MY GAY-RIGHTS CARTOON IS CHARGED WITH COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT!
(newsgroup: alt.politics.homosexuality) -- PART 4 OF 4

======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: "James Doemer" Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:33:47 -0400 Bill Lindemann wrote in message <35ED443F.A487CC8@ix.netcom.com>... >Ezekiel Krahlin wrote: > >> MY PEENUT AGENDA >> (c) 1998 by Ezekiel J. Krahlin >> >> "I will gladly remove my Peenuts parody, if Mr. Schulz will promise in >> writing, that he will add a gay character or two in his regular >> Peanuts comic strip. > >How in hell do you expect him to do that? If you haven't noticed,the main >gimmick in Peanuts is that you never see an adult. Thank you!! That is my point about Peanuts! The pre-teen characters interact with each other. Rarely, if ever, do they reference any adults, or interact with adults. >They >are all offstage, and their presence is only inferred. Do you seriously >think the Simpsons, for instance, is homophobic because the only >gay characters introduced are adults? Matt Goening *is* gay and >yet he knows it would be going off the deep end to introduce an >explicitly gay character (that funny piece of business in one episode >that implied Martin is gay notwithstanding) that is a child. > >The reason people are flaming you is that you have inexplicably picked >one of the more innocuous cartoons to do battle with, when heterocentrist >puff-pieces like "Family Circus" sit unmolested. Remember, when >people see you coming out of left field they either *ignore* you or >*make fun* of you. If you can't see this, consider how you felt when >you saw Fred Cherry post that every gay man's fantasy is to knock female >prostitutes unconscious and then fill their pussies with plaster of paris. >That was a surreal masterpiece! It immediately brought back memories >of the best of Zippy the Pinhead. But it did nothing to make me want to >agree with Fred Cherry, as it came STRAIGHT OUT OF LEFT FIELD! > >'Nuff said. > >-Bill > > ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 04:09:15 GMT On Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:33:47 -0400, "James Doemer" wrote: >Thank you!! That is my point about Peanuts! The pre-teen characters >interact with each other. Rarely, if ever, do they reference any adults, or >interact with adults. Since when are all gays only adults? --- "Some Thracian now enjoys my blameless shield, which I unwillingly left beside a bush. But I was saved; what do I care about that shield? Let it go, I'll get another no worse." - Archilocus, 7th Century BC --- My website kicks (but never licks) butt! http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ GodHatesBreeders@HetBeGone.com ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: michelle@michelle.org (Michelle Steiner) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 18:21:25 -0700 In article <35ee1604.6335011@nntp.sj.bigger.net>, ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com wrote: >>Thank you!! That is my point about Peanuts! The pre-teen characters >>interact with each other. Rarely, if ever, do they reference any adults, or >>interact with adults. > >Since when are all gays only adults? How many gay five-year-old children do you know? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | Michelle Steiner | "An it harm none, do as thou will. | | michelle@michelle.org | That is the whole of the law." | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 10:58:33 GMT On Thu, 03 Sep 1998 18:21:25 -0700, michelle@michelle.org (Michelle Steiner) wrote: >>Since when are all gays only adults? > >How many gay five-year-old children do you know? I was. I knew my attraction was for men, at 4! Furthermore, one is not an adult until 21...or 18, to be generous. You really don't even argue well. You left out all children from the age of 6 to 17! What, you thought I wouldn't notice that, or something? Now, before you jump on me again, for saying there are no children older than 5 in Peanuts...I'd say: what is your problem with have a gay character, or a discussion of gays in Peanuts? I see nothing wrong with that, and everything right. --- Right-wing queers are all it takes To fill gay rights with rattlesnakes. --- My website kicks (but never licks) butt! http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ GodHatesBreeders@HetBeGone.com --- Either URL below, will keep you updated with my "Pee Nuts" copyright issue: http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/copyrite.htm http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 08:50:05 GMT On Tue, 01 Sep 1998 23:40:01 -0700, Frank Martinez Lester wrote: >You have an agenda. Already, I have something to add. Insert the following paragraph right above the next-to-the-final paragraph that starts with "May Charlie Brown, our little friend...": ---begin paragraph For as we raise our children, so bends the tree. And if gays remain invisible to them in our daily comic strips, as well as in other media so influential to the formative psyche...then we cannot expect anything better than future generations fearing and villifying gays. ---end paragraph --- "Some Thracian now enjoys my blameless shield, which I unwillingly left beside a bush. But I was saved; what do I care about that shield? Let it go, I'll get another no worse." - Archilocus, 7th Century BC --- My website kicks (but never licks) butt! http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ GodHatesBreeders@HetBeGone.com ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 22:25:31 GMT On Tue, 01 Sep 1998 12:32:15 -0700, Frank Martinez Lester wrote: >[[My Peanuts satire is a severe criticism against gay censorship in >mainstream comic strips...and a strong stand for gay rights.>> > >I don't think it is. I couldn't disagree more. > >The Baker & Hostetler lawyers are obviously harassing Krahlin far out of >proportion to his ability as one person with limited resources to respond, Harassment plain and simple. >as all (corporate) lawyers are trained & expected to do, with but rare exception, lawyers are trained to be the sharks of capitalist dogma. Hard core capitalism is our modern day fanatic religion that puts itself above the laws, any laws. >but Krahlin set himself up for such treatment by illegally using >the images, posting them on his website, and, not only that, offering >the image as a "fund raiser for lesbian/gay groups" PLUS asking >for "1% of sales of all items using this image ... send me a contract." I thought I was clear about this in my previous message...plus you will find my explanations available to anyone who can read, on my Pee Nuts web site. Yes, I did set myself up: to create a media splash, in order to have a voice for gay rights. But illegally? I think not. As I stated several times already, a parody that mimics another work of art, to make an important political or social criticism, is in itself an original work, as it transforms the meaning of the original piece being parodied. Thus, the parodist is free to sell his work, as well as display it, without any permission from the subject of his parody. If my parody is censored, then how much more valuable would that design be? And imagine the value of my original hand painting? Too bad I threw it away...as it could possibly have become quite valued, and in selling it, could buy my ticket to, and residence in, Holland. Oh woe is me, how could I ever thought to toss away the original? Woe, woe, woe! If it is not censored, I will still become famous as a result...and the gay community could use this very hot, controversial design for fund raisers...with my collecting a meager 1% of all sales. Now, imagine this design in stickers, key chains and decals, sold around the world! Say, 100 million of them total for a dollar each...so how much would I collect at a penny per dollar? We might be in for a surprise...perhaps Schulz will show a kind heart, and approve of my criticism. Then what? Snoopy dolls with the pink triangle! Charlie Brown, Lucy, Peppermint Patty, et al...with a cute little rainbow flag! And Schulz and I would share a cut of the profits...with the biggest chunk going to gay rights causes. >And I also think, having loved Charles Schulz' strips from the time I was >a toddler, that his strips are far from being "anti-gay" just because they >do not include debates between Charlie Brown & Linus about gay civil >rights. I find Krahlin's labelling of Schulz as "anti-gay" offensive. You are too much the apologist. Considering the importance of the gay issue, as it means the difference between life and death...one would assume any hetero celebrity who remains silent on the gay issue--though speaks up for many others--is a likely homophobe. While Peanuts and his gang may live in a squeaky-clean vaccumm, the auther, Charles Schulz, certainly does not. (Though one could make a case for this, as regards the environs of Santa Rosa, California.) >In fact, I personally feel that reading Schulz' strips were a big help to >me in my childhood. They were one of the few things I saw in the media >that celebrated kookiness, diversity, & difference, not to mention the >pain of childhood in a conformist society. He had a black comic strip >character before it was socially acceptable to do so. He had strong >female characters before it was socially acceptable to do so. Yes, point well made: Schulz has covered just about every important social except one. And guess which one that is? >Lucy: "You can't drift along forever.....You have to direct your >thinking.....for instance, you have to decide whether you're going to be a >liberal or a conservative.....you have to take some sort of stand.....you >have to associate yourself with some sort of cause....." Zeke: "Mr. Schulz, you can't drift along forever, blissfully ignorant of an important human rights issues that your probable homophobia blinds you to...for instance, you have to decide whether you're going to be pro or anti-gay...you have to take some sort of stand, there is no middle road in this...you have to associate yourself with some sort sof gay cause, to put yourself above suspixcion..." >Prove to me that this is "anti-gay" or anti-anything except conformity and >I will eat the book I got it from. If this goes to court, we shall find out just how pro or anti gay Mr. Schulz is. And if he turns out to be pro-gay, then it certainly is time for him to honor the gay community by representing *our minority in his comic strip. We're here, we're queer, good grief! --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm --- My website kicks (but never licks) butt! http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: Frank Martinez Lester Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 23:01:12 -0700 [[If this goes to court, we shall find out just how pro or anti gay Mr. Schulz is. And if he turns out to be pro-gay, then it certainly is time for him to honor the gay community by representing *our minority in his comic strip.>> Yawn. ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:46:04 GMT On Wed, 09 Sep 1998 23:01:12 -0700, Frank Martinez Lester wrote: >Yawn. This isn't the only thread in town. No one's asking you to stay. --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm --- My website kicks (but never licks) butt! http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: Frank Martinez Lester Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:24:56 -0700 [[This isn't the only thread in town. No one's asking you to stay.>> Yawn. ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: wstewart@hi.net (Ward Stewart) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:57:17 GMT On Wed, 09 Sep 1998 23:01:12 -0700, Frank Martinez Lester wrote: >[[If this goes to court, we shall find out just how pro or anti gay Mr. >Schulz is. And if he turns out to be pro-gay, then it certainly is >time for him to honor the gay community by representing *our minority >in his comic strip.