:

>[[Since then we have acquired a commonality of interest, an awareness of
>our real position in society and an awareness of what our position
>should be, MUST be in a decent society.  >>
>
>Um ..... NOT!!!
>
>

The word NOT is pehaps just a little short of a contribution to the
Socratic Dialogue.

ward


***********************************************************
"I am constantly mystified by this notion of "disagreeing" 
with homosexuality -- not unlike disagreeing with Tuesday -- 
like it or not, every seven days, there it is -- TUESDAY.
                                    uncle ward
***********************************************************

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Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is ..... uh .....
From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:12:24 GMT

On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 00:15:40 GMT, wstewart@hi.net (Ward Stewart)
wrote:

>Since then we have acquired a commonality of interest, an awareness of
>our real position in society and an awareness of what our position
>should be, MUST be in a decent society.  

Awareness of ourselves as a people, was already taking shape prior to
the arrival of the plague. I believe AIDS has done more to set us
back, then had we never experienced this awful disease in the first
place.  The loss of many wonderful souls...including my own lovers and
friends...is a great loss of wisdom and power.

What will win us our rights, is not whatever "wisdom" may have been
garnered by AIDS (which is highly dubious)...is a destiny that will
override any eventual attempt to annihilate us. Some will call it
divine intercession, others will call it a very lucky turn of events.
Both will be correct.


---
Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass
for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts!
http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm
---
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http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/