>> > >Yawn. > > This is a nonsensical line of speculation -- before the Peanut's Characters are hailed befor the Thracian Inquisition one might do well to conduct an investigation of the terrible terrible "phobes at Popular Mechanics." I have not read in that splendid journal for many years but as of my last paying attention they had made NO MENTION of homosexuality. ward *********************************************************** "I am constantly mystified by this notion of "disagreeing" with homosexuality -- not unlike disagreeing with Tuesday -- like it or not, every seven days, there it is -- TUESDAY. uncle ward *********************************************************** ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: Frank Martinez Lester Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:59:24 -0700 [[This is a nonsensical line of speculation -- before the Peanut's Characters are hailed befor the Thracian Inquisition one might do well to conduct an investigation of the terrible terrible "phobes at Popular Mechanics." I have not read in that splendid journal for many years but as of my last paying attention they had made NO MENTION of homosexuality. >> Another good lawsuit/parody might involve Newsweek, which last month devoted a cover story to the so-called ex-gay movement & to a nice little poll that estimated that 62% of straights think gays kissing each other in public really sucks & really makes the nice-ums straight folks purty damn nervous. ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: Bill Lindemann Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:50:23 +0000 Frank Martinez Lester wrote: > Another good lawsuit/parody might involve Newsweek, which last month devoted > a cover story to the so-called ex-gay movement & to a nice little poll that > estimated that 62% of straights think gays kissing each other in public > really sucks & really makes the nice-ums straight folks purty damn nervous. I have little trouble with Newsweek doing a cover story on these people, since they've done cover stories on gay rights in the past. What bothers me are the current standards for "objective" journlism, which require the obligatory airing of opposing views when the topic has a rough balance of opinion, and is not too controversial, Thus, 'phobes always get a sound bite about homosexuals being a danger to society when gay rights is being reported, but the KKK does not get to say "blacks are subhuman and should be used only as slaves" when civil rights is reported. Even more, you don't see Newsweek bending over backwards to get NAMBLA's point of view to "balance" an article about abused children. So they don't *really* balance all points of view, just those that there is enough pressure on them to air. -Bill ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 07:19:53 GMT On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:50:23 +0000, Bill Lindemann wrote: >Thus, 'phobes always get a >sound bite about homosexuals being a danger to society when gay rights >is being reported, but the KKK does not get to say "blacks are subhuman >and should be used only as slaves" when civil rights is reported. Even more, >you don't see Newsweek bending over backwards to get NAMBLA's >point of view to "balance" an article about abused children. So they don't >*really* balance all points of view, just those that there is enough pressure >on them to air. Most excellent point, Bill. This very same reason I gave against the publishing of anti-gay ads, including in a major newspaper in "gay mecca". First, give us an even playing field to start with, before presenting any publication as giving "equal voice" to homophobic editorials. Unfortunately, attacking gays is still fair game, and the noble thing to do, in a large part of our society, which outnumbers by far the core religious reich. --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm --- My website kicks (but never licks) butt! http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: Jeffrey Croft Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:49:27 -0700 Ezekiel Krahlin wrote: > Most excellent point, Bill. This very same reason I gave against the > publishing of anti-gay ads, including in a major newspaper in "gay > mecca". First, give us an even playing field to start with, before > presenting any publication as giving "equal voice" to homophobic > editorials. > > Unfortunately, attacking gays is still fair game, and the noble thing > to do, in a large part of our society, which outnumbers by far the > core religious reich. It's true. When I opened that newspaper and saw that ad, I felt really sad and alone. Then I got over it and remembered that I'm not. It served as a reminder that we still have a long way to go and that our enemies are really slimy. Jeff jdcroft@nospam.best.com ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 05:25:43 GMT On Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:49:27 -0700, Jeffrey Croft wrote: >It's true. When I opened that newspaper and saw that ad, I felt really sad and >alone. Then I got over it and remembered that I'm not. It served as a reminder >that we still have a long way to go and that our enemies are really slimy. Ahhh...but we do not have a long way to go, fortunately. I believe there will soon be certain suprising advances on behalf of gay rights, that will set the world in a tailspin. I will certainly be one of the activists responsible for this rapid upswing. --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm --- My website kicks (but never licks) butt! http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: Jeffrey Croft Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:51:38 -0700 Ezekiel Krahlin wrote: > >It's true. When I opened that newspaper and saw that ad, I felt really sad and > >alone. Then I got over it and remembered that I'm not. It served as a reminder > >that we still have a long way to go and that our enemies are really slimy. > > Ahhh...but we do not have a long way to go, fortunately. I believe > there will soon be certain suprising advances on behalf of gay rights, > that will set the world in a tailspin. I will certainly be one of the > activists responsible for this rapid upswing. I hope you're right. Look how long it has taken for progress on equal rights for black people, though. I'll bet we're still fighting this war in 20 years; even if we make rapid advances, there will still be lots of bigots out there. Jeff jdcroft@nospam.best.com ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 20:32:41 GMT On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:51:38 -0700, Jeffrey Croft wrote: >I hope you're right. Look how long it has taken for progress on equal rights for >black people, though. I'll bet we're still fighting this war in 20 years; even if >we make rapid advances, there will still be lots of bigots out there. I am a visionary. I have insight into matters of the human spirit. But I don't believe in not providing any proof to whatever claims I make. Let the next two months prove me out, or prove me a liar. --- Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says: "Throw the hetero over the fence some hay." --- The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ GodHatesBreeders@HetBeGone.com --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. Northwood) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 21:14:36 GMT On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 20:32:41 GMT, ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) wrote: >I am a visionary. I have insight into matters of the human spirit. But >I don't believe in not providing any proof to whatever claims I make. >Let the next two months prove me out, or prove me a liar. Target date -- 14 November 1998. ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 04:35:52 GMT On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 21:14:36 GMT, jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. Northwood) wrote: >>I am a visionary. I have insight into matters of the human spirit. But >>I don't believe in not providing any proof to whatever claims I make. >>Let the next two months prove me out, or prove me a liar. > >Target date -- 14 November 1998. Fair enough. --- Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says: "Throw the hetero over the fence some hay." --- The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ I come like a thief in the night! --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: cubsfan@cjnetworks.com (Mike Silverman) Date: 15 Sep 1998 10:18:12 -0500 In article <35fde180.3378062@nntp.sj.bigger.net>, ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com wrote: > On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 21:14:36 GMT, jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. > Northwood) wrote: > > >>I am a visionary. I have insight into matters of the human spirit. But > >>I don't believe in not providing any proof to whatever claims I make. > >>Let the next two months prove me out, or prove me a liar. > > > >Target date -- 14 November 1998. > > Fair enough. Hey, that's after the election is over. So if you are some kind of super-prophet, what will be the GOP/Democrat split in the House of Representatives after the election. Also, how many votes will Barbara Boxer get in her Senate race? -- Mike Silverman -- cubsfan at turnleft.com -- Lawrence, KS http://www.turnleft.com/personal ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:11:38 GMT On 15 Sep 1998 10:18:12 -0500, cubsfan@cjnetworks.com (Mike Silverman) wrote: >Hey, that's after the election is over. So if you are some kind of >super-prophet, what will be the GOP/Democrat split in the House of >Representatives after the election. I may be gifted, but I don't know *everything. Nor can I foretell specific issues, except in my own life. General trends, major shifts in society, are my forte. Suffice it to say, however, that extraordinary changes in both parties will leave them totally changed. It will be very hilarious...many incumbents will be swept away...a third party shall become prominent. >Also, how many votes will Barbara Boxer get in her Senate race? I don't know. Anyone who is truly out to defend gays, shall be victorious. If, however, there are any skeletons in the closet, one may not win a seat. If Ms. Boxer is true to the gay cause, she shall win. Is she really? I don't know, that's not my job. Leave it to some other angels. --- Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says: "Throw the hetero over the fence some hay." --- The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ I come like a thief in the night! --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: Jeffrey Croft Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:54:26 -0700 Ezekiel Krahlin wrote: > On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:51:38 -0700, Jeffrey Croft > wrote: > > >I hope you're right. Look how long it has taken for progress on equal rights for > >black people, though. I'll bet we're still fighting this war in 20 years; even if > >we make rapid advances, there will still be lots of bigots out there. > > I am a visionary. I have insight into matters of the human spirit. But > I don't believe in not providing any proof to whatever claims I make. > Let the next two months prove me out, or prove me a liar. OK. That would be cool. What, exactly, do you think will happen by the 14th of November? Jeff jdcroft@best.nospam.com ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 04:35:58 GMT On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:54:26 -0700, Jeffrey Croft wrote: >> I am a visionary. I have insight into matters of the human spirit. But >> I don't believe in not providing any proof to whatever claims I make. >> Let the next two months prove me out, or prove me a liar. > >OK. That would be cool. What, exactly, do you think will happen by the 14th of >November? Let's see: Well, San Francisco will become the focus of the world, because of some very revolutionay actions taken by gays...not the least of which is the takeover of the local government by The Blue Rose Militia...world's first gay militia. It is also likely I will make a big media splash regarding the Pee Nuts copyright issue...causing further disruptions and civil dissent throughout our entire society. I will declare war upon Amerika. Before I go on, some preliminary explanations are due. (1) Most of what I'm about to predict is covered in my web site section that contains my writings...in metaphorical fashion: http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/write.htm (2) I gave myself a grace period of two months...when actually I believe some evidence as to my gift of prophecy will occur much sooner...two weeks or less from now. (3) I am some sort of born-again Christian, though certainly not in any conventional manner. For example, we have the right to make fun of our own Lord, with expressions such as "Jesus fuckin' Mary up the butthole" and the like...for it is a person's *actions that count, far more than one's words. Christ and His Father are 100% gay. My form of Christianity holds all other religions and world views as equally valid and important...including atheism and paganism. In fact, Christ's first incarnation was as God's first creation, Lucifer...who later incarnated as Apollo, Alexander the Great, Jesus Christ, and others less well known. There is also an anti-matter universe, where God is female, and her daugther is the female Christ. Their spirits are due to arrive soon, as we shift into this new age. There shall become known to the world, my female counterpart, though I myself have no idea yet, who she may be. But certainly, she'll be one hell of a dyke to watch out for! Since God gave us each a marvelous mind to figure things out for ourselves, then He certainly would not condemn anyone for believing there is no god, or for believing in other gods. In fact, He often dresses in drag to appear before altars of lesbians worshipping the goddess...though how many he has actually fooled remains to be seen. What God and Goddess care about most, is just that we treat ourselves and each other with respect and kindness...otherwise, they don't care what our world view is, even if it's atheist. Any society that does not make the well being of all its citizens a top priority, is a doomed society. Amerika, as we now know it, is doomed. The angels are wickedly funny, as well as wickedly beautiful. Devils perform anal intercourse with their tails...in fact, that's specifically their tails' purpose. When inside you, they puff up. How do I know this? Don't ask! Let's just say I have a vivid imagination. (4) In my dreams and visions, I have often been told of my destiny, and regarded as a very significant leader...though I did not always believe these things literally, and would mock myself in my own tales, such as "The Future Belongs to MOI" and "Jesus on the Okra Winfree Show". But now, I have gone too far in my spiritual maturity, to realize my role as a shaman, and a leader in this next gay revolution, which is gonna be a doozy! I do not know who I really am, other than Zeke. I am either Christ Himself, or He chooses to possess me for some wonderful purpose, for a while. I also have in my spirit, Apollo, Lucifer, and some others, including God. I believe that, as a shaman, I am meant to experience being one of these gods...in order to be an intermediary, a messneger, a medium. Of course, we each contain this essence of God, but in my case, it's really gotten quite out front there. I do know that the Kabbala states that when some people become enlightened to the godhead, they experience being God...and this may be what has happened to me. It is an experience open to all, who finally reach that sacred level. (5) I am perhaps God's son who forget who he was, and is now awakening into remembrance. On this theory, then, my Father made me forget, in order to surprise me, sort of a joke. Who is my Father? I believe, one Randolph Taylor, with whom I have fallen deeply in love...and who supposedly died in 1993...though I now believe it's a sham, and Randy really went into hiding. I believe that perhaps God and His son reincarnate through each generation of the human race, and discover each other again, in each lifetime...though not necessarily always knowing who they are, beyond their present incarnations. They play these kinds of games all the time. Another theory I have, is that God and His Son chose to use me and Randy, to play a wonderful game with us as the blessed pawns. Why? I think because, I so love Randolph, that even the angels wept for me...hence, I am receiving a great gift. That old saying, "When you save the life of one man, you save the world", may be that reward. The other theory I have, is that from studying Carl Jung's theory of archetypes, I stumbled onto a key that empowers me to shape part of reality to my own liking. However, I prefer to believe that God (or Goddess) is just making some of my dreams come true. Be it known: I have no problem if I am not any kind of "god", but just Zeke...as it is my incredible imagination and psychic powers that make me great, in and of themselves. Another theory is that I am something new in the universe, an avatar of sorts...and there is no explanation for who I am, except that this is how God made me. (6) My main mission is to recognize the same power in other gays, as equal to me, and in some cases superior. In this sense, I am a creation of all the struggles of gays that came before me. I am what you have all wished and prayed for...and I owe my very existence to you...even those gays who continue to villify me. For if I were not tasted (whoops, Freudian slip!) tested by my own brothers, how would I be able to grow beyond such petty energies to become a leader? I am a leader in the truest sense of the word: for a leader first and foremost, *serves the people he is to liberate. I am the next step in human evolution...and damn it, I'm gay! Now, more prophecy: Randolph, *my Randolph, will show up with an army of lesbian and gay soldiers. I will at all times be surrounded and protected by a core of these soldiers...who will be armed, and who will escort me to any restaurant I want, to eat anything I want, for free. We will be redistributing monies so that no gay man or woman go homeless, or without good medical care, and friends. This will begin our own form of gay welfare and underground economy. It will rapidly go beyond the confines of S.F., and become a national grassroots movement. You can learn more about Randolph Taylor, on my special site dedicated to him at: http://www2.fortunecity.com/village/weaver/76/ There, you will find several articles about him...which I'm sure you'll find most enlightening. A network of gay revolutionary vanguards will form around the planet, and cause sweeping victories around the world. We will take over most of the media. Some of you now reading this message, will become part of this network...which is telepathic, and which I call The Blue Rose Militia. The awareness that has dawned in my heart and mind, will likewise dawn in many other gays. This is not a dream, but a wonderful reality we are entering. The human race has only a great future ahead, with gays as the vanguards. I had a vision some years ago, that the gods and goddesses of all cultures would rise up in my defense, over the Peanuts issue. Well, it looks like the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund will get me a crackerjack lawyer who specializes in First Amendment issues. Now, who are our contemporary deities? Comic book characters, of course...especially since children are far more inspired by them, than by any church teachings! Superwoman, Superman, Green Hornet, and so many others! Let's face it...even as adults, we love our comic books. They give us joy, refreshment, introspection, and a general escape from mundane reality. These are truly gods devoted to lighten our hearts...and now, they shall take a stand for *my victory, for *our victory. I think that, once something amazing happens around me, then those in this thread are likely to bombard me with all sorts of questions. My visions have shown me that miracles will be worked through and around me, in the light of day...so that no one could question what they saw, or disbelieve that I am extraordinary, and that I summon the angels to our world. A new religion shall be born through me, and a new Bible. I can only be joyful and amazed at this awesome gift...and gift which others equally deserve, and some even more so! Yet, for whatever reason, I have been chosen to be the catalyst. If I am truly God's only son, then of course you know He is only showing favoritism. Keep in mind that I am touching upon mysterious aspects one could regard as "magical" or "transcendental". And without any shame or hesitation I say: "Magic *is the way of the universe." Let me stop here, for now, so you can digest what I've said thus far. I am here to answer any and all questions. I am here to serve the gay community, and to bring it to a victorious climax that will astound the world. By the time I'm through, Gay Pride shall be so overwhelming, that every Catholic woman will pray nightly that her next child will be gay. Mea culpa, mea culpa! --- Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says: "Throw the hetero over the fence some hay." --- The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ I come like a thief in the night! --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: "Jody" Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 22:42:18 -0700 Ezekiel Krahlin wrote in message <35fde193.3396772@nntp.sj.bigger.net>... >>OK. That would be cool. What, exactly, do you think will happen by the 14th of >>November? > >Let's see: Well, San Francisco will become the focus of the world, >because of some very revolutionay actions taken by gays... As tragic as it is, schizophrenia is often very, very entertaining. Jody, who knows just how funny those angels are.... ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:43:38 GMT On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 22:42:18 -0700, "Jody" wrote: >As tragic as it is, schizophrenia is often very, very entertaining. I don't see schizophrenia as tragic at all. You must look at what form of schizophrenia a person has...as the label "schizophrenia" covers a lot of territory. Some forms of schizophrenia can be channeled into powerful creative energies...and in the long run, be most liberating. Of course, what we call schizophrenia today, was called possession, channeling, and receiving the spirit, in other times and other places. But of course, we are so much more enlightened these days, and know better, now don't we? However, in an age where we declare any visionaries, and those who claim to commune with angels as schizophrenic...it is difficult to honor such people, so instead we chemically lobotomize them...as has been done to one of Magenta's relatives, who has been frightened away from her spiritual gifts. You would be hard put to classify Carl Jung as schizophrenic...yet he certainly believed in angels...and called them "archetypes". He considered them just as real as anything else...only had a life in the collective unconscious, instead of the mundane. It is Carl Jung's lessons that have guided me through my schizophrenia...and to allow my archetypes to have a life within my own, without trying to suppress them. Jung himself claimed that certain forms of schizophrenia can be the key to one's personal liberation...if one bravely accepted the challenges ahead. My angels are not only entertaining, but very protective. Make sure your motives towards me are respectful, rather than malicious or sadistic. Be careful not to act upon your baser instincts...but learn how to put your own evil archetypes on the back burner. You will be surprised at the wisdom of my folly, and my willingness to make myself so vulnerable to strangers...forever vulnerable, considering this Usenet database never gets erased. It is my shaman's action to vulnerability, which gains me greater influence and abilities. I am putting my complete trust in the gay family at large...regardless of how many within that family would love to tear me to pieces. I sacrifice my soul on the altar of homophobia...and who attacks me first? Gays! My, my, what a realization! No hetero homophobe has yet attacked me, as vulnerable as I am. --- Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says: "Throw the hetero over the fence some hay." --- The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ I come like a thief in the night! --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: Bill Lindemann Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 03:00:14 +0000 Ezekiel Krahlin wrote: > I don't see schizophrenia as tragic at all. You must look at what form > of schizophrenia a person has...as the label "schizophrenia" covers a > lot of territory. Some forms of schizophrenia can be channeled into > powerful creative energies...and in the long run, be most liberating. > Of course, what we call schizophrenia today, was called possession, > channeling, and receiving the spirit, in other times and other places. And what we call "homophobia" and "hate crimes" and "murder"today was called "carrying out God's will" and "the just outrage of the community" in other times and places. Let's hear it for the automatic nostalgic assumption that the past was a simpler and purer time, and thus a better one. > However, in an age where we declare any visionaries, and those who > claim to commune with angels as schizophrenic...it is difficult to > honor such people, so instead we chemically lobotomize them...as has > been done to one of Magenta's relatives, who has been frightened away > from her spiritual gifts. As they say, when you talk to God it's called prayer, but when Godtalks to you it's called paranoia. I will interject one bit of seeming agreement with your position, Zeke. It has been quite clear to me for a long time that if Jesus returned to earth today and continued his ministry in the manner he did 2000 years ago, he would very quickly wind up either in a mental hospital heavily sedated, or in federal prison for life on a charge of terrorism supported by the evidence of the explosives, nerve gas, etc. that the feds planted in his residence and then "discovered" when they raided him. But, that said, I mean it as a two-edged sword. It is not clear to me based on Biblical evidence that Jesus wasn't a little crazy. And the behavior of many people today who claim they are acting in his name tend to make me believe that the Romans' mistake was not crucifying him sooner, before the damage had been done. > I > sacrifice my soul on the altar of homophobia...and who attacks me > first? Gays! Not everybody likes a martyr, Zeke, despite all the free publicity that Jesus got from his crucifiction. -Bill ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:11:50 GMT On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 03:00:14 +0000, Bill Lindemann wrote: >> I sacrifice my soul on the altar of homophobia...and who attacks me >> first? Gays! > >Not everybody likes a martyr, Zeke, despite all the free publicity that >Jesus got from his crucifiction. Oh, I do not believe in being a martry. That's self destructive. When I make a sacrifice, it is always with the intent of surviving it. "Always a saint, but never a martyr" is my saying. Now, with all your apt references to phonies perpetrating lies and destruction, including homophobia: let us not forget others who believed they were divinely guided, who did achieve positive social revolution and art. You can also point out all the evils perpetrated by rational, atheist people, too. Belief in the spiritual world has no bearing on whether or not such belief creates evil. You have to take each case individually. --- Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says: "Throw the hetero over the fence some hay." --- The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ I come like a thief in the night! --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: wstewart@hi.net (Ward Stewart) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:48:10 GMT On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 03:00:14 +0000, Bill Lindemann wrote: >Ezekiel Krahlin wrote: > >> I don't see schizophrenia as tragic at all. You must look at what form >> of schizophrenia a person has...as the label "schizophrenia" covers a >> lot of territory. Some forms of schizophrenia can be channeled into >> powerful creative energies...and in the long run, be most liberating. >> Of course, what we call schizophrenia today, was called possession, >> channeling, and receiving the spirit, in other times and other places. How about "channeling" these "powerful creative energies" into a useful job of work? ward > >I will interject one bit of seeming agreement with your position, Zeke. >It has been quite clear to me for a long time that if Jesus returned to >earth today and continued his ministry in the manner he did 2000 years >ago, he would very quickly wind up either in a mental hospital heavily >sedated, As one who spent some years in the admitting unit of a state hospital let me assure you that we seldom admitted the sane. or in federal prison for life on a charge of terrorism supported >by the evidence of the explosives, nerve gas, etc. that the feds planted >in his residence and then "discovered" when they raided him. Further improbability seeming illuminated by some sort of paranoiac notions -- Janet Reno cast, no doubt, in a satanic role. ward ================================================= "Gays have learned whining from blacks" -Cinque ================================================= ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: Bill Lindemann Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:03:46 +0000 Ward Stewart wrote: > or in federal prison for life on a charge of terrorism supported > >by the evidence of the explosives, nerve gas, etc. that the feds planted > >in his residence and then "discovered" when they raided him. > > Further improbability seeming illuminated by some sort of paranoiac > notions -- Janet Reno cast, no doubt, in a satanic role. No, not paranoia, just a realistic acknowledgement of the modern equivalent of a trial for "treason against the Roman Empire". Jesus was and is a dangerous man, at least to comfortable and smug members of the power elite. Since the public will not tolerate imprisoning men just for spreading powerful and heretical ideas, the government must use subtler methods, thus the false bust and trumped-up charges that are the current favorite. I am not being so radical as to claim that everyone who ends up in prison who believes they are there only for having unpopular opinions was framed, but that does not change the fact that this technique *is* used on sufficiently troublesome dissidents. Look into the history of Philip K. Dick if you'd like an example. -Bill ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:31:14 GMT On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:48:10 GMT, wstewart@hi.net (Ward Stewart) wrote: >How about "channeling" these "powerful creative energies" into a >useful job of work? What could be more useful than what I am now doing for gay rights, and have been doing for many years? I now feel I am adept and responsible enough, to accept monetary contributions to support my cause. I am a freelance gay rights activist...and I will now get paid by those who want to lend some financial support. Care to contribute towards my self-employment, Wart? I accept money order or cash. Here's my spiel: ---begin spiel GLOBAL HELLENIC REVOLUTION & RESISTANCE (financial funding is welcome) (NOTE: I use the word "Hellenic" to mean "lesbian/gay community.") Okay, now, to those who approve of my cause, and my political strategies, and want to lend a hand with financial support: Send money order or cash (no checks please, as I risk many homophobes sending me intentionally bad checks) to: Ezekiel J. Krahlin 584 Castro St., Suite 436 San Francisco, CA 94114 Or send material donations such as computer upgrades and other stuff I might think of later on. All monies/contributions will go directly into my gay rights cause in one way or another...and I will keep my contributions and expense record constantly updated, and made available to the public, on my web site. Not one penny will go towards "profit", or any other personal material gain. All contributors shall be given full credit for their donations...unless they request anonymity. I cannot accept anything that is C.O.D., or would cost me in any other manner. If you want your donation to go to something specific, please state in a letter to where you want it to go, such as: "computer equipment", "distribute to gay poor", "office expenses", for examples. If you do state a specific request which I cannot follow, I will immediately return said donation with a reasonable explanation. If you trust me to handle all donations honestly, you can always make your request: "Ezekiel Krahlin's cause for gay rights", or just don't make any specific statement. A present need: an entire, new computer system, as this one is rather old, now. I'd prefer two identical hard drives...one for backup...rather than something like a "zip" drive, as they are not very good. Here's what I'd like in a new system: - decent SVGA monitor - 64 MB RAM - Sound Blaster sound card - decent speakers - two 3-gigabyte hard drives - CD-ROM or DVD drive - 56 kilobyte external modem - 300MHz CPU or faster - 4MB 3-D video card Anyone who may really be serious about contributing a new computer system, please contact me first, as I know which brands are reliable and give you a lot of bang for the book...and which ones to avoid. Up, up and away! ---end of spiel >As one who spent some years in the admitting unit of a state hospital >let me assure you that we seldom admitted the sane. I now ask you for the fourth time: Where do you get your ideas that there are freeloaders and deadbeats leeching off the gov't coffers? Job experience, or elsewhere? Tell me how many people, approximately, you met, that are deadbeats...or give me some sort of percentage. And what do they say that makes you believe they are bums? You seem to be avoiding this question I've been posing, Wart. If you feel you are so correct in this, then why can't you even elaborate a tiny bit? I'm still waiting for some sort of answer. --- Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says: "Throw the hetero over the fence some hay." --- The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ I come like a thief in the night! --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: jayteefl@aol.com (JayTeeFL) Date: 16 Sep 1998 11:28:55 GMT In article <35ff6a70.11085937@nntp.sj.bigger.net>, ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) asks uncle ward: >Where do you get your ideas that there are freeloaders and deadbeats >leeching off the gov't coffers? Job experience, or elsewhere? you didn't ask me, but i will happily answer. my credentials include a master's in social work and five years as clinical consultant for crisis intervention in a large southeastern city, responding on site to clients experiencing psychiatric crisis episodes. as for the exact number, i would have to do a statistical analysis including each of my clients' records, but i believe i am safe in estimating the number of "deadbeats leaching off the gov't coffers" to be approximately 10% of all clients receiving disability checks, and 100% of those whose "disability" was actually polypharmaceutical dependence. you like big words, so i thought i would throw in a euphemism that means "drug addict." prince jace <----- exercising those old psychiatric skills...almost makes me want to practice again. i see a private practice, on the top floor of a skyscraper in a big city, sharing office space perhaps with a dentist or orthodontist... with clients that have simple adjustment disorders requiring old-fashioned psychotherapy instead of psychopharmacology, and a schoolteacher wife, a best friend that works for an airline, and...oh, wait a second, that's the original bob newhart show. never mind. http://members.aol.com/jayteefl/ "we're one, but we're not the same...we get to carry each other..." ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 17:55:57 GMT On 16 Sep 1998 11:28:55 GMT, jayteefl@aol.com (JayTeeFL) wrote: >In article <35ff6a70.11085937@nntp.sj.bigger.net>, ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com >(Ezekiel Krahlin) asks uncle ward: > >>Where do you get your ideas that there are freeloaders and deadbeats >>leeching off the gov't coffers? Job experience, or elsewhere? > >you didn't ask me, but i will happily answer. Well, I'm glad *someone answered. But even if no one did, I would have forged ahead, with my own viewpoint in this matter. >my credentials include a master's in social work and five years >as clinical consultant for crisis intervention in a large southeastern >city, responding on site to clients experiencing psychiatric crisis episodes. That may or may not qualify you as a true healer. I have met numerous social workers with the foulest attitudes towards a lot of their clients. >as for the exact number, i would have to do a statistical analysis including >each of my clients' records, but i believe i am safe in estimating the number >of "deadbeats leaching off the gov't coffers" to be approximately 10% of all >clients receiving disability checks, and 100% of those whose "disability" was >actually polypharmaceutical dependence. Okay, at least I have a number to play around with. >you like big words, so i thought i would throw in a euphemism that means "drug >addict." I had no difficulty comprehending what "polypharmaceutical" means...it is all too obvious: "poly" means "many", and "pharmaceutical" means "of drugs". You need not have explained. There was a time (before our society shifted to the political right), when drug addicts/abusers were considered victims, not criminals, nor undeserving of welfare and medical care and housing. In fact, Holland still regards them that way, and treats them with compassion, not as scapegoats for society's hatefulness. By maintaining hard drug addicts as criminals, we maintain a criminal system that perpetrates violence throughout our citys and towns, causing many of us to live in fear. We should have legalized all drugs a long time ago; thus eliminating a large part of the drug traffic violence that has decayed our society enormously. It is government that aids and abets the distribution of toxins to the masses, to keep them too crippled to fight for a better society. The gov't knows that, by making drugs legal, it would lose its control over the poor and disenfranchised, which includes blacks, gays, Native Americans, etc. We would become too healthy and too smart to accept our current downtrodden situations. These drug addicts are indeed victims...and our society uses them as scapegoats to make the poor grovel in pain and death...and to keep the rest of us in line...or else! You are only a social worker as is currently defined by the system...which really makes you an accomplice to the crimes of our gov't that poisons our minorities. How many gays have been diagnosed with AIDS, then given a "blood test" at the beginning of their "treatment"...in which the blood test itself gave access to corrupt, homophobic doctors to inject the actual plague into these hapless patients. Thus, they have a large pool of human bodies to experiment upon...disposable humans, for they are gays, considered less than human. Let us not forget this is being done to African and Native Americans, too. A social worker who is also a healer, will operate underground, in order to aid and nurture the poor souls suffering from society's evil. He or she will "cover" for them, in getting them decent care and housing. They would be like our allied spies in WWII, working as Nazis in order to pass information and help to the suffering. As for the rest of the so-called "deadbeats"...they are probably far, far less than 10%...more like 1 or 2 percent. Just because someone who is mentally troubled gives a social worker a hard time, or claims that he's living off the gov't...does not mean he is enabled enough to work. Often, it is the only power these people have, in a world which otherwise consistently denigrates them. So they stick their tongue out at Uncle Sam, even if it means they will lose their funding, and die in the gutters. This does not excuse us enabled people from not assisting our citizens who are so troubled and in need. It is more of a test of our own compassion. For the few genuine welfare cheats that exist, I'd say that is no excuse to cut back on the care so needed by the majority of welfare and disability recipients. If you are truly concerned about where our taxes go, you would direct your anger at companies like Chrysler, whose corporate welfare drains society's coffers like water in a sieve. White collar crime does far more to ruin a society, than any individual on welfare. It saps us of all the vital services required to maintain all citizens in good health and education. But, like the fools so many of us are, we have been duped to believe it is the "little man" on welfare, who is cheating us of our livelihood. After all, if gov't keeps us all so effectively divided, then we can never resist the totalitarianism that will eventually crush us all...though the poor and disenfranchised first, with your eager cooperation. It is interested that Wart remains mute on this issue, even when I confronted him several times already. If he is so sure of his claim, then why doesn't he speak up? --- Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says: "Throw the hetero over the fence some hay." --- The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ I come like a thief in the night! --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. Northwood) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 01:15:33 GMT On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 17:55:57 GMT, ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) wrote: < snip > >It is interested that Wart remains mute on this issue, even when I >confronted him several times already. If he is so sure of his claim, >then why doesn't he speak up? Possibly because he's addressed this repeatedly when more polite people--such as those who can spell his name correctly--have asked. You, or at least one of your little friends, _do_ know how to do a DejaNews search, don't you? ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:51:40 GMT On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 01:15:33 GMT, jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. Northwood) wrote: >Possibly because he's addressed this repeatedly when more polite >people--such as those who can spell his name correctly--have asked. He has been bluntly rude to me, before I ever dished it back. I'm afraid Wart is not the only one in this thread with nasty, hateful attitudes towards the jobless...attitudes that are not only uncalled for, but a vulgar, spiritual rape of some of our best human beings. I recommend you educate yourselves about the real issue of homelessness and the job market: Homelessness Series Links http://pw1.netcom.com/~jdmeyer/series_links.htm Homeless Online http://www.homeless.org/ Street Sheet http://www.homeless.org/coh/coh.html#streetsheet >You, or at least one of your little friends, _do_ know how to do a >DejaNews search, don't you? No, we're completly helpless against your will. Boo-hoo. Personally, I don't believe Wart can really justify his scapegoating of the homeless and welfare recipients...thus, he remains in guilty silence: an admission that my viewpoint in this matter stands correct. As for searching Deja News, for any comments Wart might have made, relating to "deadbeats"...that would take a long, long time of perusing his copious articles...sifting through the majority of worthless ones, to get to any meat. I really have more important things to do with my time. Furthermore, I have often repeated myself, to save others the trouble of searching through Usenet to find what I had already said on any matter. I believe Wart could do the same. --- Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says: "Throw the hetero over the fence some hay." --- The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ I come like a thief in the night! --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. Northwood) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 14:35:15 GMT On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:51:40 GMT, ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) wrote: >On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 01:15:33 GMT, jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. >Northwood) wrote: >>Possibly because he's addressed this repeatedly when more polite >>people--such as those who can spell his name correctly--have asked. >He has been bluntly rude to me, before I ever dished it back. Mmm-hmm. Sure thing, Stahlin. Just like all gay-friendly hets were rude to you before you ever dished it back, right? >I'm >afraid Wart is not the only one in this thread with nasty, hateful >attitudes towards the jobless...attitudes that are not only uncalled >for, but a vulgar, spiritual rape of some of our best human beings. Right. It'd be better if he gave them free web pages, right? >I >recommend you educate yourselves about the real issue of homelessness >and the job market: Thanks for the sites. I guess I don't know anything based on the work I do with the homeless, right? >>You, or at least one of your little friends, _do_ know how to do a >>DejaNews search, don't you? >No, we're completly helpless against your will. Boo-hoo. My will? Jesus Hetero Christ on a Crutch, princess, I made a comment about using DejaNews to search out some information. Get over yourself. >Personally, I don't believe Wart can really justify his scapegoating >of the homeless and welfare recipients...thus, he remains in guilty >silence: an admission that my viewpoint in this matter stands correct. ROFL! Gee, I guess since you don't always protest F.Cherry's N****A slurs, _you_ really _do_ support them, right? >As for searching Deja News, for any comments Wart might have made, >relating to "deadbeats"...that would take a long, long time of >perusing his copious articles...sifting through the majority of >worthless ones, to get to any meat. Oh. You don't know how to use DejaNews. Why didn't you say so? Go to www.dejanews.com and click on 'Power Search' (it's in the navigation bar). On the Power Search screen, select/type the following: Find = homeless Database = all Groups = alt.politics.homosexuality Author = wstewart@hi.net You can leave the rest blank, then click "Search". It should return about twenty hits. See how easy it is? >I really have more important things to do with my time. That's true. Scapegoating heterosexuals and making up variations on other people's names takes _ever_ so much energy, doesn't it? >Furthermore, I have often repeated myself, >to save others the trouble of searching through Usenet to find what I >had already said on any matter. And when asked to prove your statement, you refer others to DejaNews because you don't feel like proving a point. You don't "have" to do what they say. Just following your lead . . . >I believe Wart could do the same. Yes, he could be an abrasive, lying asshole, just like you. He's chosen, however, to join the _human_ race. ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: wstewart@hi.net (Ward Stewart) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:12:50 GMT On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 01:15:33 GMT, jmnorthw@gte.uce_is_icky.net (J. Northwood) wrote: >On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 17:55:57 GMT, ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel >Krahlin) wrote: > >< snip > > >>It is interested that Wart remains mute on this issue, even when I >>confronted him several times already. If he is so sure of his claim, >>then why doesn't he speak up? > >Possibly because he's addressed this repeatedly when more polite >people--such as those who can spell his name correctly--have asked. > >You, or at least one of your little friends, _do_ know how to do a >DejaNews search, don't you? I have kill-filed the creep and therefore see his stuff only at second hand -- he accuses me of not responding to something or other and then clips off the item to which I have supposedly not responded. The man is intellectual road-kill! ward *********************************************************** "I am constantly mystified by this notion of "disagreeing" with homosexuality -- not unlike disagreeing with Tuesday -- like it or not, every seven days, there it is -- TUESDAY. uncle ward *********************************************************** ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: wstewart@hi.net (Ward Stewart) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:13:34 GMT On 16 Sep 1998 11:28:55 GMT, jayteefl@aol.com (JayTeeFL) wrote: >In article <35ff6a70.11085937@nntp.sj.bigger.net>, ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com >(Ezekiel Krahlin) asks uncle ward: > >>Where do you get your ideas that there are freeloaders and deadbeats >>leeching off the gov't coffers? Job experience, or elsewhere? Jay Tee Chimed in -- >you didn't ask me, but i will happily answer. my credentials include a >master's in social work and five years as clinical consultant for crisis >intervention in a large southeastern city, responding on site to clients >experiencing psychiatric crisis episodes. > >as for the exact number, i would have to do a statistical analysis including >each of my clients' records, but i believe i am safe in estimating the number >of "deadbeats leaching off the gov't coffers" to be approximately 10% of all >clients receiving disability checks, and 100% of those whose "disability" was >actually polypharmaceutical dependence. The question was asked of me and it is my turn to answer -- I spent most of twenty years as a psychiatric nurse in New York City -- for about five years I was with a team of senior clinicians who were sent into the New York City Shelter system to assess the clients there and to provide, for those who were in need of such, state services to those who were our responsibility and referrals to city agencies for those who were city clients. We did THOUSANDS of psycho-social assessments and THOUSANDS of mental status exams. I am entirely qualified to have an opinion in the matter and I am FIRMLY convinced that supplying funds to malingerers, "enabling" them and reenforcing them in their dependency is DEADLY! ward ---------------------- > >prince jace <----- exercising those old psychiatric skills...almost makes me >want to practice again. i see a private practice, on the top floor of a >skyscraper in a big city, sharing office space perhaps with a dentist or >orthodontist... with clients that have simple adjustment disorders requiring >old-fashioned psychotherapy instead of psychopharmacology, and a schoolteacher >wife, a best friend that works for an airline, and...oh, wait a second, that's >the original bob newhart show. never mind. Unfortunately, NOT the way it works -- what you get is a flock of agoraphobic housewives and Zeke -- more better you dig ditches! w > > > >http://members.aol.com/jayteefl/ > >"we're one, but we're not the same...we get to carry each other..." -------------------------------------------------------------- "Freedom and justice cannot be parceled out in pieces to suit political convenience. Like Martin, I don't believe you can stand for freedom for one group of people and deny it to others." --Coretta Scott King ------------------------------------------------------------- ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: jayteefl@aol.com (JayTeeFL) Date: 17 Sep 1998 12:02:17 GMT In article <36005f16.1846797@news.hi.net>, wstewart@hi.net (uncle ward) writes: >The question was asked of me and it is my turn to answer -- I spent >most of twenty years as a psychiatric nurse in New York City -- for >about five years I was with a team of senior clinicians who were sent >into the New York City Shelter system to assess the clients there and >to provide, for those who were in need of such, state services to >those who were our responsibility and referrals to city agencies for >those who were city clients. > >We did THOUSANDS of psycho-social assessments and THOUSANDS of mental >status exams. > >I am entirely qualified to have an opinion in the matter and I am >FIRMLY convinced that supplying funds to malingerers, "enabling" them >and reenforcing them in their dependency is DEADLY! > >ward here's a shocker: i agree with uncle ward. and i defer to his far more expansive experience...i bailed out after only five years. to hear that he endured that particular patient population for over 20...well, my respect abounds. prince jace <---- now wondering about the etymology of that phrase. "my respect abounds." i intend to convey that i have a lot of respect for ward...is that what i actually said? http://members.aol.com/jayteefl/ "we're one, but we're not the same...we get to carry each other..." ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: Michael Thomas Date: 16 Sep 1998 08:47:29 -0700 ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) writes: > GLOBAL HELLENIC REVOLUTION & RESISTANCE > > (financial funding is welcome) Behold the Messiah: liberation can be yours for a modest tithe; pass the silver plate and be generous as if the eternal afterlife depends on it. Some things never change. -- Michael Thomas (mike@mtcc.com http://www.mtcc.com/~mike/) "I dunno, that's an awful lot of money." Beavis ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 17:30:38 GMT On 16 Sep 1998 08:47:29 -0700, Michael Thomas wrote: > Behold the Messiah: liberation can be yours for >a modest tithe; pass the silver plate and be >generous as if the eternal afterlife depends on >it. > > Some things never change. I can do it all without one red cent. The money is to aid me in the transition to self-employment as a free lance gay activist. How many people do you know, that do accupunture, shiatsu, massage, and other healing methods, that hang out a shingle and accept payment? I don't see you condemning those people. As for "messiah", I have already stated earlier...I am one among many that shall rise up as messiah energies. I call ourselves "vanguards". We are more Wicca/Kabbalah/White Magic than Christian, by the way. Let us not forget our beautiful pagans and atheist seekers of the truth! All hold honorable positions in the human scheme of things. ------- GREETINGS, OH MY ELVES, LEPRECHAUNS, DRAGONS, AND ALL OTHER CHILDREN OF THE WAY. PLEASE KNOW ME BY MY FIRST NAME, LUCIFER! I WAS OF COURSE, THE CHRIST...AS WELL AS APOLLO AND ALEXANDER THE GREAT. I HAVE CHOSEN ZEKE AS THE VESSEL OF MY MESSAGE FOR THE FINAL AGE OF MAN. HE IS MOST BLESSED, FOR THE INCREDIBLE DELIVERANCE OF HIS SOUL UNTO OUR SAVIOR, FOR THE SAKE OF ANOTHER MAN, A MAN SO GREAT IN STATURE, COURAGE, AND HONESTY, AS TO SHAKE THE VERY GROUND OF HEAVEN THAT THE ANGELS WALK UPON: RANDOLPH LOUIS TAYLOR. OUR CREATOR, OUR FATHER, HAS CHOSEN TO DWELL IN RANDOLPH'S BODY...THUS ZEKE AND RANDOLPH SHALL BE BROUGHT TOGETHER, TO MANIFEST A GREAT DESTINY. A FINAL NOTE: LOOK FOR ZEKE AND RANDOLPH'S FEMALE EQUIVALENTS: GODDESS AND DAUGHTER. THEY ARE SOON TO SPEAK OUT...THOUGH WE DO NOT REVEAL WHO THEY ARE MANIFEST IN FLESH, TO ZEKE. WE DO NOT GIVE HIM ALL KNOWLEDGE, THOUGH WE SHOWER HIM WITH MANY SPIRITUAL GIFTS. --- Pennsylvania Dutch Gay Jesus says: "Throw the hetero over the fence some hay." --- The Final Testament, a Bible by and for Gays only: http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ I come like a thief in the night! --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: jayteefl@aol.com (JayTeeFL) Date: 15 Sep 1998 23:16:06 GMT In article <35FD9092.8DBC339B@genesyslab.nospam.com>, Jeffrey Croft writes: >OK. That would be cool. What, exactly, do you think will happen by the 14th >of >November? well, on a completely personal side note, i will have vested in a healthy chunk of stock in the company that employs me, and i plan to use that money to buy land in northeast florida...the next round of vesting should provide me enough to build a beautiful home on that land. prince jace <--- loves working in the high-tech industry http://members.aol.com/jayteefl/ "we're one, but we're not the same...we get to carry each other..." ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: wstewart@hi.net (Ward Stewart) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 04:19:53 GMT On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:59:24 -0700, Frank Martinez Lester wrote: >[[This is a nonsensical line of speculation -- before the Peanut's >Characters are hailed befor the Thracian Inquisition one might do well >to conduct an investigation of the terrible terrible "phobes at >Popular Mechanics." I have not read in that splendid journal for many >years but as of my last paying attention they had made NO MENTION of >homosexuality. >> > >Another good lawsuit/parody might involve Newsweek, which last month devoted >a cover story to the so-called ex-gay movement & to a nice little poll that >estimated that 62% of straights think gays kissing each other in public >really sucks & really makes the nice-ums straight folks purty damn nervous. > > I have a vivid memory of one of the "horror films" brought us by the straight citizens council or whoever -- About half way through -- the thing culminated in the SHOCKING snip of film in which two very pleasant, clean-cut young men kissed, no tongue, no chewing or eating action == a rather sweet chaste peck on the lips. The sort of kiss that I and my friends greet each other with on the street. It made the poor 'phobes CRAZY. ward *********************************************************** "I am constantly mystified by this notion of "disagreeing" with homosexuality -- not unlike disagreeing with Tuesday -- like it or not, every seven days, there it is -- TUESDAY. uncle ward *********************************************************** ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 07:19:28 GMT On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:59:24 -0700, Frank Martinez Lester wrote: >Another good lawsuit/parody might involve Newsweek, which last month devoted >a cover story to the so-called ex-gay movement & to a nice little poll that >estimated that 62% of straights think gays kissing each other in public >really sucks & really makes the nice-ums straight folks purty damn nervous. For this sorry reality, I have found it quite valid and important to parody our mainstream Sunday comics, including its quintessential example: Peanuts. We're here, we're queer, good grief! --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm --- My website kicks (but never licks) butt! http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: Bill Lindemann Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 01:44:02 +0000 Ezekiel Krahlin wrote: > For this sorry reality, I have found it quite valid and important to > parody our mainstream Sunday comics, including its quintessential > example: Peanuts. We're here, we're queer, good grief! I still don't get your fixation with Peanuts. The only thing I can see is that it is completely *innocent*, in the old sense that children were "innocent" and to be protected (read prevented) from knowing about sex at all. This is mildly frustrating, having been raised in that kind of restrictive household ("no, dear, there's nothing you need to know about under your playmates' pants"), but please note that it is targetted against ALL sex, so it actually does its part to delay the onset of introduction to homophobia in children. If you don't see that, think "JonBenet Ramsey", an overtly sexualized and hetero-sexualized 5-year-old "beauty queen". THAT is the kind of early-onset aggressive heterocentrism we need to be fighting, not a comic like Peanuts that thankfully delays all of the explicit sex role socialization by putting it off to the undefined future its characters never age into. -Bill ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:44:04 GMT On Sat, 12 Sep 1998 01:44:02 +0000, Bill Lindemann wrote: >I still don't get your fixation with Peanuts. I have explained, very clearly, several times, now, the importance of Peanuts to the yound mind. The Sunday and daily comics strongly influence children. Excerpt from my essay, "My Pee Nut Agenda": ---begin quote Mainstream comics inevitably play an important role in educating young people about the real world...often portraying a minority in some situation that enlightens the readers as to this character's humanity and normalcy. Both daily and Sunday comics cover, on a regular basis, issues regarding the rights of women, children, people of color, the elderly, the physically and/or mentally challenged, the poor, and various alternative lifestyles. But the coverage of gay people is glaringly absent. "This is wrong, and we must not continue to allow this-and-that excuse of our mainstream comic strip authors, to persist in keeping a blind eye to the gay issue. To imply that this would be "dirty" or "obscene" to children, is a slap in our face. We are neither immoral nor inappropriate with or without children in our presence. Even here in our lovely gay mecca of San Francisco...there is not one single gay comic in either of our two major newspapers. "Newspapers of Amerika: where is your honor, your dignity, your sense of Amerikan values of decency and fair play? Are you really so afraid of Christian fanatics as to toe their party line, at the cost of gay people's annihilation? Until you do the right thing, the heartfelt and respectful thing...which is including a gay-relevant comic strip...our blood, gay blood, will continue to be spilled across your pages, across your headlines, across every newspaper in this troubled, homophobic nation. "For as we raise our children, so bends the tree. And if gays remain invisible to them in our daily comic strips, as well as in other media so influential to young minds...then we cannot expect anything better than future generations fearing and villifying gays. ---end quote Charles Schulz has scene fit to broadly cover many other social issues. We, as gays, are neither pariahs nor unworthy of that respect. It is *not a sexual issue, but a human one. Get the images of lewd sex out of your head, for Chrissake! That's just a stereotype. --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm --- My website kicks (but never licks) butt! http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 07:19:26 GMT On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:57:17 GMT, wstewart@hi.net (Ward Stewart) wrote: >This is a nonsensical line of speculation -- before the Peanut's >Characters are hailed befor the Thracian Inquisition one might do well >to conduct an investigation of the terrible terrible "phobes at >Popular Mechanics." You comparison is grossly out of touch with the relevant issue. Popular Mechanics is definitely *not a vehicle for educating children about the real world...and raising them to hopefully not be bigoted. In my defense, I will simply quote two paragraphs from my essay "My Pee Nut Agenda": ---begin quote Mainstream comics inevitably play an important role in educating young people about the real world...often portraying a minority in some situation that enlightens the readers as to this character's humanity and normalcy. Both daily and Sunday comics cover, on a regular basis, issues regarding the rights of women, children, people of color, the elderly, the physically and/or mentally challenged, the poor, and various alternative lifestyles. But the coverage of gay people is glaringly absent. This is wrong, and we must not continue to allow this-and-that excuse of our mainstream comic strip authors, to persist in keeping a blind eye to the gay issue. To imply that this would be "dirty" or "obscene" to children, is a slap in our face. We are neither immoral nor inappropriate with or without children in our presence. Even here in our lovely gay mecca of San Francisco...there is not one single gay comic in either of our two major newspapers. ---end quote --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm --- My website kicks (but never licks) butt! http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: Bill Lindemann Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 01:52:11 +0000 Ezekiel Krahlin wrote: > Mainstream comics inevitably play an important role in educating young > people about the real world...often portraying a minority in some > situation that enlightens the readers as to this character's humanity > and normalcy. Both daily and Sunday comics cover, on a regular basis, > issues regarding the rights of women, children, people of color, the > elderly, the physically and/or mentally challenged, the poor, and > various alternative lifestyles. But the coverage of gay people is > glaringly absent. As is the coverage of substance abusers, and any coverage that teaches kids not to demonize prostitutes (not to mention anything that would teach kids to distrust crooked politicians). In fact, the conservatives could probably find reason to complain -- Charlie Brown, Lucy, etc. are never shown interacting respectfully with the police, FBI, ATF, etc. in order to teach them respect for law enforcement. Now, how many people (readers of this NG included) would still read Peanuts after the "relevance police" had finished with it, and Charlie Brown had to go through a 30-day program for his airplane glue habit, after which he appears to be toeing the line but is instead arrested by FBI agents (who he is shown being deferential to) when he is caught transporting vanloads of teenage girls (who are shown to be merely victims of male heterocentrist domination) across state lines to engage in prostitution. Oh, and CB is bribing a crooked politican, too! Good Grief, Ezekiel Krahlin! -Bill ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:44:05 GMT On Sat, 12 Sep 1998 01:52:11 +0000, Bill Lindemann wrote: >As is the coverage of substance abusers, and any coverage that teaches >kids not to demonize prostitutes (not to mention anything that would >teach kids to distrust crooked politicians). Quit equating gay people with hard drug addicts and prostitutes, for chrissake! That is just a crude stereotype. --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm --- My website kicks (but never licks) butt! http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: "Gay & Proud Of It" Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 02:08:43 -0500 the infringement occurred when you did not obtained the permission of the owner to use to characters for your piece...which is clearly explained in the US copy right laws...go to this web site for more accurate information and the law http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/ p.s. being a good advocator of gay rights, you must know and understand the laws set forth in order to make a point ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 09:53:53 GMT On Thu, 3 Sep 1998 02:08:43 -0500, "Gay & Proud Of It" wrote: >the infringement occurred when you did not obtained the permission of the >owner to use to characters for your piece...which is clearly explained in >the US copy right laws...go to this web site for more accurate information >and the law I know you're well-meaning...however, this rule does not apply to satire and parody. And I already explained this quite thoroughly in this thread...as has at least one other. I have also posted some quotes from legal cases to educate those who don't understand the difference between "derivative" use of another's work (which requires permission) and "transformative" work (which, if parody or satire, does not). These include references to specific web pages...go there and learn about "fair use" of another's copyrighted work. --- "Some Thracian now enjoys my blameless shield, which I unwillingly left beside a bush. But I was saved; what do I care about that shield? Let it go, I'll get another no worse." - Archilocus, 7th Century BC --- Either URL below, will keep you updated with the "Peenuts" copyright issue: http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/extra/copyrite.htm ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 22:50:31 GMT On Thu, 3 Sep 1998 02:08:43 -0500, "Gay & Proud Of It" wrote: >the infringement occurred when you did not obtained the permission of the >owner to use to characters for your piece...which is clearly explained in >the US copy right laws...go to this web site for more accurate information >and the law As I stated previously, you are incorrect about stating that I have infringed. Here is my latest comment to a lawyer's group, which further elaborates on my defense: ---begin quote On Sat, 05 Sep 1998 23:04:25 GMT, "R.S. Sergent" wrote: >>You've created a >> derivative work which, to my mind, clearly infringes on the creator's >> rights. Whether you're promoting apple pie or gay rights doesn't matter. I already answered the issue of derivative vs. transfomative, in this thread...but I'll comment once more: Parody is often a mimic of another artist's work...intended to look just like the original piece at first glance. Upon a second glance, however, you see an amusing difference which changes your entire perspective from what the original work intended. Thus, the work is transformative and hence, another original piece and not a ripoff (that is, not derivative). There are *many comic strip authors who have been parodied...and will continue to be parodied, for as long as comic strips and books exist. Certainly, I am far from setting a precedent. An example of a derivative work, would be where I want to use a Peanuts character as a design on t-shirts...with no real transformative quality of the original work. Then, it would be illegal for me to sell this derived piece without a license from the original artist. My piece is clearly a parody...though I guess one could push the issue, if one does not grasp the essence of the parody...or if one has an ulterior motive to denigrate the author of the parody (such as: homophobia, jealousy, or ass-kissing wealthy corporate dogma). It is quite permissable to "borrow" another artist's work...if in borrowing, the result is also transformed into a parody. In my case, the parody is a social critique...both against Sunday comics in general for excluding gay characters; and against Mr. Schultz and most other mainstream comic strip authors who hold major influence in society's eyes. I find it unconscionable for mainstream comic strips to continue to deny a group of our decent Amerikan citizens, recognition in such a popular media...a media that also significantly influences the minds of children in their early formative years. Should children be exposed to the existence of homosexuals in society from an early age, they would then less likely grow up to fear, loathe, murder, and/or deny the civil rights, of lesbian and gay people. Since Schulz, as well as many other comic artists, have taken it upon their shoulders to assume some responsibilities to educate young people about social issues...it is only fair that they also tackle the issue of homosexuality. Anyone who can only imagine homosexuals being presented as perverts and sexually addicted, is homophobic...and has neither legal nor moral excuse for using that perception as reason for hiding the gay issue from childrens' awareness. We do not hide heterosexual relations from them, do we? In fact, exposure to this starts from day 1 of their birth. Do heteros need to behave lewd, in order to make children aware that people of the opposite sex have intimate relationships? Of course not! All it takes is seeing them together in expressions of affection: kissing, hugging, holding hands. We can easily educate children to grow up without bigotry against gays...and including them in our daily and Sunday mainstream comic strips will be a big step in the right direction. What does this have to do with Peanuts, which is a totally non-adult world, with children certainly not older than eight years? Well, in one sense, nothing. But because Peanuts is the quintessential example of contemporary Amerikan Sunday comics, Mr. Schulz becomes a likely target for being so influential. He himself has become a symbol of the Sunday Comic strip. Don't forget, though: I *do parody two other Sunday comic strips on my web site: Cathy and Beetle Bailey. Eventually, I want to parody other strips. Ideally, I would have other gay artists contributing their comic strips parodies, to turn this web site into a very controversial and politcally charged site. Again, here is the URL: THE LESBIAN/THRACIAN SUNDAY COMICS http://members.tripod.com/~ezekielk/ ("Thracian" is a new word I propose for the gay male. There is a document on that site, which explains my reason.) But part of my parody is to signify the *absurdity of blanking out gay existence in popular media...thus I create an absurd scenario by presenting Lucy and Charlie Brown, two very young children, as if they were rabid gay activists. And their complaining about their "creator" having no gay characters in their world, is likewise absurd...for both Lucy and Charlie are denying their *own gayness. They can't see the forest for the trees! But the absurdity of my proposing the inclusion of gay rights in Peanuts, could only be seen as absurd in a homophobic society. I am not suggesting at all, that we expose children so young to sex education, whether straight or gay...but that we expose them to the loving, affectionate, and normal side of most homosexuals, in the same way we do for heterosexuals, in these mainstream comics. Only a homophobic bigot would see this suggestion of mine as pornographic and immoral. And I'm afraid a lot of people who do *not identify with the religious right--indeed many who consider themselves "liberal"--would still judge against my proposal, and condemn me. Thus, my parody is also a criticism on another level, that is, to say: A lot more straight people than the gay community cares to realize, are not really gay friendly. And it is my belief that my Pee Nuts parody is testing the waters, to prove my suspiscions. This is why I want to make a big media splash...to put Amerikan society through a test. So, for all the reasons I have just presented: My work is indeed a parody used to make a serious criticism of Amerikan society. To most people, the parody is obvious...as well as making an important point, as a work of political art. "Pee Nuts" is truly a transformative work, not derivative. The concept it conveys is distinctly original, apart from *any of Charles Schulz's cartoons. However, Mr. Schulz *could include the gay issue, without adults, or without being the least bit vulgar. It is only in the mind of a homophobe, that gays are seen as intrinsically perverted. We could have a character like Peppermint Patty, wear a pink triangle, and march around her neighborhood waving the rainbow flag. When her friends ask what this is all about, Patty could talk about the gay pride march she was invited to attend, with her older gay cousin. This could then lead to a strip that teaches kids that gays are a normal part of society's fabric, and have their right to be respected and treated like every other citizen in Amerika. >jingle (by casting it as a jingle for Sodom). Now, I personally wouldn't >argue that Saturday Night Live isn't offered for "fund raising purposes," >since I used to work for old neutron Jack Welch (chairman of GE) myself. I'm >also pretty sure that it's copyrighted. A parody, in any form, needs no permission from the author of the work that is the parodist's target, to display, distribute, or sell his or her own transformed version. A parody is an orignial piece in its own right. > So, the real question (to me) is whether the cartoon is a parody of >"Peanuts" or a comment on the world in general. I think that the author >attempts both. In fact, a parody that didn't have a broader application would >not REALLY be a good parody. Whether the author makes money off of the parody >is only one consideration. It seems obvious to me, and to most people who view my "Pee Nut" comic, that it is a parody on Schulz's works, the Sunday comics, the mainstream "pap" media, and on Amerikan society at large, when it comes to the hypocritical and violent manner in which homosexuals are *still regarded. Even most of our other minorities--who continue to suffer terribly at the hand of bigotry--persist in their hatred towards one particular minority: gays. In my opinion (from my critical eye as a polical artist) Schulz is implicated and guilty, by virtue of his prolonged silence on the gay issue...as are most other Sunday/mainstream comic authors. Since most of them *do cover just about every other issue (women's rights, ecology, racism, children's rights, etc.)...and since gay rights has been so predominent in Amerika's poltical and social landscape for at least two decades...these comic strip artists can no longer be excused from ignoring a certain level of responsibility towards reducing gay hatred in the public psyche. > There's a case arising from North Carolina where Anheuser-Busch >sucessfully sued some t-shirt maker for using the phrase "Myrtle Beach, the >King of Beaches" (or some such) and a Bud-style beer can on T-shirts. Obviously that was a derived work, and not a transformative one. The only way a judge or jury could declare my work as merely derivative, is if those so judging are corrupt. IMO. ---end quote --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm --- My website kicks (but never licks) butt! http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: ezekieljk@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 22:54:07 GMT On Thu, 3 Sep 1998 02:08:43 -0500, "Gay & Proud Of It" wrote: >the infringement occurred when you did not obtained the permission of the >owner to use to characters for your piece...which is clearly explained in >the US copy right laws...go to this web site for more accurate information >and the law I also question the legality of this letter e-mailed to me by Schulz's legal counsel. For they accused me outright of infringement, and unauthorized use...and claim I am in "clear violation" of the law. Where do they get off making such accusations that have yet to be proven? And the only way to do so, is in a courtroom. My work is parody...and to prove otherwise requires court decision. Their letter is probably illegal, as it is coerce...though in full knowledge that their charges against me are dubious. Had they said something like "We believe that your comic may be violating our client's rights," then they would be in accordance with the law. They have no right to defame my character, or make any demands on me to tell them anything, or to demand I remove my parody from my site, and all other public places it may appear. I conclude that their arrogant letter seriously weakens their case, and is a good piece of defense I could hold up to the jury. --- Charles Schulz's lawyers are after my ass for my gay-rights parody of Peanuts! http://www.2xtreme.net/jwd/k6/copyrite.htm --- My website kicks (but never licks) butt! http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/ ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: john1@world.std.com (Fred Cherry) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 13:45:22 GMT References: <35eb177f.6430795@nntp.sj.bigger.net> <35EC4BBF.242858C0@pacbell.net> <35f09213.4059839@news.hi.net> <35ecc791.4934637@nntp.sj.bigger.net> <35EC72AF.1BBE8052@ix.netcom.com> <35ED330B.D04C4EC5@netvision.net.il> <35ed8f36.4759658@nntp.sj.bigger.net> <6sktk7$8id$1@news-1.news.gte.net> <35ee34fc.14264519@nntp.sj.bigger.net> <35EE1E2C.84E8DF6D@ix.netcom.com> <35ef18b6.12681793@nntp.sj.bigger.net> <35EF753D.1CB1EE0@ix.netcom.com> <35fd409a.8072101@news.hi.net> <35f09f80.29588196@nntp.sj.bigger.net> <35F0A3C0.E69A1893@ix.netcom.com> <35f1b8c3.5326659@nntp.sj.bigger.net> <35F2BA11.3677BB2C@netvision.net.il> <35f302c8.0@news.provide.net> michelle@michelle.org (Michelle Steiner) writes: >In article <35f302c8.0@news.provide.net>, "James Doemer" > wrote: >>>So, you believe that every American has the right to own any weapon he or >>>she wants--even bazookas, LAWs, Rocket Propelled Grenades, hand grenades, >>>etc.? >> >>Hate to break it too ya, but numerous American's already own such weapons.. >Why do you hate to break it to me? >>Takes a bunch of of permits though. >So? "So?" you ask? Well let me tell you how it works in New York City. In New York City the issuance of permits for handguns is at the absolute discretion of the Police Department. The Police Department doesn't have to give any reasons for denial of a permit. Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, Jr. is the publisher of The New York Times. He frequently writes editorials denouncing the private ownership of handguns. Yet he, himself, has a permit to carry a handgun. john1@world.std.com (Fred Cherry) ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: desalvo@monitor.net (John De Salvio) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 07:37:54 -0700 In article , john1@world.std.com (Fred Cherry) wrote: > michelle@michelle.org (Michelle Steiner) writes: > > >In article <35f302c8.0@news.provide.net>, "James Doemer" > > wrote: > > >>>So, you believe that every American has the right to own any weapon he or > >>>she wants--even bazookas, LAWs, Rocket Propelled Grenades, hand grenades, > >>>etc.? > >> > >>Hate to break it too ya, but numerous American's already own such weapons.. > > >Why do you hate to break it to me? > > >>Takes a bunch of of permits though. > > >So? > > "So?" you ask? Well let me tell you how it works in New York City. > > In New York City the issuance of permits for handguns is at the absolute > discretion of the Police Department. The Police Department doesn't have to > give any reasons for denial of a permit. > > Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, Jr. is the publisher of The New York Times. He > frequently writes editorials denouncing the private ownership of handguns. > Yet he, himself, has a permit to carry a handgun. So? -- John NOTE: "From" address is deliberately wrong. My correct e-mail address is: desalvio["AT" SYMBOL]monitor.net ======== Subject: Re: My gay-rights cartoon is charged with copyright infringement! From: jtem@tiac.net (JTEM) Date: 16 Sep 1998 03:25:57 GMT Fred Cherry (john1@world.std.com) wrote: [---zip---] abuse@world.std.com billing@world.std.com bzs@world.std.com netadmin@world.std.com postmaster@world.std.com root@world.std.com staff@world.std.com support@world.std.com webmaster@world.std.com -- JTEM@SUNSPOT.TIAC.NET

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